well, the the escapist was just attacked.

[Something Amyss]

Okay, what I need to know is this: as a prominent SJW, am I safe from this "attack?"

Actually, they gain the perception that it's being perpetrated by the anti-GamerGate side in an attempt to "stifle" discussion, thereby "proving" that they have something to hide or whatever else.

Come on, Shrek, you're asking people to believe that people on the internet would be willing to do something that falsely paints another group in a negative light.

(and that sort of accusation can only be lobbed at Anita Sarkeesian and Zoe Quinn).

Honestly, the one thing I wish people would have learned after the Sarkeesian/police thing is that jumping on things before all information is out is just stupid. But here we are again.

 

[Sutter Cane]

Here's my conspiracy theory: pro-GamerGate script kitty staged the attack so that it looked like anti-GG people were trying to shut down the discussion by force!

So when the pro gamergate side accuses of one of their opponents of doxing or hacking themselves you (rightly) criticize them for it, but when someone attacks the pro gamergate side it's perfectly reasonable to assume they did it to their own side. That's not hypocritical at all

 

[xaszatm]

Okay, what I need to know is this: as a prominent SJW, am I safe from this "attack?"

Actually, they gain the perception that it's being perpetrated by the anti-GamerGate side in an attempt to "stifle" discussion, thereby "proving" that they have something to hide or whatever else.

Come on, Shrek, you're asking people to believe that people on the internet would be willing to do something that falsely paints another group in a negative light.

(and that sort of accusation can only be lobbed at Anita Sarkeesian and Zoe Quinn).

Honestly, the one thing I wish people would have learned after the Sarkeesian/police thing is that jumping on things before all information is out is just stupid. But here we are again.

We don't know but people have been advised to change their passwords all the same. Seems to be a large unfocused sweep, according to other people smarter than I.

 

[Parasondox]

What's up with all the anger and the "us versus them" mentality going on? This is not a war.

Lastly, I didn't even say firstly, don't hackers have anything else better to do other than being a bunch of pathetic humans who has no idea how to deal with life in a mature way?

 

[Something Amyss]

Only if you did your daily public denial of the Patriarchy from the top of your lungs. If you didn't... THEY will know. THEY won't forgive.

Oh, phew. I'm safe.

Because some peoplem at the very best, don't seem to understand that journalism of the calibre of CNN's "find the lost Malaysian plane" is dreadful on all possible counts. And at the very worst seem to confuse "journalism" for anything that panders to my viewpoint. Like with that Sarkeesian/police thing, the truth of the matter won't matter if and when it comes out; some very vocal people will have already played chinese whispers with it and unsured the narrative sticks.

I really despise the 24 hour news cycle and the whole "Malaysia plane hunt" crap. But at least CNN's doing it because they;re trying to make money. As poor an excuse for journalism as they may be, it's understandable. But a bunch of people on the internet screaming at each other?

I don't get it.

 

[Mikeybb]

but its just hearing about jim right now infuriates me, he has not addressed this properly, that tweetlonger was very half-assed and in none of his videos has he ever addressed the abuses of the anti-gamergate side, hell they probably just DDoS'd the very website he works for and he still wont talk about it

https://twitter.com/JimSterling/status/513425805595406336

Jim Sterling
‏@JimSterling
The *only* thing I know for sure about whoever brought The Escapist down today is that it's a shithead with a head made of shit.

https://twitter.com/JimSterling/status/513426032561778688

Jim Sterling
‏@JimSterling
I don't care what "side" the shitheads are on, all I know that them fucking off would be grand.


So, yeah, he did address it. He did not accuse anyone in particular because, and yet again, as with so many stuff going on in all of this debacle, the fact-to-conjecture ratio doesn't really allow anyone to say who did what.

I wholeheartedly support that statement.

Shitheads are shitheads and they're no representation of the group they've decided to 'help'.
Whoever did this and for whatever reason, they shouldn't be used in any was as an example of that group.

That's something people should be able to stand together on, no matter what side of the gate you're on, or even neutral/apathetic.
Doxxing, ddossing or harassing are not acceptable.

