Updated: Activision CEO Earned $64.9 Million in 2012

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Holyrichshitballs. If I were in that position I'd give so much of that away, I'd pay my employees heaps more and still have enough to live on. Hell, why do you need more then 70,000 a year? The rest I'd give away.
 

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The problem isn't capitalism. The problem is the same reason that communism and socialism fail. The human factor. Too many wanting more for less than everyone else. Or to simplify it, plain greed.
 

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IanDavis said:
Imagine that your job never really stops. You don't have weekends, and going home to see your family doesn't mean jack. If you screw up, you cost hundreds of people their jobs and piss away the money you borrowed from hundreds more. Also, no one will ever hire you again. CEO salaries aren't that ridiculous when you factor that stuff in.
Awful and here's why, everything you said can be applied to the following:

Doctors
Surgeons
Air traffic controllers
Pilots
Soldiers

and I'm sure there are many more but that's all I could think of.

Point is, these professions are as demanding as a CEOs yet get paid way less and have to potential to have more to lose. So don't be a CEO sympathizer they're not your friend.
 

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And this is an excellent illustration of just how badly we need a maximum wage or at the very least much higher taxes on the wealthy. There was a time when the wealthiest were paying 90% of their income as tax. The economy was flourishing back then with a healthy job market for anyone that wanted to work. Seems high time to bring that back.

On a side note, intentional destruction of currency is actually a federal offense. Carries a potential 6 month sentence. Purchasing anything from activision should qualify.
 

EHKOS

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*Earned*

I don't think that word means what you think it means article maker man.
 

FoolKiller

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Well no surprise. My friend got into Skylanders and dropped over 1000 dollars in less than three months.
 

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Yuuki said:
IanDavis said:
Imagine that your job never really stops. You don't have weekends, and going home to see your family doesn't mean jack. If you screw up, you cost hundreds of people their jobs and piss away the money you borrowed from hundreds more. Also, no one will ever hire you again. CEO salaries aren't that ridiculous when you factor that stuff in.
I would work in such a job for ~3-6 months and make enough money to never NEED to work again and not NEED to give a fuck about anything or anyone ever again, just me and my family (and future generations).
If you do that you would only make 500,000 - one million because his base salary was only two million during the year. He normally makes well under ten million a year total after all his bonuses.

The vast majority of what he earned fifty six million was stock awards which is not actually cash but stock in the company. This would come with a massive amount of paperwork attached to it. He wont be allowed to do anything with that stock except collect dividends for a quite a few years. He has also been working there for over twenty years and did a massive amount of work to earn that salary and rewards.
 

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Skipper3 said:
IanDavis said:
Imagine that your job never really stops. You don't have weekends, and going home to see your family doesn't mean jack. If you screw up, you cost hundreds of people their jobs and piss away the money you borrowed from hundreds more. Also, no one will ever hire you again. CEO salaries aren't that ridiculous when you factor that stuff in.
Awful and here's why, everything you said can be applied to the following:

Doctors
Surgeons
Air traffic controllers
Pilots
Soldiers

and I'm sure there are many more but that's all I could think of.

Point is, these professions are as demanding as a CEOs yet get paid way less and have to potential to have more to lose. So don't be a CEO sympathizer they're not your friend.
Yup pretty much this. What irks me isn't that it's not my lazy ass getting paid all this crazy money. It's that there are so many other professions that I feel deserve much better compensation than what they are recieving. You can definitely add Teachers, Nurses, Police and Firemen to that list.
 

Strazdas

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Looksl ike we are in for the long haul.
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As long as a person or company made the money legally, has paid their taxes, they are, as they should be, able to do whatever the hell they want with it.
No. I have earned 5 millions legally. I will hire a hitman to kill you. By your logic, i should be allowed to do that.

Maybe you think paying a CEO 65 million is wrong because that money is being taken from other people. Well maybe someone else thinks you being able to afford to spend 60 dollars on a video game is wrong because that 60 dollars could feed a tribe of starving children.
yes it could, however there are many more sensible reasons than "its my money omg" to not do that.

