Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Announced - What could possibly go wrong?!
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He is, but as an independent consultant.Mangod said:
And the rumor is Guilliman and that one Mechanicus dude are making 'new' Space Marines. Not new chapters mind you, but an entirely new breed of Space Marines.
And that they will be a new Imperial faction.
They'll either ape what happened with the Thunder Warriors or look at the Ten Thousand and try to get them as close to them as they can.Silentpony said:
The idea of it brings up possibilities. Feelings of Betrayal by the Imperium might cause some Space Marine chapters to go rogue. Not to Chaos, but rogue.
Me and a group of us are just about to start a Warhammer Fantasy 8th Ed campaign... and most of us go 40-what now?!
What rebels we are... -_-
That and most of us playing Warmachine & Hordes implies that we general give zero shits about most of the crap that GW gets up to.
What rebels we are... -_-
That and most of us playing Warmachine & Hordes implies that we general give zero shits about most of the crap that GW gets up to.
Dude's going to hop out of his bed, proclaim that he had a lovely nap but now it's to go an reclaim Cadia, so he'll get in his little Thunder hawk and do just that, by himself.Samtemdo8 said:
Then he'll wander off and eat Hive Fleets Kraken and Leviathen, since he was peckish after all that chaos banishing. Then he'll realise eating all those funny coloured and probably toxic xenos might have been a bit much, so he'll go back to Macragge for another nap.
More than a few of us that have played Rogue Trader can easily point to the fact that it's been all downhill since about this moment, yeah.Samtemdo8 said:
Having come from tabletop rpgs, all I can say in regards to the prior codices being obsolete: Welcome to the rest of tabletop gaming. And even then, nothing stops you from incorporating what you like and don?t like with your friends.
Secondly in regards to lore: About fucking time. Now we can see if Games Workshop can work beyond their established setting and actually create new things again.
Secondly in regards to lore: About fucking time. Now we can see if Games Workshop can work beyond their established setting and actually create new things again.
I wonder though, if it's common for people to think the ed they started on was the best ed. In which case there's either some bias and resistance to change, or it's been consistently going downhill.Addendum_Forthcoming said:
I hope not, their newer stuff tends to be pretty woeful.InsanityRequiem said:
Bah! Bah, I say! I've been playing with the same gork-damned ork army since 1990. Editions come and editions go, but they keep on stompin. That said, as soon as I heard rumblings about 8th ed I decided I was done with buying new codices and editions, I just never have the time or patience to learn them properly before a new one comes out. Ere We Go and Freebooterz may have been bizarre, labyrinthine works, but I'm sticking to them.
3 ways to play sounds ok. At least this way you can turn up and say you want to see if your mate's 300 gretchin can wreck your 10 man terminator army and they won't necessarily tell you to fuck off.
3 ways to play sounds ok. At least this way you can turn up and say you want to see if your mate's 300 gretchin can wreck your 10 man terminator army and they won't necessarily tell you to fuck off.
Not so much. It was before the age of the internet and Rogue Trader changed and added rules as it went along, so the slow proliferation of new rules in WD that ended up being part of second wasn't really seen as something separate to 1st until 2nd released. Also back then they hadn't had expensive "all your shit is now obsolete" edition changes before (bar normal Warhammer and they had been relatively well received and there wasn't that much to obsolete anyway) and GW weren't such dickheads as they are now, there was less reason to distrust them. It was more a case of "what the hell are these shit new rules and why have all your models, paintjobs and artwork started to look like they are aimed at 8 year olds? And what the fuck have you done to the Space Wolves?"Samtemdo8 said:
I started with 2nd/3rd, personally. But I played more Necromunda-esque stuff ... then I was invited to play a campaign or chronicle of Rogue Trader and fell in love with it. It's just flatout better when they went towards a wargame-RPG mix than just a flat out wargame.Thaluikhain said:
Sad fact of the matter is that there's just better boardgames out there. There's better wargames out there.
'Ones that don't involve such a high degree of chance ... ones that just get better the more players you have. Ones that even involve diplomacy, treachery, and duplicity and all that fun stuff. Whereby a complete newb can win the game simply because the skills they bring into a game are weighted (like being able to smile and straight out lie to your friend's face when they have known you for years and still pull it off, so it makes it feel as if your victories and failures are yours and yours alone.
The moment they went pure wargaming they lost something truly wonderful.
Warhammer, for the longest time, has been one of those games with a high obstacle of entry, with a low payoff ... because why buy into Games Workshop when other games do it better?
What made Rogue Trader great is what made Necromunda great ... the idea of your characters being customised and changing as the narrative went on. W40K sells itself on its narrative alone because its mechanics and its characterization is rubbish. Essentially why W40k became as big as it did was because it was after the first Golden age of late-modern boardgaming, and before the second Golden age of boardgaming.
