[UPDATE] Rumor: Wachowskis Preparing Two More Matrix Sequels

[aaronmcc]

Reeves seems excited about the possibility...

I can only picture his expression...
Wait, I don't have to. Here it is.

Woah.

 

[Con Carne]

Maybe if they rebooted the franchise, picking up where the first one left off......it may be worth it.

 

[icame]

Oh god...this is gonna suck

 

[aaronmcc]

I see alot of people saying that he already died. when he met with the programer he said the died seven times before that. It will be a new reincarnation of neo.

No, Neo did not die seven times before that. A person with the same kind of powers as Neo has came to be in each form of the Matrix, and was set upon a similar series of events to remove that person from the Matrix so that it could then be reset. Yes each person died, but that doesn't mean they were Neo. Neo was apparently special because of his love of Trinity. Out of all of those that became "The One" he is the only one that had a single person he was in love with. So each "One" is different.

If the new reincarnation of Neo was to appear, that should mean the Matrix was once again reset. Which would then leave huge gaps in what happened and would completely distance the new sequels from the originals, and basically would end up just being the first movie again.

I'm cautiously excited. I know I can trust Matrix movies to be cool, if not good.

Also concerning the whole "Neo died in the third movie" business, you might recall that he also died in the first one, and got better. Also he's basically the Jesus of the Matrix (he's even in crucifix-position towards the end if I recall) so he could reasonably resurrect just because he's the one.

The entire point of Neo's death in the third film was to ensure the destruction of Agent Smith. In order to rid the Matrix of Smith, Neo had to die. If Neo resurrects, then Smith, or some other super powerful agent, has to rise with him.

Did he die? I don't remember that. He was carried off by the machines after defeating Smith. I always though it kind had a redeeming quality to it. Remember how Morpheus said there was once a man at the centre of everything who controlled the machines and he let the first humans out for them to build Zion? Isn't that the story coming full circle? Neo is now that man. That's what I always thought anyway.

 

[SonicWaffle]

No, Neo did not die seven times before that. A person with the same kind of powers as Neo has came to be in each form of the Matrix, and was set upon a similar series of events to remove that person from the Matrix so that it could then be reset. Yes each person died, but that doesn't mean they were Neo.

My understanding was that the One is, essentially, a glitch in the Matrix. A recurring pattern that causes the same sequence of events each time. The machines aren't sure how to compensate for it so they (on one level, ie Smith and the Agents) try to quash it whereas on a higher level (the Architect) they prepare for the cycle to begin again. Neo altered that by taking a third path, but how are we to know that what he did wasn't exactly the same thing all his predecessors did? For all we know, Neo himself could be a program insterted into a human body - we've seen it happen before, and it certainly fits with the cyclical theory, keeping the glitching program (and the human rebels) busy until the cycle burns itself out again.

If the new reincarnation of Neo was to appear, that should mean the Matrix was once again reset. Which would then leave huge gaps in what happened and would completely distance the new sequels from the originals, and basically would end up just being the first movie again.

This explanation assumes that Neo, at any point in the movie, actually left the Matrix. It's entirely possible that he did not, and that Zion was merely another level of the Matrix. Or that everything the Architect said was bullshit. Practically everything we know about the world (or worlds) that these movies are set in is learned from other characters, many of whom have good reason to lie, so we can't take a lot for granted. Also, remember that Neo uses his powers in the "real world", lending further weight to the layers-within-layers theory.

The entire point of Neo's death in the third film was to ensure the destruction of Agent Smith. In order to rid the Matrix of Smith, Neo had to die. If Neo resurrects, then Smith, or some other super powerful agent, has to rise with him.

Wasn't the whole point of his death to be a sacrafice so that there would be compromise?

Frankly, the whole premise is dumb as a box of rocks - what kind of intelligent human being would, if the machines approached them honestly and explained the situation (the world is a nuclear wasteland, but they have the option to stay in kung-fu fantasy land as long as the machines can use them for energy for the duration of their natural life) would say "I'll take the depressing post-apocalyptic hell, please!"? All the machines had to do was approach us honestly, and they'd have gotten more than enough recruits to power their city.

 

[zehydra]

I know it's the Matrix and he is the One and all but... didn't he die at the end of the 3rd film?

OR DID HE????
*dum dum duuuhhh*

 

[Assassin Xaero]

Well, they already ruined it after the first, and not sure what they could really do after the last in terms of sequels. I'd still probably see them eventually...

 

[ShadowsofHope]

Huh. I was actually fine with both the Matrix Reloaded and Matrix Revolutions, but.. another?

No thanks. Hell, they aren't even in the Matrix any longer. Revolutions was a decent tie-up as it is.

