Valve hates console gamers?
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What the good fellow meant comrade was that they didnt port it for the PS3 themselves.. Valve outsourced it because PS3 coding scares them.. and ate their kittens.. ;___; which explains why the port was utterly terrible.. and them not 'making' (read: porting) it for the PS3..The Shade said:
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I think you're misinterpreting business decisions and platform hang-ups for an emotional response.
Most of the issues Valve have with the Xbox 360 lie at the feet of Microsoft having rules and system limitations on the system whereas Steam is a Valve product therefore they can do with it what they will and charge whatever they feel like charging for content (which is largely nothing).
As for the PS3, by now we are all well aware of how difficult it is to code for in comparison to the other consoles, so if things take a little while longer or aren't quite as good I would say a fair portion of the blame lies with Sony for trying to re-invent the wheel or as someone else hypothesized trying to become the new standard.
Most of the issues Valve have with the Xbox 360 lie at the feet of Microsoft having rules and system limitations on the system whereas Steam is a Valve product therefore they can do with it what they will and charge whatever they feel like charging for content (which is largely nothing).
As for the PS3, by now we are all well aware of how difficult it is to code for in comparison to the other consoles, so if things take a little while longer or aren't quite as good I would say a fair portion of the blame lies with Sony for trying to re-invent the wheel or as someone else hypothesized trying to become the new standard.
Time plays absolutely no role in whether Valve will update release a game etc... You could argue the same thing for the PC. At the rate valve is going they will be supporting TF2 for the PC 2.5 years after release. October last year they updated HL. At that time Half Life was out for nearly 10 years.megapenguinx said:
So far Valve has released 2 games for consoles. The first of which they nearly pushed the 360 to its memory limits and to add more stuff, have to change almost everything. This means they haven't updated more than simple bugfixes. The second game they have updated with the PC and have even gotten one of their major updates to be free despite Microsoft's money grubbing hands.apsham said:
I thought that hardware limitations and Microsofts seeming dislike of free DLC is what has held back the XBox from updates. Valve is primarily a PC company. So I guess each console release is basically a port, and they almost always have black spots.
I don't think they hate consoles, it's just that they have to keep sanding the PC box pieces so they fit into console shaped boxes.
I don't think they hate consoles, it's just that they have to keep sanding the PC box pieces so they fit into console shaped boxes.
I think Valve want to keep their image as a developer for the players not for the games and money. Thus they release free content continually. Having Console release DLC would ruin their image since Microsoft is a bunch of greedy asses and will charge for them.
And yeah their "Steam Machine" is definitely their moneymaker. There's so many games on Steam right now that look good. Not to mention some classics. I know many people that got Steam when they bought Half Life or Counter Strike or w/e, and then got sucked into the Steam store and ended up buying Crysis, F.E.A.R., and the entire damn ID collection! (Yeah the sell the whole thing in one bundle from Quake to Doom to Hexen to Wolfenstein and even Commander Keen!)
And yeah their "Steam Machine" is definitely their moneymaker. There's so many games on Steam right now that look good. Not to mention some classics. I know many people that got Steam when they bought Half Life or Counter Strike or w/e, and then got sucked into the Steam store and ended up buying Crysis, F.E.A.R., and the entire damn ID collection! (Yeah the sell the whole thing in one bundle from Quake to Doom to Hexen to Wolfenstein and even Commander Keen!)
So the main points are memory constraints and the fact they don't want people to pay for DLC I gather?
Jeez, with 1000 posts, I thought you would have read the articles about Valve's stance on console gaming and their developer blogs.xxcloud417xx said:
Anyway, no, they don't hate console gamers. There's many reasons why they focus on PC game development...
1) Valve is a PC Game developer. They've always been since the very beginning. Every console game they made was a port for the sake of expanding their market.
2) Valve's ambitions lie with improving PC gaming. Valve introduced Steam to improve the PC Gaming industry for both developers and gamers alike. Can you really expect them to have a preference for console game development after they've went through the trouble of creating digital distribution service to benefit PC gamers and developers? Don't forget the fact that XBox 360's digital distribution service is not only inferior, but also Microsoft takes a chunk out of their profits.
3) Valve's PC gamer fanbase is larger. There's a massive community of gamers and modders on the PC. If it's not communities surrounding Valve games, it's communities surrounding mods of Valve games. It would be stupid for Valve to prefer pleasing the their PC gamer community over a minority console gamers.
