I apologize if someone's already said this, but I don't have time to read all 5 pages of comments and I feel like it needs to be said, even if ends up on the 6th page of comments no one is going to read. "Compare your lives to mine and kill yourselves." Most people on this site probably already know this is a quote from Futurama and probably also know the context. It was not about Bender encouraging his friends to commit suicide, it was about Bender bragging about how great his life is. Given the rest of Fish's statement that context fits here too. Yes his statement as a whole is still immature but everyone seems to be focusing on the 'kill yourself' part like we're all soul-less robots who can't accept anything but a literal interpretation of text.
Update: Fez Dev Tells Media Member To Kill Himself
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Pfff hahahahahaha.Steven Bogos said:
Oh Jesus, this guy is like one of those assholes on Deviant Art who cry when somebody tells them their art looks like crap. The victim complex is strong in this one.
Well that escalated quickly. Also...
...yes, I'd like to play the "Bullshit!" card. You say stupid things like this and people are going to call you out on it HARD. And this is coming from ME of all people.Steven Bogos said:
Though I agree a large portion of the gaming community is fucking vile (hence the hordes of 'Nothing of value is lost' comments), I fail to see why Fish couldn't have culled the flow of hatred, like opting out of Twitter, if he wanted to cut down of the vast amounts of abuse he was getting (and possibly prevent him from saying something inflammatory on a whim).Dr Pussymagnet said:Fuck Marcus Beer, fuck this clickbait headline, and fuck Gamers for celebrating the fact that someone was so jaded by our shitty awful community that it made him quit.
I give him credit for sticking it out this long though, since being under constant scrutiny from the gaming community of all places would drive me fucking insane.
Normally I'd agree that it's messed up to have to give up something you love just because it's mostly populated by assholes (I am personally preemptively keeping the fuck away from Call of Duty, simply because of the awful community it's known for), but from what I understand, he was happy to dish it out as much as he took it, even without provocation.
By the way captcha, stop trying to advertise obscure brand names without any fucking clue what as to they actually sell. I have no idea what the fuck 'Unilever' is, nor do I have any interest in looking it up.
I find it hard to pick a side on this issue. On the one hand Fish has point that the current video game community is too full of obnoxious assholes (or that they are the most vocal part of our community despite being a minority) and that such abuse can often be too much for a single person to take. I have seen a fair share of people who were once devoted gamers swear off gaming because they couldn't stand the abuse. It's basically just like what happened to that poor girl from the Cross Assault debacle. On the other hand his handling of the situation was completely inappropriate. The "go kill yourself" remark is one thing. Completely cancelling a game many fans are probably anticipating is rude and basically amounts to raising a giant middle finger at all gamers, good or bad. If he could at least have the decency to hand off the project to someone else then he probably wouldn't look like a such a whiny baby. I also have a feeling that with business' of today checking people's social media interactions when reviewing someone for a job this whole debacle may end up coming back to bite him in the ass.
"To be clear, I'm not cancelling Fez II because some boorish fuck said something stupid, I'm doing it to get out of games. And I'm getting out of games because I choose not to put up with this abuse anymore."
So, then, exactly because of something someone said over Twitter.
So, then, exactly because of something someone said over Twitter.
I never liked this asshole, he has always been an unbelievable dickhead to anyone that gives him even a little bit of criticize, to telling people to suck and choke on his dick to this, i dont care if he was quoting a tv show or not, its a joke in bad taste, tosh.0 makes a lot of terrible jokes, does not mean im going to go quoting him, because not everyone is going to know what the hell im talking about.
im quite happy he is not making games anymore, the medium is better without this jerk.
im quite happy he is not making games anymore, the medium is better without this jerk.
Oh my, it saddens me to see the greatest man in the games industry leaving like this.
Part of me still thinks he will be back in less than a week, though.
Part of me still thinks he will be back in less than a week, though.
Got the Collector's Edition pre-ordered and paid off. Now just to wait for the release date. I expect good things.NiPah said:
On Topic: I understand that getting criticized and insulted can do a good deal of damage to one's self esteem and mentality but at the same time Phil Fish went way out of line with this. I also saw some of the other things he has said on Twitter too and I honestly have no sympathy for this man.
When you're watched and judged continually you need to keep your composure at all times otherwise something like this can happen.
If Twitter is where most of the insults are coming from, logically the best choice would be to get off of Twitter. Plus, canceling the development of Fez II is nothing but a slap in the face to fans of Fez and people looking forward to Fez II.
Look, Phil is far from a pure hearted game designer. The guy insulted a Japanese developer, in public, at GDC last year. He now gets called a "tosspot" for rudely refusing a simple response to Gameinformer about Xboxone. And now he leaves gaming for getting flack for his attitude? When has a gaming company never gotten flack? Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA, Activision, Blizzard, etc. All get flack when they do or say something stupid. Phil Fish is not special enough not to get flack for doing something stupid. Now he Divas out of the gaming industry and we are supposed to feel sorry for him? F' that!
No one made him quit, he chose to quit. He could have just as easily stopped using his Twitter account and continue to develop his game but instead he decides to quit over something that could have been easily avoided if he had kept his cool. Yeah, it sucks getting insulted and criticized all the time but if someone can't take the heat they need to stay out of the kitchen.Dr Pussymagnet said:Fuck Marcus Beer, fuck this clickbait headline, and fuck Gamers for celebrating the fact that someone was so jaded by our shitty awful community that it made him quit.
I give him credit for sticking it out this long though, since being under constant scrutiny from the gaming community of all places would drive me fucking insane.
The way I see it Mr. Fish is being extremely immature, yeah people are assholes but that's what happens when your in the public eye. Also there's an old saying about treating others the way you would like to be treated, so instead of being an ass to everyone he came in contact with he could have decided to treat other people with a grain of respect and then people might not have bullied him into making him act like a fucking five year old. I wish I didn't support this asshole by buying Fez last week during the Steam sale but I know I will try to have anyone I know not support him either.
