TestECull said:
BlueMage said:
They are not cars, you are NOT correctly licensed to drive one unless you hold at least an LR.
I parked my F150 next to a 2011 Honda Accord. They were the same size and they weigh the same.
Good for you skippy. Now tell me the brakes are the same and the handling is the same as well.
There is no extra hazard to you because of my 25 year old pickup.
Height difference, mostly. Or do you deny that your vehicle sits higher?
Stop trying to tell me I shouldn't be able to drive it because you don't like it.
We've covered this, but in short, no. You'll learn, either way.
Buy whatever shitty little supermicro you want, I don't care.
Excellent, then you're amenable to driving a vehicle that will still protect you without killing the other guy. Although it's quite telling that you automatically assume a smaller car is "shitty." Feeling a bit small elsewhere, hmm?
Your car, your rules. But stay the fuck out of my business
Again lad, we've covered this elsewhere.
if I want to own a pickup truck you have no right to tell me what I can and cannot drive.
Absolutely I do - recall that whole "demonstrably more intelligent than average" part. Entitles me to many, many things, including your women.
On top of that, I actually use my truck as a mother fucking truck. I tow shit with it, I push broken cars around, I carry heavy loads, and when the weather turns to shit and my mom's minivan breaks down yet again it is absolutely irreplaceable.
ASTOUNDING! You're perhaps in the 2 or 3% that ACTUALLY USE THE VEHICLE FOR WHAT IT'S INTENDED.
Hell, just two days ago I saved my friend a couple hundred bucks and helped him move, something I wouldn't have been able to do without a truck. On top of that, it's paid off, it's stone cold reliable, it's easy to maintain, and it puts a smile on my face every time it fires up.
Good for you skippy - my car gives me a smile every time it fires up too. Mostly because I know I'm paying a shit-tonne less to drive it than others while still enjoying superior performance.
At the very least, said dumb-fucks would be restricted from owning one.
And they're any less hazardous for the rest of us in a four thousand pound sedan as opposed to a four thousand pound pickup? Really? I fail to see your logic here. Doesn't matter what shape it is, two tons of plastic and computers is gonna hurt when it slams into your trunk lid.
In this, we don't disagree - the issue lies in WHERE that momentum is directed. Deny, if you would please, that the average pick-up sits higher than the average sedan.
You seem to think the problem is the vehicle. It isn't. It's the person driving it. They're a hazard in anything, doesn't matter the size. They're texting while driving, they're blitzed behind the wheel, putting on makeup, eating cereal, reading the paper, smacking the kids, adjusting the radio and getting laid instead of driving. They're going to crash regardless.
Given we know this (and believe me, we don't disagree on this) does it not make sense to limit the harm that can be caused? Risk management, it's pretty simple. I'd rather be hit by someone applying makeup in there *ahem* shitty supermicro than their pickup.
Surely you know what you're doing, so you wouldn't have anything to worry about, right?
Doesn't mean I should have to get a seperate license just because my vehicle of choice has a metal box on the back. And hey, lemme throw ya a curve ball:
Your proposed draconian regulation would put owners of that thing, which has a measly little 2.2L I4, gets 30MPG, weighs about 2500 pounds or so and is roughly the size of a small hatchback, to get some sort of heavy vehicle license. Way to go!
Absolutely you should - IT IS NOT A CAR, IT IS NOT WHAT YOU ARE LICENSED FOR. IT IS A TRUCK.
It does not brake like a car. It does not accelerate like a car. It does not handle like a car. And it does not hit in the same manner as a car.
Pardon me whilst I un-footnote this.
And don't try to tell me they're not common, they are. I personally know someone that has two, someone else that has one, and I see them on the road all the damn time. Americans love those little Toyotas as much as they love their Fords and Chevies, especially since they let you keep a truck and not put up with 15-17 to a gallon on average.
Yes, and if you absolutely must have a pickup, I'd suggest a hilux or a triton.
See how derptastic your idea is? It doesn't solve anything and it just discriminates against people who want a pickup truck.
It solves plenty - an aggressive driver in a hatch is still an aggressive driver. But the consequences of their stupidity is less likely to be the death of someone else. The folks that typically "want" a pickup (yours may be the rare instance where you have a genuine use for it, I'm willing to concede) are typically the last ones who should be in a pickup.