For a long time Warhammer was the only way to get your wargaming fix ... and it still uses six sided dice. For almost everything. And because of that it's losing its once enviable slice of the 'boardgaming pie' to smarter, better, less costly tactical board games on the market.
At this point, I'd rather get into the X-Wing miniatures game than go back in any iteration of Warhammer ... and that's a shame because I fucking loved my Lizardmen, Eldar and Imperial Guard. I had a penal legion Imperial Guard army whereby I bought up shitloads of Necromunda models. Usually Orlock, Escher and Van Saar models ... mixing with standard Imperial Guard models. Point is that you don't need to play Warhammer to get a gaming fix. And unless they're willing to change not only how they do business, but how they play their games, in a manner that is conducive to what shrinking per capita fan base of boardgaming market they have in an increasingly saturated market ... then 9th edition will be out in about a year and a half's time.
Basically GW is having their Sega moment.
Wow, if I understood a word of any of the jargon being used in this thread, I would be outraged.
But seriously, while I have only ever played Warhammer in video game format, I get the gist of what is going on: New edition and new stuff and if all that was happening was that players had to shell out $25 for a new rulebook, I would have no problem.
Miniatures are fucking expensive though, rebalancing armies is going to cost people hundreds.Yeah this is a cash grab and a pretty fucking mean one too. Much worse than just introducing a new faction that existing armies might have to take into account.
But seriously, while I have only ever played Warhammer in video game format, I get the gist of what is going on: New edition and new stuff and if all that was happening was that players had to shell out $25 for a new rulebook, I would have no problem.
Miniatures are fucking expensive though, rebalancing armies is going to cost people hundreds.Yeah this is a cash grab and a pretty fucking mean one too. Much worse than just introducing a new faction that existing armies might have to take into account.
I haven't played Warhammer 40k since I left school, and that was over 8 years ago now. Reason being because they keep changing everything and making people spend more money to keep up with it. There have been times I've considered getting back into the hobby, but the cost is always the deciding factor. I pay rent, I run a car and I'm saving for a house, I can't afford to keep shelling out money to Games Workshop as well and still have a social life and pay for all the things I have responsibilities about. As someone else said above, I love Warhammer 40k, but I hate Games Workshop.
Ripoff merchants and I've seen no sign that they're getting any better. I may as well just stick to EA and Activision games, they might still screw people over but at least it's not continuous...
Ripoff merchants and I've seen no sign that they're getting any better. I may as well just stick to EA and Activision games, they might still screw people over but at least it's not continuous...
Not just that they're launching a new edition, but that:jademunky said:
they're telling us that books that they've been selling for $50 each, will be made obsolete. The "Gathering Storm" books, all of which were released in this year, will not be compatible with 8th edition, which is also releasing this year.Games Workshop said:
It's the lack of foresight that really sticks in my gorge. They've charged $50 for rules that THEY KNEW would not even last a year. It's really rather insulting to the customers. Never mind that GW have had a history of making units unviable or even non-existent in the rules between editions.
Say what you want about Privateer Press and Warmachine/Hordes, but at least they've never straight up removed units and characters from the game just because.
Actually, Privateer Press has stated that they will start killing of characters as the game progresses but you can still play as older models. These just won't get updates. A big example of this is the Leader of the Black 13th, who is replaced by Caine.Mangod said:
I do find it funny the GW has flat out said the Horus Heresy will still be using 7th edition because they know they have no leg to stand on if they just make all those $90 books obsolete
As for the actual 8th Edition, we surprisingly know a lot more about it than 7th. Whether the changes we know about are good however...
Good:
Movement Statistic is back. I call this good as it never meant any sense than a Grot, a Space Marine, and a Howling Banshee could move the same number of inches. This change can have a drastic effect on the meta and can probably change some unit's usefulness.
Leadership overhaul. Leadership is no longer and all or nothing game and will be instead more dynamic. This is good because over half of the armies in the game don't care about Ld so it's become kind of a useless stat.
Mixed:
Weapons will now worsen armor saves rather the current AP system. I'm kind of mixed on this because on one hand, it would make sense that Autocannons should have an easier time killing Space Marines (S7 vs T4) but on the other I feel like this just continues the meta of emphasizing middling to powerful S weapons over las spam.
Bad:
All models will be unique and not follow unit rules. This is dumb. I don't want to have to buy every codex just so I can know what model does what. Even worse, each weapon know effects each model differently so now I got to have every $50 codex just so I understand how my weapon affects the brand new model I'm facing.
No more templates (self-explanatory here)
This edition takes heavy inspiration from Age of Sigmar. While still having point systems, I don't get the AoS system at all.