4) XBox cannot handle TF2 updates. Like Valve said here [http://teamfortress.com/post.php?id=2394], the TF2 updates are too overwhelming for the XBox 360 and Xbox Live. You may argue that they were able to update L4D, but L4D had nowhere near the kind of updates TF2 has. TF2 gets at least 2 to 3 maps, new weapons, occasionally a new gamemode, and considerable gameplay tweaks roughly every 3 to 4 months. Left 4 Dead received only ONE major update through nearly an entire year with the only actual new content being a small map that sucks.
5) PC is simply the best platform for their games. Aside from their games being FPSs, every major game requires continual updates, which the PC makes easy, especially with Steam. Then there's the Source SDK that allows mods, something either impossible or extremely difficult to make for a console. Finally, there's only one console that's suitable for their games. Wii lacks the graphical and networking capabilities, and Sony intentionally made the PS3 the biggest pain in the butt to develop and port for.
6) It takes more time, effort, and money to develop for consoles than PC. Making games for consoles can be a pain, especially for a developer whose main platform is PC. Aside from the hardware compatibility issues, there's also the licensing, marketing, and manufacturing. Every platform requires the game to be separately manufactured and licensed. They also have to be much more careful about bugs because if the game ships with bugs, it's a lot harder to fix them than if you released on PC, an issue that multiplies due to the fact they're developing on a different hardware platform. This takes more time and money for a audience that I previously stated
So it's not that they hate console gamers. Valve is a PC game developer that occasionally makes ports to consoles. There's no sense in criticizing a developer for focusing their attention on the platform that's best for their games.
Don't forget the licensing system.Proteus214 said:
As for the original topic: Valve mainly makes FPS games. PCs are far more suited for FPS games than consoles. How is it surprising that Valve prefer the PC?
pretty nice rundown of it all. Oh don't let the posts fool you, just cuz I have a lot it doesn't mean I only read threads about Valve.cyrad said:
(I'm actually very rarely on the Video game discussion forum.) But yeah I totally agree that Valve is a lot smarter for preferring their PC market, since it is a lot larger, my main question that I wanted to answer with this thread is if there's another reason they're not releasing more Console content, not just a pre-established fanbase. It has been answered though, it would cost money, which is the total opposite of what Valve wants (or at least what they've been showing the consumer) when it comes to DLC, and also there are several technical issues related to porting and memory.Also I hope no one gets me wrong, I'm not here to complain about it too, I'm a hardcore PC gamer, and I love Steam.
They have always like the PC better.
If you look at all of thier games they are made on PC first then ported to 360/PS3
I don't think that they hatethe 360/PS3 but, that they hate having to redo all the codes just to port a game.
It would be rather frustraiting in my opinon.
I think that the 360 gets favortism mainly because it's coding is just about the same a the PC.
If you look at all of thier games they are made on PC first then ported to 360/PS3
I don't think that they hatethe 360/PS3 but, that they hate having to redo all the codes just to port a game.
It would be rather frustraiting in my opinon.
I think that the 360 gets favortism mainly because it's coding is just about the same a the PC.
Valve doesn't hate it's console gamers. The reason they aren't releasing updates for Team Fortress 2 is because of the memory limit. The Orange Box was barely released due to the amount of memory needed and the updates will barely make it as well. Microsoft is going to charge for the updates, it was not Valve's choice in the matter. Valve just makes updates, Microsoft charges for them. As for the PS3, Valve believes the console isn't the best choice for their games, mainly the controller scheme.
The reason why it's $5 this time round is because last time it was free (bare with me) and therefore Vavle weren't allowed (by Microsoft) to stick any achievements on it [a href:"http://www.gamesradar.com/pc/left-4-dead/preview/left-4-dead-survival-pack-hands-on/a-2009030594445612035/g-20061120155139282079/p-3"](see the last paragraph)[/a] and this made XBoxers very pissy about it.The Austin said:
So, how happy are they going to be with their achievements costing 5 bucks?
CheeseSandwichCake said:
around half? thats exactly my point, if you have a big yummy pie, and someone gives you another half of all that green dollary flavour, you arn't going to hate them just because its only half of the other pie, even the slightest profit is a good thing, just because its not as much doesn't mean its not wanted