Valve Fans Form Left 4 Dead 2 Boycott Group

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Kwil said:
13lackfriday said:
That would be a legitimate argument, except the new massive update system Valve, through Steam, has perfected renders it null.
Anything they were unsatisfied with, they could just gradually phase out with new updates that would also bring in the new content of the sequel.
So basically, repackaging L4D and slapping a "2" on it is totally unnecessary.
Yes, damn them for wanting to pay their developers! How dare they ask for more money for something that's going to be bigger than the original, with a significantly improved AI director, more types of zombies, more weapons, and a completely new system of combat in the form of melee. Why, they should just provide all of that for free.
Except valve is by no way hurting for money, they're doing better than most developers/publishers could ever hope to do. They used to have a reputation for supporting their games for years after release, TFC, CS, etc. They even have a huge structured digital distribution system that allows them to effortlessly patch their software. It also prints them money.

I mean look at CD projekt, a much smaller developer. They released the witcher in 2007. A year later they re-released the witcher enhanced edition, an ultra polished version of the game with extra content, and allowed all their customers who bought the original to upgrade to enhanced FOR FREE. Or look at Stardock, another shining example of a publisher who actually cares about their customers, who actually stands behind and supports their products for years after their release.

This is just greedy, and they can get away with it because they know there are millions of chumps out there that are going to buy it. Well I'm not going to be one of them. Their support of L4D has been poor at best, and now it's very apparent why.

I used to have the utmost respect for valve. I've been a fan since 1998 with the advent of halflife, but ever since they released steam their business practice (while smart) has gone down the ethical toilet.
- No refunds
- No price matching
- charging for content that used to be free

I mean seriously, if I buy a game, and the very next day it goes on sale for 50% off and they don't honor some kind of price match? That's crap. Bad luck maybe, but bad poor customer support. L4D2 above all else proves they don't give a shit about their customers, all they care about is the paycheck and I don't respect that.

Never did valve claim L4D was a "test" or a "beta" for L4D:2. Maybe they said that now at E3 to cover their ass, but when they released L4D they promised a revolutionary multiplayer co-op experience. This was hardly that, they barely ever patched it, and they waited 6 months to release the other 2 campaigns on vs mode (something that should have been available from the get go).

I think I've had it with valve, they've lost by business for awhile. I can't believe so many people on this forum are defending them. You guys need to get a clue, you're either fanboys beyond contemplation, or you've just been so brainwashed by this new digital age to the point that you're willing to pay for a map pack. I grew up in a different time I suppose, the days where mods, map packs, etc. were free, in fact they were expected to be free because they were huge selling points for software. Those days are long gone because now people are willing to pay an arm and a leg for barely any content. Maybe this is the fault of the DLC from the microsoft live arcade. Maybe when you kids start making your own money and stop mooching off your parents credit card, you'll understand how frustrating this is.

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YES the game did look nice, but it's too soon to release a sequel. We want more time with L4D 1, and new content to play with.

On the other hand, L4D2 looks sick. New weapons, Melee Weapons, and I hope for quite a few new more Zombie Types.
 

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All I want is a candid explaination of WHY they cannot release this content as DLC for L4D. Shit, i'll pay for it. Honest, i'll pay for it. But don't charge me $50 for an expansion pack. Don't... con me. I bought L4D JUST to support it. I wanted that game to succeed. I can only run it on the lowest specs. I barely play it - mostly because everyone has a hardon for versus and I like Impossible mode Co-Op - but also because of the time investment... But I put my money into it, hoping it would pay off. The mods would be crazy. Valve would add more content.

And then they announce a sequel. With things they could, at least to my untrained eye, add via download. I'll pay for it. Honest I will.

Take it back Valve. Make this a bad joke. Please, just take it back... I've been a huge fan of STEAM, all your work... shit, just APOLOGIZE. THATS ALL. JUST ADMIT YOU DID SOMETHING BAD AND APOLOGIZE AND I'LL BUY THE GAME!
 

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TsunamiWombat said:
All I want is a candid explaination of WHY they cannot release this content as DLC for L4D. Shit, i'll pay for it. Honest, i'll pay for it. But don't charge me $50 for an expansion pack. Don't... con me. I bought L4D JUST to support it. I wanted that game to succeed. I can only run it on the lowest specs. I barely play it - mostly because everyone has a hardon for versus and I like Impossible mode Co-Op - but also because of the time investment... But I put my money into it, hoping it would pay off. The mods would be crazy. Valve would add more content.

And then they announce a sequel. With things they could, at least to my untrained eye, add via download. I'll pay for it. Honest I will.

Take it back Valve. Make this a bad joke. Please, just take it back... I've been a huge fan of STEAM, all your work... shit, just APOLOGIZE. THATS ALL. JUST ADMIT YOU DID SOMETHING BAD AND APOLOGIZE AND I'LL BUY THE GAME!
They're valve, of course they're not going to apologize, they're infallable. At the very most, they might give people who purchased the original L4D a 20% discount on 2. So if you're willing to pay 40$ for some melee weapons and a sunset, by all means have at it.
 

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......Did someone say banjo music.....MY GOD MAN! banjo music makes every situation all the more entertaining! How could anyone be upset with that?

More on topic and at the risk of reopening an old wound; It sounds like the same kinda crap we got with major Diablo 3 announcements, screenshots, and gameplay footage. Just ignore them and they'll go away. If they don't buy it then they're really only hurting themselves (not in a monetary sense of course)
 

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Kwil said:
Yes, damn them for wanting to pay their developers! How dare they ask for more money for something that's going to be bigger than the original, with a significantly improved AI director, more types of zombies, more weapons, and a completely new system of combat in the form of melee. Why, they should just provide all of that for free.
Considering the extremely low quality of the orginal version and how it still lacks decent content, L4D2 seems like a rip-off at best.
 

