Holyrichshitballs. If I were in that position I'd give so much of that away, I'd pay my employees heaps more and still have enough to live on. Hell, why do you need more then 70,000 a year? The rest I'd give away.
Muse?Me55enger said:It's time the fat cats had a heart attack.
Awful and here's why, everything you said can be applied to the following:IanDavis said:Imagine that your job never really stops. You don't have weekends, and going home to see your family doesn't mean jack. If you screw up, you cost hundreds of people their jobs and piss away the money you borrowed from hundreds more. Also, no one will ever hire you again. CEO salaries aren't that ridiculous when you factor that stuff in.
If you do that you would only make 500,000 - one million because his base salary was only two million during the year. He normally makes well under ten million a year total after all his bonuses.Yuuki said:I would work in such a job for ~3-6 months and make enough money to never NEED to work again and not NEED to give a fuck about anything or anyone ever again, just me and my family (and future generations).IanDavis said:Imagine that your job never really stops. You don't have weekends, and going home to see your family doesn't mean jack. If you screw up, you cost hundreds of people their jobs and piss away the money you borrowed from hundreds more. Also, no one will ever hire you again. CEO salaries aren't that ridiculous when you factor that stuff in.
Yup pretty much this. What irks me isn't that it's not my lazy ass getting paid all this crazy money. It's that there are so many other professions that I feel deserve much better compensation than what they are recieving. You can definitely add Teachers, Nurses, Police and Firemen to that list.Skipper3 said:Awful and here's why, everything you said can be applied to the following:IanDavis said:Imagine that your job never really stops. You don't have weekends, and going home to see your family doesn't mean jack. If you screw up, you cost hundreds of people their jobs and piss away the money you borrowed from hundreds more. Also, no one will ever hire you again. CEO salaries aren't that ridiculous when you factor that stuff in.
Doctors
Surgeons
Air traffic controllers
Pilots
Soldiers
and I'm sure there are many more but that's all I could think of.
Point is, these professions are as demanding as a CEOs yet get paid way less and have to potential to have more to lose. So don't be a CEO sympathizer they're not your friend.
No. I have earned 5 millions legally. I will hire a hitman to kill you. By your logic, i should be allowed to do that.Super Not Cosmo said:As long as a person or company made the money legally, has paid their taxes, they are, as they should be, able to do whatever the hell they want with it.
yes it could, however there are many more sensible reasons than "its my money omg" to not do that.Maybe you think paying a CEO 65 million is wrong because that money is being taken from other people. Well maybe someone else thinks you being able to afford to spend 60 dollars on a video game is wrong because that 60 dollars could feed a tribe of starving children.
Yes it is. I guess if they wanted to pay him 65 cents, ala slavery, you would be okay with it too right?The money that Activision is paying Bobby Kotnick with is theirs and if they want to pay him 65 million or 65 cents that's none of your business or my business or anyone else's besides Activision and Bobby Kotnick.
yes, i am.You aren't affected a single iota by him making as much as he does.
I dont buy fast food. i make all my own food.who's to say you don't make too much because children are starving in third world countries while you are buying video games or fast food?
yes we should. I guess if you would be forced to cement 100 dollars each month of your earnins just because some crazy guy wants that you would care too.Again, it's their money. If they make it legally and pay taxes on it neither I nor anyone else should give the first shit whether they throw it out of a helicopter over Time Square or encase it in cement and bury it in the ground.
they shouldnt be. and they arent. there are laws agasint monopolizing and business certelization.Private contracts between businesses and individuals are their business and their business exclusively. Just because you find it in bad taste doesn't mean it's shouldn't be allowed to happen.
It is a tough question, i agree. we as a human race gets to decide that. not Kotick, not activision, humans. A fair amount is an amount that leaves the person rewarded for their work (not effort, effort does not count) results without it taking away from the same reward of others. That is, reward is based on the work you done. No work ever done maybe save for curing cancer is ever worth 64 millions.Beyond that though what is a fair amount? Who gets to decide that.