The money that Activision is paying Bobby Kotnick with is theirs and if they want to pay him 65 million or 65 cents that's none of your business or my business or anyone else's besides Activision and Bobby Kotnick.
Yes it is. I guess if they wanted to pay him 65 cents, ala slavery, you would be okay with it too right?

You aren't affected a single iota by him making as much as he does.
yes, i am.

who's to say you don't make too much because children are starving in third world countries while you are buying video games or fast food?
I dont buy fast food. i make all my own food.
I do think that what i make, which is aroun 600 dollars a month, is quite fair. However if you were to consider the same standarts as Kotic, the stress,knowledge, ect factors, i should be earning closer to 60.000. And its not that i should earn more, its that Kotick earns too much.

Again, it's their money. If they make it legally and pay taxes on it neither I nor anyone else should give the first shit whether they throw it out of a helicopter over Time Square or encase it in cement and bury it in the ground.
yes we should. I guess if you would be forced to cement 100 dollars each month of your earnins just because some crazy guy wants that you would care too.

Private contracts between businesses and individuals are their business and their business exclusively. Just because you find it in bad taste doesn't mean it's shouldn't be allowed to happen.
they shouldnt be. and they arent. there are laws agasint monopolizing and business certelization.

Beyond that though what is a fair amount? Who gets to decide that.
It is a tough question, i agree. we as a human race gets to decide that. not Kotick, not activision, humans. A fair amount is an amount that leaves the person rewarded for their work (not effort, effort does not count) results without it taking away from the same reward of others. That is, reward is based on the work you done. No work ever done maybe save for curing cancer is ever worth 64 millions.

What you think might be a fair amount may seem like crazy excess to another person. When you start claiming others are living in excess and taking the things they have earned don't be surprised when someone comes along and does the same to you.
Yes, i do not deny that my 2,5 world country lives in excess copared to some and that they should stop whining so much. however when you look at the moneygribbing that happens (which is similar to ill pay you less because i want a new car, and you will ahve to work harder) i can udnerstand the whine.

Nobody is abusing anyone. People are entering into voluntary arrangements to be compensated for their work. You are just as free as Bobby Kotnick to go out there and use your skills to make as much money as you see fit. Nobody is going to stop you.
best anecdote i read today. I can only assume you have little work experience to claim such a thing.

Exactly how are you not free to accept or reject any offer for your services? I can just about bet there is nobody forcing you to work for them against your will.
there is this little thing called food. we both need it, it holds us for ransom.

All the publishing houses in the world could decide collectively not to pay a dime more than 6k a year to anyone writing code and I promise you they wouldn't have a single person writing code for them. The code monkeys would go work in another field or go back and learn a new skill that was more highly valued.
of course they would. for most people learning a new skill without having money to do so is impossible. do you think people woudl rather starve to death than work for 6k a year? a thing like this is already im place, though not at a 6k limit. and it works. Capitalism has turned into plutocracy.

Yeah, that's simply not true. I see it work everyday firsthand.
I am glad you arei n the industry that does not have this yet. others do. Here, the counter offer would not happen, for they are in agreement not to raise the pay.

Who are you to force him to give away what he belongs to him? Who are you to force your ethics upon him?
A human. And that is all i need.

Who are you to decide he should sacrifice his desires and wants for your desires and wants?
Who is he to decide we should sacrifice our desires and wants for his desire and wants? why do you think he should be allowed to get away with that?

In what way?
By paying inadequate wage to thier workers.

In what way I ask? Have you lost your free will? Are you a slave?
Yes, i am a slave to capitalism. if your only understanding of a slave is the one in chains you should think wider. Just becasue nobody has a gun on your head does not mean your actions are not forced.

Is it acceptable to sacrifice 1 person against their will for everybody else?
If one persos death means benefit to many, yes. Ergo the existence of capital punishment.