Yes. So much yes.Zachary Amaranth said:
it is indeed a pattern, and an enjoyable one. Yes people lose their jobs, and yes that is terrible, but guess what else is terrible? Not taking to heart the lesson our mums taught us when we were young, think before you say something stupid. These guys don't know how to act (or don't care in Fish's case) in a new media public space, they have no business being there.
I'll agree here too. You know, its like the stand up comedian who gets heckled, but doesn't know how to handle it. Most comedians would do one of two things. 1) Have security throw the guy/girl out 2) Have security throw the guy/girl out but take the heckling in stride and make the heckler the butt of a joke. Weave it into the act and keep the audience engaged. Fish would jump off the stage and stop the entire show just to personally argue with the guy, making everything awkward for everyone. It's what he's done on twitter for the past several months I've been occasionally visiting his twitter feed, because its been so humorous.
I'm sorry that you suffered from depression, but you are correct in that it doesn't give you free license to be a dick. I've been around people A LOT in my life who suffer from depression or some sort of disorder like bipolar. From seeing his tweets, to reading stuff like this, to even observing his mannerisms I figured there was something wrong
Often being a dick is a form of coping when under stress or depression. I actually think that is the whole reason behind his infamous, "Games from Japan just suck!" or whatever the comment was.
edit: ^^^ but that is no excuse.
It's really more the context of how he is using the quote. Telling someone to kill themselves either through their own mouth or a quote from a show is still telling someone to kill themselves. The way it is being used seems like he is telling Marcus Beer to kill himself. If Fish didn't mean it that way and instead another way he needs to say so.Doomsdaylee said:
I have said somethings on the internet in jest but other people have taken it a different way so I had to tell them that I meant it in a different way.
I am sure there have been plenty of people throughout history that have had their works dragged through the dirt yet decided to persevere and not give up. I am working on a book at the moment and I know that when it gets released not everyone will like it and that I will get criticized and insulted for it. Even when that happens I am not going to give up. I am going to keep writing no matter what anyone says.
I said this earlier in this thread, and I'm going to say it again because some people don't seem to grasp it.
It does not matter one iota that what Fish said was a Futurama quote. Just because it was a quote doesn't mean he was just kidding or trying to be funny.
If I were ever in a situation where I could say to someone "How about I point out that we've never actually been friends, and instead laugh at your well deserved misfortune?"
It doesn't make it okay just because I'm quoting from Community. It doesn't automatically mean I don't actually mean what I'm saying.
Now admittedly maybe Fish was just saying it as a joke. It doesn't surprise me at all that he'd be a Futurama fan. But since A. He didn't address that he was quoting (something he could have easily brought up at anytime) and B. Cancelled his game and is apparently quitting the industry, I'm not going to give him the benefit of that assumption. I'm going to assume he meant what he said, and that Bender quote was just a good way to say it.
I can certainly sympathize with the guy to a certain extent. Gamers coupled with the internet can be a pretty ruthless combo. I'm sure he's read enough e-mails and tweets insulting his work and himself that would probably get to just about any of us. But that's a risk you take when you get into this industry.
Like the old adage goes, if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. There were a lot of ways he could have handled his criticism with good faith and humor rather than lashing out at fans and critics alike, and he basically chose not to. Reggie from Nintendo gets constantly made fun of. He's literally a joke on the internet. What did he do? He basically turned the joke into his own catch phrase, and now he's in on the joke. He laughs with us as we basically laugh at him.
John Layman from Chew (a comic series) on the back of each trade, he always puts 3 nice things critics have said and one negative quote. He carries on and tells the story he wants to tell, well aware of the negative criticism and even embracing it.
If Fish was really passionate about making games and it was what he really really wanted to do, then nothing fans, critics, or even random internet haters say should be able to deter him. But they did, and that's his choice. I may not like Fish, but I respect the choice he made.
It does not matter one iota that what Fish said was a Futurama quote. Just because it was a quote doesn't mean he was just kidding or trying to be funny.
If I were ever in a situation where I could say to someone "How about I point out that we've never actually been friends, and instead laugh at your well deserved misfortune?"
It doesn't make it okay just because I'm quoting from Community. It doesn't automatically mean I don't actually mean what I'm saying.
Now admittedly maybe Fish was just saying it as a joke. It doesn't surprise me at all that he'd be a Futurama fan. But since A. He didn't address that he was quoting (something he could have easily brought up at anytime) and B. Cancelled his game and is apparently quitting the industry, I'm not going to give him the benefit of that assumption. I'm going to assume he meant what he said, and that Bender quote was just a good way to say it.
I can certainly sympathize with the guy to a certain extent. Gamers coupled with the internet can be a pretty ruthless combo. I'm sure he's read enough e-mails and tweets insulting his work and himself that would probably get to just about any of us. But that's a risk you take when you get into this industry.
Like the old adage goes, if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. There were a lot of ways he could have handled his criticism with good faith and humor rather than lashing out at fans and critics alike, and he basically chose not to. Reggie from Nintendo gets constantly made fun of. He's literally a joke on the internet. What did he do? He basically turned the joke into his own catch phrase, and now he's in on the joke. He laughs with us as we basically laugh at him.
John Layman from Chew (a comic series) on the back of each trade, he always puts 3 nice things critics have said and one negative quote. He carries on and tells the story he wants to tell, well aware of the negative criticism and even embracing it.
If Fish was really passionate about making games and it was what he really really wanted to do, then nothing fans, critics, or even random internet haters say should be able to deter him. But they did, and that's his choice. I may not like Fish, but I respect the choice he made.