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Provide free updates and shit for a game that's already released or make a sequel and make money? Which would you choose? Just like any other bussiness in the world, they are there to make money. They are not here to please you.
 

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I'd boycott it because the effort should be put into HL2 Epi3 not a sequel to a multiplayer game that should be updated through DLC
 

Chaos Marine

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I think a load of fans really need to get their heads checked. People have become so used to Valve giving free updates that they think they're entitled to them. I think this group needs to be kicked in the face collectively.
 

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I was not thrillered to hear this either but I'm not going to join any bulshit winge group because i dont liek the sound of it. Go ***** about EA, not valve, a compnay that has so far always delivered on its promises.
Other than Episode 3....
 

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I'm wondering whether to join or not, on the one hand, L4D2 will not come out for years judging by Valve's track record. On the other hand.....well there is no other hand.
 

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Lord_Panzer said:
Oooohhh. My. GOD!

Stop complaining! Holy balls, folks, all we know so far is what's shown in about five two-minute videos, and you're finding reason to complain?
IT'S VALVE!! DO YOU REALLY THINK THEY'RE GOING TO SCREW IT UP?!?

/unbridled rage.
Of course not, it's going to be as interesting as everything else they make. Sure I doubt it'll have what makes HL2 great (A great overarching story with likable characters), but hopefully there'll be a portal style "Whoa, where the hell did all this awesomeness come from?"

That said, come on valve, Episode 3 would be nice. At least a progress update, please!
 

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johnman said:
I was not thrillered to hear this either but I'm not going to join any bulshit winge group because i dont liek the sound of it. Go ***** about EA, not valve, a compnay that has so far always delivered on its promises.
Other than Episode 3....
Do you not remember the half-life 2 release being something like 2 years late? They tried to pin it on some "hacker" stealing their source code. How about when they cut off WON and started using steam as their primary means for multiplayer hosting. Do you remember all the people who got screwed over with DRM errors. People losing entire game libraries because of cd-key errors and stean accounts getting locked out. Valve has always had terrible customer service and really no customer support. The only thing that keeps them going is their ability to produce amazing games.

In the way of keeping their customers happy, valve has one of the worst track records in the industry. I'm pretty positive L4D 2 is going to be the first valve title I don't purchase.
 

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I think the public reaction to this would improve greatly if it were an expansion pack. Because lets face it, from the information handed out so far that's what it looks like, an improvement to the original game with nothing so new or exciting to be able to justify making it a sequel (by Valves standards anyway). By doing this they also divide a huge community into 2 separate games and they will have to support both at the risk of alienating one or the other, player bases will be greatly reduced and the server costs of maintaining both games will probably be marginally higher then if it were just one.

An open comment to Valve: Make it an expansion pack and charge $20 or so for it, that way you do not alienate your current players, you bring new players into a growing community, you don't have to support 2 games with patches/updates the community has come to expect from you and it will stem the negative reaction.

Either do the above, or you will have to add a lot of innovative new features/locales/weapons/zombies/etc. to make your sequel worth it, which is something we're not seeing, and you of all companies should know that first impressions are everything, so even if you only showed a tiny amount of the new stuff you are adding. What you showed was an expansion pack masquerading as a sequel.
 

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gibboss28 said:
Whining maggots

"Oh noes the music isn't to our taste WE DONT WANT IT!"

...fuck off.

I'm really trying to be nice but...they're just whiny morons.
They have a whole list of complaints, and you make it sound like they only had one. Also, they weren't all so nitpicky.

So you fuck off.
I had read their complaints, several times over in fact, hell I've even read some of their complaints on their steam group (which to me has a slight taste of irony to it but I really cant explain)

And in fairness, yeah a lot of their points are fair enough. But some of them are just stupid like the music one, the one about the sunlight and the character design. Those three points were based solely on the trailer and the game play trailers. Points which really cant be based on trailers, rather by actually playing the game.

Yeah I jumped the gun calling them whining maggots but then again it was like 12 at night when I wrote that and I was quite drunk so I figured just picking one point out of a list would be a good idea.
 

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Wow, spoiled brats. We had one trailer. ONE, not even an ingame one, just prerendered. And already they start crying out? My gods, that IS spoiled rotten, we still have half a year to go guys, assuming they won't delay the game. We barely know anything about this game, it's not even done yet.

To say that they should just release DLC: L4D 2 will be different from L4D 1, it will be much more dynamic, the AI Director is getting a make-over, hopefully we'll see more detailed zombie destruction, more zombies and hopefully new Special zombies, new weapons, dynamic levels (in conjuction with the AI Director make-over), a melee combat system, a whole new game setting, a lot more content and we don't even know if that's all! Who knows what they'll add more. If all that doesn't justify a sequel, what does??

We all know that L4D 1 was more of an experiment, and a very succesfull experiment. L4D 2 will fully flesh out the game concept. People are really jumping the gun here, crying out so early.
 

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New Left 4 Dead game from Valve.

People complaining.

Huh?

The original is fantastic and I play it regularly. If they're going to polish it and give me 5 new maps, new weapons, a chainsaw and set it in New Orleans they can have my £40.

Gamers are going to start getting a reputation as whiny nerds (oh wait) a la comic book fans every time a new superhero movie is released.