I would sooner die than live in chains or on my knees to another man's desires, and I would give that choice to everybody else out there. Nobody owes me anything and I would have it no other way. Give me liberty or give me death.
Sadly, it seems you are a ghost who does not realize his own death then.
 

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Adam Jensen said:
But this is still too much for one man who's doing the least amount of work.
And what exactly makes you think he is doing the least amount of work? Do you think a CEO just sits there doing nothing all day? Maybe once you get into the real world you'll understand.
 

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Little Gray said:
Yuuki said:
IanDavis said:
Imagine that your job never really stops. You don't have weekends, and going home to see your family doesn't mean jack. If you screw up, you cost hundreds of people their jobs and piss away the money you borrowed from hundreds more. Also, no one will ever hire you again. CEO salaries aren't that ridiculous when you factor that stuff in.
I would work in such a job for ~3-6 months and make enough money to never NEED to work again and not NEED to give a fuck about anything or anyone ever again, just me and my family (and future generations).
If you do that you would only make 500,000 - one million because his base salary was only two million during the year. He normally makes well under ten million a year total after all his bonuses.

The vast majority of what he earned fifty six million was stock awards which is not actually cash but stock in the company. This would come with a massive amount of paperwork attached to it. He wont be allowed to do anything with that stock except collect dividends for a quite a few years. He has also been working there for over twenty years and did a massive amount of work to earn that salary and rewards.
So what if he only makes a million in that 6 months? As a highly qualified professional, working in an international company at the top end of middle management (before I quit because of the stupid hours), I used to have an annual salary (before tax) of £50,000-ish. That puts me at around 2.5x the national average income. And even if you ignore tax (which you can't) it would take me TWENTY YEARS to make a million. If you include tax, it would be 27 years - the vast majority of my working life.

As long as you're living a reasonably frugal life, it's entirely possible to live for the rest of it on a million, whether you're talking USD or GBP. Whether this dude's total income is $60m or $8m, it's still an immoral obscenity as far as I'm concerned.

Assassin Xaero said:
Adam Jensen said:
But this is still too much for one man who's doing the least amount of work.
And what exactly makes you think he is doing the least amount of work? Do you think a CEO just sits there doing nothing all day? Maybe once you get into the real world you'll understand.
Don't be so naive. I've been in the real world. I've worked with CEO's of big multinationals. Hell... in some cases, I've even been "in charge" of reviewing their pay packages (in as much as I had any say in the matter...). The vast majority work hard... I don't deny that... but they don't work any harder than I used to, and most of them work less. THEY would go home to their families, while I was still sweating away over the files/accounts/other stuff and say "I'll look at it tomorrow morning... just make sure it's done!"

Maybe it's you that needs to spend some time in the real world...
 

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Read the head line, my hatred for Bobby went up.

Read the update, my hatred for bobby went back to its normal level.

Thought about it, my hatred went back up again.
 

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Lawyer105 said:
Little Gray said:
Yuuki said:
IanDavis said:
Imagine that your job never really stops. You don't have weekends, and going home to see your family doesn't mean jack. If you screw up, you cost hundreds of people their jobs and piss away the money you borrowed from hundreds more. Also, no one will ever hire you again. CEO salaries aren't that ridiculous when you factor that stuff in.
I would work in such a job for ~3-6 months and make enough money to never NEED to work again and not NEED to give a fuck about anything or anyone ever again, just me and my family (and future generations).
If you do that you would only make 500,000 - one million because his base salary was only two million during the year. He normally makes well under ten million a year total after all his bonuses.

The vast majority of what he earned fifty six million was stock awards which is not actually cash but stock in the company. This would come with a massive amount of paperwork attached to it. He wont be allowed to do anything with that stock except collect dividends for a quite a few years. He has also been working there for over twenty years and did a massive amount of work to earn that salary and rewards.
So what if he only makes a million in that 6 months? As a highly qualified professional, working in an international company at the top end of middle management (before I quit because of the stupid hours), I used to have an annual salary (before tax) of £50,000-ish. That puts me at around 2.5x the national average income. And even if you ignore tax (which you can't) it would take me TWENTY YEARS to make a million. If you include tax, it would be 27 years - the vast majority of my working life.