Yes, i do not deny that my 2,5 world country lives in excess copared to some and that they should stop whining so much. however when you look at the moneygribbing that happens (which is similar to ill pay you less because i want a new car, and you will ahve to work harder) i can udnerstand the whine.What you think might be a fair amount may seem like crazy excess to another person. When you start claiming others are living in excess and taking the things they have earned don't be surprised when someone comes along and does the same to you.
best anecdote i read today. I can only assume you have little work experience to claim such a thing.Nobody is abusing anyone. People are entering into voluntary arrangements to be compensated for their work. You are just as free as Bobby Kotnick to go out there and use your skills to make as much money as you see fit. Nobody is going to stop you.
there is this little thing called food. we both need it, it holds us for ransom.Exactly how are you not free to accept or reject any offer for your services? I can just about bet there is nobody forcing you to work for them against your will.
of course they would. for most people learning a new skill without having money to do so is impossible. do you think people woudl rather starve to death than work for 6k a year? a thing like this is already im place, though not at a 6k limit. and it works. Capitalism has turned into plutocracy.All the publishing houses in the world could decide collectively not to pay a dime more than 6k a year to anyone writing code and I promise you they wouldn't have a single person writing code for them. The code monkeys would go work in another field or go back and learn a new skill that was more highly valued.
I am glad you arei n the industry that does not have this yet. others do. Here, the counter offer would not happen, for they are in agreement not to raise the pay.Yeah, that's simply not true. I see it work everyday firsthand.
A human. And that is all i need.Who are you to force him to give away what he belongs to him? Who are you to force your ethics upon him?
Who is he to decide we should sacrifice our desires and wants for his desire and wants? why do you think he should be allowed to get away with that?Who are you to decide he should sacrifice his desires and wants for your desires and wants?
By paying inadequate wage to thier workers.In what way?
Yes, i am a slave to capitalism. if your only understanding of a slave is the one in chains you should think wider. Just becasue nobody has a gun on your head does not mean your actions are not forced.In what way I ask? Have you lost your free will? Are you a slave?
If one persos death means benefit to many, yes. Ergo the existence of capital punishment.Is it acceptable to sacrifice 1 person against their will for everybody else?
Sadly, it seems you are a ghost who does not realize his own death then.I would sooner die than live in chains or on my knees to another man's desires, and I would give that choice to everybody else out there. Nobody owes me anything and I would have it no other way. Give me liberty or give me death.
And what exactly makes you think he is doing the least amount of work? Do you think a CEO just sits there doing nothing all day? Maybe once you get into the real world you'll understand.Adam Jensen said:But this is still too much for one man who's doing the least amount of work.
So what if he only makes a million in that 6 months? As a highly qualified professional, working in an international company at the top end of middle management (before I quit because of the stupid hours), I used to have an annual salary (before tax) of £50,000-ish. That puts me at around 2.5x the national average income. And even if you ignore tax (which you can't) it would take me TWENTY YEARS to make a million. If you include tax, it would be 27 years - the vast majority of my working life.Little Gray said:If you do that you would only make 500,000 - one million because his base salary was only two million during the year. He normally makes well under ten million a year total after all his bonuses.Yuuki said:I would work in such a job for ~3-6 months and make enough money to never NEED to work again and not NEED to give a fuck about anything or anyone ever again, just me and my family (and future generations).IanDavis said:Imagine that your job never really stops. You don't have weekends, and going home to see your family doesn't mean jack. If you screw up, you cost hundreds of people their jobs and piss away the money you borrowed from hundreds more. Also, no one will ever hire you again. CEO salaries aren't that ridiculous when you factor that stuff in.
The vast majority of what he earned fifty six million was stock awards which is not actually cash but stock in the company. This would come with a massive amount of paperwork attached to it. He wont be allowed to do anything with that stock except collect dividends for a quite a few years. He has also been working there for over twenty years and did a massive amount of work to earn that salary and rewards.