 

[necronmm]

Arrgh, they should focus on making the story interesting instead of "revolutionizing" the action genre.

But the first one did both without breaking a sweat, this franchise has huge potential.

Oh yeah I was talking specifically about the 2nd and 3rd. The 1st is my favorite action movie, everything is done well and it's self-contained (they hinted at a sequel, but it wasn't strictly necessary with the story presented).

I say the 2nd and 3rd don't count and were all a dream.

 

[Dirty Apple]

I can understand the dislike for 3, but I've always liked 2! I thought it was mind-bending-ly intelligent and fun. 3 can sit on a pointed stick, but leave poor 2 ALONE.

O.T Without a doubt I'd end up going to see this. I've always liked the universe the story takes place in, and I think there are still some stories to be told.

 

[Suicideking]

Did he die? I don't remember that. He was carried off by the machines after defeating Smith. I always though it kind had a redeeming quality to it. Remember how Morpheus said there was once a man at the centre of everything who controlled the machines and he let the first humans out for them to build Zion? Isn't that the story coming full circle? Neo is now that man. That's what I always thought anyway.

Yes, he did die. The Wachowskis even said so in a weird little bit in The Matrix: Path of Neo. They altered the ending of that game so it worked better for a video game scenario, stating that martyrdom was not a good way to end a video game.

No, Neo did not die seven times before that. A person with the same kind of powers as Neo has came to be in each form of the Matrix, and was set upon a similar series of events to remove that person from the Matrix so that it could then be reset. Yes each person died, but that doesn't mean they were Neo.

My understanding was that the One is, essentially, a glitch in the Matrix. A recurring pattern that causes the same sequence of events each time. The machines aren't sure how to compensate for it so they (on one level, ie Smith and the Agents) try to quash it whereas on a higher level (the Architect) they prepare for the cycle to begin again. Neo altered that by taking a third path, but how are we to know that what he did wasn't exactly the same thing all his predecessors did? For all we know, Neo himself could be a program insterted into a human body - we've seen it happen before, and it certainly fits with the cyclical theory, keeping the glitching program (and the human rebels) busy until the cycle burns itself out again.

If the new reincarnation of Neo was to appear, that should mean the Matrix was once again reset. Which would then leave huge gaps in what happened and would completely distance the new sequels from the originals, and basically would end up just being the first movie again.

This explanation assumes that Neo, at any point in the movie, actually left the Matrix. It's entirely possible that he did not, and that Zion was merely another level of the Matrix. Or that everything the Architect said was bullshit. Practically everything we know about the world (or worlds) that these movies are set in is learned from other characters, many of whom have good reason to lie, so we can't take a lot for granted. Also, remember that Neo uses his powers in the "real world", lending further weight to the layers-within-layers theory.

The entire point of Neo's death in the third film was to ensure the destruction of Agent Smith. In order to rid the Matrix of Smith, Neo had to die. If Neo resurrects, then Smith, or some other super powerful agent, has to rise with him.

Wasn't the whole point of his death to be a sacrafice so that there would be compromise?

Frankly, the whole premise is dumb as a box of rocks - what kind of intelligent human being would, if the machines approached them honestly and explained the situation (the world is a nuclear wasteland, but they have the option to stay in kung-fu fantasy land as long as the machines can use them for energy for the duration of their natural life) would say "I'll take the depressing post-apocalyptic hell, please!"? All the machines had to do was approach us honestly, and they'd have gotten more than enough recruits to power their city.

Those arguments are speculations later put in by the audience. From all that the Wachowskis have said Neo is dead, he was different than his predecessors. Sure, they could go back and retcon what they have said, but everything they have said up until now is that Neo is dead, sacrificing himself to save humanity.

 

[SonicWaffle]

Those arguments are speculations later put in by the audience. From all that the Wachowskis have said Neo is dead, he was different than his predecessors. Sure, they could go back and retcon what they have said, but everything they have said up until now is that Neo is dead, sacrificing himself to save humanity.

Speculation sure, but at least one of them - the Zion-is-the-Matrix one - fits perfectly and explains one of the film's gaping plotholes.

I doubt they'll use it though. More likely Neo will have been either resurrected (fitting the whole Jesus analogy, though personally I always saw it more as being Plato's cave) or will have been taken into the machine city and kept alive. After all, why did he even need to die? From what I remember it was purely symbolic, an extension of the analogy in which the film gives up on subtlety and screams "HE'S CHRIST! LOOK, HE EVEN DIED IN THE CRUCIFIXION POSE!", so they might have kept him alive and reinserted him into the Matrix for whatever reason.