As long as you're living a reasonably frugal life, it's entirely possible to live for the rest of it on a million, whether you're talking USD or GBP. Whether this dude's total income is $60m or $8m, it's still an immoral obscenity as far as I'm concerned.

Assassin Xaero said:
Adam Jensen said:
But this is still too much for one man who's doing the least amount of work.
And what exactly makes you think he is doing the least amount of work? Do you think a CEO just sits there doing nothing all day? Maybe once you get into the real world you'll understand.
Don't be so naive. I've been in the real world. I've worked with CEO's of big multinationals. Hell... in some cases, I've even been "in charge" of reviewing their pay packages (in as much as I had any say in the matter...). The vast majority work hard... I don't deny that... but they don't work any harder than I used to, and most of them work less. THEY would go home to their families, while I was still sweating away over the files/accounts/other stuff and say "I'll look at it tomorrow morning... just make sure it's done!"

Maybe it's you that needs to spend some time in the real world...
I would say that in corporate terms, or in any sort of work terms really, you don't get a higher pay because you do "more". Just doing tens of hours of simple labor isn't going to make you much. Indeed, 10 hours of manual labor will earn you more than 8 but the pay grade is the same.

The way I see it, and I don't want to defend the savage capitalism that has become the norm around the world too much, you get pay more in terms of 2 things. The quality and complexity of your work and on the levels of responsibility and accountability you have.

CEO don't get payed more because they can crunch numbers better than anyone else, they get payed more because its their responsibility to oversee an entire company or part of one. And believe me, pushing paper, crunching numbers or even intellectual work (even the highly graded one) is nothing compared to having to deal with people.

If someone told me, "here take this 600+ employees company and make millions with it" I would surely as hell would have to get payed a lot of money to be accountable for all those workers.
 

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90sgamer said:
IanDavis said:
Imagine that your job never really stops. You don't have weekends, and going home to see your family doesn't mean jack. If you screw up, you cost hundreds of people their jobs and piss away the money you borrowed from hundreds more. Also, no one will ever hire you again. CEO salaries aren't that ridiculous when you factor that stuff in.
I think you are the only person in this thread who is able to see the situation sensibly.
...replace jobs with lives and that's a bit like being a noncommissioned officer in the military. The ones that make ~$40,000 a year (if you count benefits... it's under 30 for actual pay) and tend to live quite comfortably on that. I know I did.

Of course, now I do considerably less with a whole lot less responsibility while making more in the private sector. This system is completely fucked up even on the low levels where I exist. Compensation based on real-world contribution simply isn't a thing in this country.
 

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"THIS MAN MAKES MONEY. THEREFORE HE IS AN ASSHOLE! FUCK HIM!"

Da fuck, people? You don't have to like how much he's making, but how many people have straight up called him a prick in the first page alone? Someone they've never met and know nothing about save for his name and his salary.

P.S. The article has been amended, and apparently his earnings last year were only $8.33. I suppose it remains to be seen whether or not he's still automatically a piece of shit at this salary level.
 

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The original article probably should have illuminated the fact that a good portion of the income figure would be stock based.
 
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The Inquisitive Mug said:
Da fuck, people? You don't have to like how much he's making, but how many people have straight up called him a prick in the first page alone? Someone they've never met and know nothing about save for his name and his salary.
Have you been living in a cave without internet access for the past 5 years, or have you just missed the articles about Activision's business practices that has been floating around, like the Activision vs. Jason West and Vince Zampella lawsuit? Even the more unbaised article paints a picture of Kotick being a cynical, brutally pragmatic businessman at best, or a greedy, petty cut-throat at worst.