We should forgive Bioware.

Don Reba

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There is also the Origin issue. Any game that requires it does not exist for me. Quite frankly, EA is one of the last companies I would trust with a Steam-like game distribution channel. This is not a service it should be running.
 

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Legion said:
This the most sensible approach to Bioware you can have IMO. Judge them by a case by case basis and don't believe the hype, positive or negative.
 

BeeGeenie

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I thought they made some Really bad decisions with DA2, but hey, we all make mistakes. Bioware has done some very good things in the past, so it all evens out. If they continue to move in directions I'm not interested in, I'm not going to buy those games. Simple as that. It's not about hate or forgiveness, it's about what I as a consumer am interested in spending money on.
 

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I never was angry enough at bioware to begin with... dont get me wrong I am not some blind fanboy.... ME3's ending i thought was a bit rubbish but the rest of that game was amazing... and i just kinda have it in my mind that ME3 ends when Shepard gets beamed up the special part of the citadel by the catalyst... If you think of that as the ending it is actually not too bad lol

As for DA2 I actually enjoyed the game because of the increased character development in the hawk protagonist... I liked how my character had a voice... Granted DA2 had some issues. The scenery got boring very quickly and it would have been nice to go somewhere new outside of Kirkwall. I liked getting to know a city and an area... but after the first act and a half it was not interesting anymore considering all the goons use the same hideout. Also the story was interesting but it was interesting in the way you read an autobiography... in terms of a greater story it kinda was lacking. Each act was its own story and they barely connected to each other.

And haven't played SWTOR.

All these faults in Bioware's more recent games just show they are human after all... it won't stop me from buying a new release of one of their games though I am hoping they do step their story writing up a notch in terms of endings and continuity.
 

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Sorry but ya, the people that made those original games we BioWare, this is EA BioWare, which actually makes a large difference, that company that made great games is gone mainly because EA wants to use BioWare's old good will to shine up its image. This is all just my opinion but ya, this has happened before to more companies under EA's 'care' so I will just leave them be, if they surprise me then great if not well I can't be more disappointed then not caring.
 

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Ed130 said:
His idea for the ending got dummied out, the Starchild was the brainchild of Casey Hudson.

Yeah sandbox is the inevitable home of Origin if I ever use it, that or cracking it entirely.
(Which is of course illegal and something I will never do)
Well that's unfortunate, I would like to have known what the original ending was supposed to be.

Running Origin in Sandbox isn't so bad, once you get past the tweaking necessary to allow games to function.
 

Ed130 The Vanguard

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008Zulu said:
Ed130 said:
His idea for the ending got dummied out, the Starchild was the brainchild of Casey Hudson.

Yeah sandbox is the inevitable home of Origin if I ever use it, that or cracking it entirely.
(Which is of course illegal and something I will never do)
Well that's unfortunate, I would like to have known what the original ending was supposed to be.

Running Origin in Sandbox isn't so bad, once you get past the tweaking necessary to allow games to function.
Drew Karyshyn revealed some of it, it linked back to Dark Energy.

http://www.strategyinformer.com/news/17086/mass-effect-writer-drew-karpyshyn-reveals-original-mass-effect-3-endings

REcaptcha: weylan yutani
 

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Bhaalspawn said:
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Their games don't reuse the same engine for 15 years, unlike Valve.

BioWare is the only game company that has a shot of making that hypothetical "Perfect Game" everyone likes to talk about.
Yeah because the source engine is terribly buggy, looks horrible, doesn't do what it's supposed to do, has no amazing fan made games/mods coming from it. Oh and because ME:3 looks so freaking amazing for a console port.
Console port? I don't follow.
Just because you didn't play it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
No, what I meant is, I don't understand what you mean by 'console port.'
I'm guessing he meant that it was clearly designed for consoles and then ported over to the PC.
 

TheCaptain

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Done and done.

They only moment I liked them any less was right after my first ME3 playthrough. I still don't like the writing that happened there during the last 15 minutes of the game, but they've done a nice thing with the EC (which doesn't fix the overall problem I had with the resolution of the story, but pretty much fixed the emotional connection to the game) and they generally treat their player base pretty good.

Then again, I liked DA2 and SWTOR, so I'm probably too easy to please ;-)
 

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Ed130 said:
Drew Karyshyn revealed some of it, it linked back to Dark Energy.
Huh, I've been wondering where they were going with that whole dark energy thing.

Confusing as hell though; How was humanities genetic diversity (biology) supposed to solve a physics problem? Why didn't the Reapers just ask, given the stakes the odds of saying Yes were favourable. The whole "salvation through destruction" is kinda at odds with this.

There's about a hundred other question I would ask there.
 

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We should forgive them. They make lightsabers!

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/07/23/bioware-artist-recreates-obi-wans-lightsaber/
 

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Not that I really care any two ways about Bioware, but if I did, I'd still hate them because they are now EA. Everything they have done to gain ire from their fans is something EA told them to do. Until that chain is broken, Bioware will just be a zombie of the company we used to love. A money eating zombie...
 

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speaking only for myself, Bioware is dead to me.
DA2 and ToR were the final straw for me.

They'll never be what they once were again. Old Bioware is dead, or might as well be, Bioware EA is all that's left.
 

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shrekfan246 said:
I like how you feel the need to keep throwing the word "emotion" into your post, as if I'm going to accuse you of being angry or hostile.
Possibly because you've already set the standard. And number of times used has nothing to do with it.
 

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Forgive Bioware? Hell no. The ME3 ending turned me off of the entire franchise (and the EC didn't do a thing to fix my dismal opinion), and their anti-consumer attitude since Dragon Age 2 has turned me away from the rest of their junk. When I got treated like shit just because I expressed my discontent on what I bought off them, I was like "fuck this shit" and decided to never buy another Bioware game ever again.

And I need not go in the matter that their name is basically a stamp EA uses to label products so they'll sell faster. Of course, Bioware have yet to really feel the impact of their actions and dismissal of criticism. Their next game will dictate that.