Instead of trying to legislate people into crummy little hatchbacks they don't want
Again insinuating that small cars have poor quality. I'm sensing a trend.
and forcing them to pay others to ship appliances home, just take the stupid drivers off the road.
I would love nothing better. Nothing. Incidentally, if you can't afford the shipping, maybe you shouldn't be buying to begin with...
Let those of us who can go five or six years without hitting anything have our trucks without any extra strings attached.
This is almost reasonable. I will add one string however - you remain in the (in your case) far-right lane. That's where trucks belong.
We already put up with the damn things struggling to break 15-17MPG and requiring rather expensive tires, no need to add more fees at the DMV on top of that.
And see, this is the bit that I don't understand - you accept they have poor consumption, you accept that they have additional expenses that you simply would not have if you had a real car instead of a truck ... yet you cling. Boggles the mind.
So what you're saying is, America, land of the large, is supersizing sedans too?
I'm comparing to a four door 2011 Accord. If you want to ***** about the size of that, go to Tokyo.
Euro or standard? There is a difference.
And what manner of engine/suspension mods?
Lower, stiffer, more taut, more power, more torque, proper six speed manual, roll cage, removing things like ABS, TCM, stability management and other assorted overcomplications, lightening, things like that.
Alright, I can appreciate that - I admit, I was worried you were going to jack the suspension up even higher.
Hell no. I want my power as soon as I open the throttle, not five seconds later. And I'd like to hear the engine, not a turbine.
Oh they're not that bad anymore. Hell, get a super-turbo combo if you're that worried, you'll even get better mileage out of the bargain.
To carve corners. I've got the reliable old pickup for putzing around and handling snow, I want something that handles well in the dry. I don't care about economy, gas is cheap here, so I'm fine with a 7.0L supercharged Corvette engine in it.
Ok, NOW it makes sense.
Actually, being of demonstrably higher intelligence than most, yes, yes I do know what's best.
Well there goes any hint of credibility you had left. Condescending, "I'm better than you" attitudes are a sure sign of an arse, and I refuse to deal with arses.
You already are, so let's continue, shall we?
You have no business telling me, John Doe, Barack Obama, Jeremy Clarkson or Tom Cruise what to drive or how to live. You don't know our situations, you don't know our preferences, you don't have any business trying to tell us what we want.
Nor do I need to. Some things are, simply put, objectively better, regardless of situation or preference.
If you were truly as intelligent as you claim to be you wouldn't be sitting here trying to tell people you've never met and likely live in an entirely different country what they can and can't drive.
Guaranteed you live in a different country, which is meaningless to this conversation.
I don't want to come off as condescending
Mission failed, bro. Mission epically failed. You've managed to come off so condescending you broke my "Pretentiousness" meter. Spun the needle around three times and slung it out of the housing. But that's fine, because I'm not going to reply to you any further. As I just said, I don't deal with arses.
I'm guessing your sarcasm meter needs a tune-up then, eh?
Not quite. In public, there is no expectation of privacy - and the government is obliged to protect its citizens.
The government is obliged to protect them, but it isn't obliged to watch their every movement.
They're not - they're watching what you do in public. Which the government, and anyone else, is perfectly entitled to do. Seeing as, y'know, you're not in a private space.
Why not? Explain to me why it doesn't.
A balaclava, generic hoodie, generic blue jeans, generic sneakers and some generic gloves render the cameras 100% fucking useless for catching crims. 100% fucking useless.
Except by that point, they're being tracked by physical officers as well. Certain traits set off alarm bells, no?
I'm suspecting it's more you have a distrust of authority in general
I genuinely feel sorry for anyone naive enough to trust the US Government to do anything. Even something so mundane as the brand of coffee served in the white house is something they'll manage to cock up. Get the public used to constant surveillance in public and soon enough you'll get cameras on your dashboard by law. And then, once the public is used to that, they'll start putting them in your living room.
No paranoia there, not at all.
The US Government can not be trusted. End of story. They've proved this time and time again.
Any of them? Any at all? Granted, it's easy enough to tell when a politician is lying (the lips are moving) but surely that simply makes them predictable, no?
simply see "progress" as their means of increasing their control, hmm?
Progress isn't watching every single citizen take a shit in the off chance they might have a stroke or mug somebody. Progress is, say, balancing the mother fucking budget. Progress would be doing something about the corruption in the government. Progress could be measured as getting our balls out of China's hand.
You'd need to all breed far more than you do, and be willing to settle for far less to achieve that last one, unfortunately.