 

[Lizmichi]

God I can hope this is a remake of 2 and 3 but hell I'm pretty sure they'll find a way to bring Neo back.

 

[Reed Spacer]

Reeves seems excited about the possibility...

I can only picture his expression...
Wait, I don't have to. Here it is.

That's not fair; Mr Reeves is capable of a whole range on emotions. He can do:

Happiness: "Whoh. Dude. I am so happy."

Sadness: "Oh man. I am, like, sad. What a downer. Man."

Anger: "I'm angry and upset at you, you douchebag."

Fear: "Ahh. Don't let it get me, dude. Aah. Aaaaaaah."

...and so on.

 

[Suicideking]

Those arguments are speculations later put in by the audience. From all that the Wachowskis have said Neo is dead, he was different than his predecessors. Sure, they could go back and retcon what they have said, but everything they have said up until now is that Neo is dead, sacrificing himself to save humanity.

Speculation sure, but at least one of them - the Zion-is-the-Matrix one - fits perfectly and explains one of the film's gaping plotholes.

I doubt they'll use it though. More likely Neo will have been either resurrected (fitting the whole Jesus analogy, though personally I always saw it more as being Plato's cave) or will have been taken into the machine city and kept alive. After all, why did he even need to die? From what I remember it was purely symbolic, an extension of the analogy in which the film gives up on subtlety and screams "HE'S CHRIST! LOOK, HE EVEN DIED IN THE CRUCIFIXION POSE!", so they might have kept him alive and reinserted him into the Matrix for whatever reason.

He needed to die because his glitch in the matrix caused the glitch in the agent program creating a super agent. They were going for the whole Yin-Yang thing. One can not exist without the other. So in order to rid the system of a rogue super agent, Neo had to sacrifice himself.

 

[Suicideking]

I am going to say I hope they keep all previous canon, even the stuff from The Matrix Online. Neo dead, Morpheus dead. Keanu is being brought back to play Neo, but it's a program. The humans have designed a Neo program to help educate people on the Matrix. Or maybe the Neo program is designed to help police the matrix of those that abuse powers they may learn, and to catch rogue programs.

Sure, with Morpheus dead, we don't get to see Larry Fishburne, but we got CSI for that.

 

[SonicWaffle]

He needed to die because his glitch in the matrix caused the glitch in the agent program creating a super agent. They were going for the whole Yin-Yang thing. One can not exist without the other. So in order to rid the system of a rogue super agent, Neo had to sacrifice himself.

The glitch itself didn't create Smith, Neo did. He superpowered the program when he dived inside him (in a totally non gay way, ahem) at the end of the first movie. It wasn't a direct result of the glitch, more a direct result of Neo's actions - it would in fact have been far more practical for Neo to run up to him and beat Smith's face until it resembled jam than to go for the fancy lightshow. Still his fault, but not due to the whole "the One" scenario.

I see what you're saying, but why did Neo sacraficing himself enable the Smith program to be destroyed? Where is the correlation between the two?

 

[Kyoh]

Reeves seems excited about the possibility...

I can only picture his expression...
Wait, I don't have to. Here it is.

Nice.

 

[Comma-Kazie]

http://nooooooooooooooo.com/

 

[userwhoquitthesite]

No... please no. Can't we just forget 2 and 3 ever happened a revel in the brilliance of the first one as if it was a stand alone title?

well lets just hope they make those ones non canon somehow. Theres always hope.

You know, the acting wasn't up to par, but the actual story itself was just as good. Yes, there are plot holes, but then there are plenty in the first one too. The only real problem with the second and third films is the action being 99% bad CG. The ending is fantastic, from an artistic standpoint, although ridiculous when viewed as an action movie and not an artistic statement.

That said, if these movies exist in any way, I have no faith in them being good. The major conflict has been resolved, and there is no reason for Neo to exist as the One. So where would they go with this? A virus breaks out in the machine software? Aliens invade earth, and the humans and machines have to fight them?

About the most interesting plot I can think of is the humans and machines attempting to fix the world and create a new proper society, but again, this wouldn't lend itself to kung fu shoot-y action, and wouldn't need anything happening inside the matrix.

So, what? Would it just be the machines reneging on the promise of freeing the humans who don't want to live in the matrix? These movies shouldn't happen. So hopefully, this is one man bullshitting.

I also somehow doubt the whole report of him being "excited" to play the role. The obligated part, maybe, but didn't his whole life go to shit while filming matrix 2 and 3? Even if he's come to terms with all the PFT that happened to him, I know I wouldn't easily stop associating the franchise with negativity.

Oh well, it probably won't happen, and if it does, hopefully Keanu and Fishbourne remember that THEY HAVE ACTUAL ACTING ABILITY