Don't be so naive. I've been in the real world. I've worked with CEO's of big multinationals. Hell... in some cases, I've even been "in charge" of reviewing their pay packages (in as much as I had any say in the matter...). The vast majority work hard... I don't deny that... but they don't work any harder than I used to, and most of them work less. THEY would go home to their families, while I was still sweating away over the files/accounts/other stuff and say "I'll look at it tomorrow morning... just make sure it's done!"Assassin Xaero said:And what exactly makes you think he is doing the least amount of work? Do you think a CEO just sits there doing nothing all day? Maybe once you get into the real world you'll understand.Adam Jensen said:But this is still too much for one man who's doing the least amount of work.
I would say that in corporate terms, or in any sort of work terms really, you don't get a higher pay because you do "more". Just doing tens of hours of simple labor isn't going to make you much. Indeed, 10 hours of manual labor will earn you more than 8 but the pay grade is the same.Lawyer105 said:So what if he only makes a million in that 6 months? As a highly qualified professional, working in an international company at the top end of middle management (before I quit because of the stupid hours), I used to have an annual salary (before tax) of £50,000-ish. That puts me at around 2.5x the national average income. And even if you ignore tax (which you can't) it would take me TWENTY YEARS to make a million. If you include tax, it would be 27 years - the vast majority of my working life.Little Gray said:If you do that you would only make 500,000 - one million because his base salary was only two million during the year. He normally makes well under ten million a year total after all his bonuses.Yuuki said:I would work in such a job for ~3-6 months and make enough money to never NEED to work again and not NEED to give a fuck about anything or anyone ever again, just me and my family (and future generations).IanDavis said:Imagine that your job never really stops. You don't have weekends, and going home to see your family doesn't mean jack. If you screw up, you cost hundreds of people their jobs and piss away the money you borrowed from hundreds more. Also, no one will ever hire you again. CEO salaries aren't that ridiculous when you factor that stuff in.
The vast majority of what he earned fifty six million was stock awards which is not actually cash but stock in the company. This would come with a massive amount of paperwork attached to it. He wont be allowed to do anything with that stock except collect dividends for a quite a few years. He has also been working there for over twenty years and did a massive amount of work to earn that salary and rewards.
As long as you're living a reasonably frugal life, it's entirely possible to live for the rest of it on a million, whether you're talking USD or GBP. Whether this dude's total income is $60m or $8m, it's still an immoral obscenity as far as I'm concerned.
Don't be so naive. I've been in the real world. I've worked with CEO's of big multinationals. Hell... in some cases, I've even been "in charge" of reviewing their pay packages (in as much as I had any say in the matter...). The vast majority work hard... I don't deny that... but they don't work any harder than I used to, and most of them work less. THEY would go home to their families, while I was still sweating away over the files/accounts/other stuff and say "I'll look at it tomorrow morning... just make sure it's done!"Assassin Xaero said:And what exactly makes you think he is doing the least amount of work? Do you think a CEO just sits there doing nothing all day? Maybe once you get into the real world you'll understand.Adam Jensen said:But this is still too much for one man who's doing the least amount of work.
Maybe it's you that needs to spend some time in the real world...
...replace jobs with lives and that's a bit like being a noncommissioned officer in the military. The ones that make ~$40,000 a year (if you count benefits... it's under 30 for actual pay) and tend to live quite comfortably on that. I know I did.90sgamer said:I think you are the only person in this thread who is able to see the situation sensibly.IanDavis said:Imagine that your job never really stops. You don't have weekends, and going home to see your family doesn't mean jack. If you screw up, you cost hundreds of people their jobs and piss away the money you borrowed from hundreds more. Also, no one will ever hire you again. CEO salaries aren't that ridiculous when you factor that stuff in.
Have you been living in a cave without internet access for the past 5 years, or have you just missed the articles about Activision's business practices that has been floating around, like the Activision vs. Jason West and Vince Zampella lawsuit? Even the more unbaised article paints a picture of Kotick being a cynical, brutally pragmatic businessman at best, or a greedy, petty cut-throat at worst.The Inquisitive Mug said:Da fuck, people? You don't have to like how much he's making, but how many people have straight up called him a prick in the first page alone? Someone they've never met and know nothing about save for his name and his salary.