 

[TheNewGuy]

Don't hackers have anything better to do other than be a bunch of pathetic humans who have no idea how to deal with life in a mature way?

Almost by their very nature, they do not.

 

[Something Amyss]

What's up with all the anger and the "us versus them" mentality going on? This is not a war.

That's exactly what THEY would say!

Look! One of them's over here!

 

[Barbas]

(Snip).

You may want to follow the Twitter link you posted and see what other comments Randy Pitchford and Anthony Burch have made. It would appear that they're being quite badly misunderstood, deliberately.

 

[Something Amyss]

We don't know but people have been advised to change their passwords all the same. Seems to be a large unfocused sweep, according to other people smarter than I.

I already changed mine. This was mostly a pisstake about the accusations that the evil SJWs were attacking the good and righteous people of #GamerGate, trying to make them look bad.

 

[Soviet Heavy]

As somebody who doesn't give a fuck about GamerGate or the like, can someone try to explain to me what each side's intentions are? Who would gain from attacking the forums?

Pro-GamerGate stands for?

Anti-GamerGate stands for?

 

[BreakfastMan]

As somebody who doesn't give a fuck about GamerGate or the like, can someone try to explain to me what each side's intentions are?

Pro-GamerGate stands for?

Anti-GamerGate stands for?

An easy summation (at the risk of some over-simplification) is that Pro-GamerGate is mostly anti-feminist/"SJW", while Anti-GamerGate is mostly pro-feminist/"SJW" or feminist/"SJW"-neutral. [footnote]At this point, at least; things can change from week to week on this thing. [/footnote]

 

[Soviet Heavy]

As somebody who doesn't give a fuck about GamerGate or the like, can someone try to explain to me what each side's intentions are?

Pro-GamerGate stands for?

Anti-GamerGate stands for?

An easy summation (at the risk of some over-simplification) is that Pro-GamerGate is mostly anti-feminist, while Anti-GamerGate is mostly pro-feminist or feminist-neutral. [footnote]At this point, at least; things can change from week to week on this thing. [/footnote]

And this has what to do with journalistic integrity?

In another word: whwuh?

This shit makes no sense at all. I feel like some outside observer watching two sweaty fat guys trying to fight while slipping on their sweat puddles.

 

[Skatologist]

As somebody who doesn't give a fuck about GamerGate or the like, can someone try to explain to me what each side's intentions are?

Pro-GamerGate stands for?

Anti-GamerGate stands for?

An easy summation (at the risk of some over-simplification) is that Pro-GamerGate is mostly anti-feminist, while Anti-GamerGate is mostly pro-feminist or feminist-neutral. [footnote]At this point, at least; things can change from week to week on this thing. [/footnote]

*Cough* Some will say they aren't anti feminists because of the TFYC thing and just hate was can be deemed "social justice feminism" along with pointing out a video of a feminist saying she doesn't like this brand of cultural sexism in games feminism. *cough*

 

[Adultism]

This is really serious, oh my god so serious. I log on for the first time in like 3 months to see this? Everyone is getting so mad though I'm kinda laughing at you guys right now. Its funny when hackers get butthurt, if my internet shuts off I have other things I can do, like my girlfriend

ANyways don't let the hackers get you butthurt the word keeps on spinning as tippy said just let them do what they want because what can you do?

 

[Bat Vader]

I honestly don't care about any of this GamerGate or anti-GamerGate thing but when people take down a website I enjoy just because they dislike something it tends to really anger me. I hope the people responsible are found and something terrible happens to them.

 

[BreakfastMan]

As somebody who doesn't give a fuck about GamerGate or the like, can someone try to explain to me what each side's intentions are?

Pro-GamerGate stands for?

Anti-GamerGate stands for?

An easy summation (at the risk of some over-simplification) is that Pro-GamerGate is mostly anti-feminist, while Anti-GamerGate is mostly pro-feminist or feminist-neutral. [footnote]At this point, at least; things can change from week to week on this thing. [/footnote]

And this has what to do with journalistic integrity?

In another word: whwuh?

This shit makes no sense at all. I feel like some outside observer watching two sweaty fat guys trying to fight while slipping on their sweat puddles.

Not a whole lot; "Journalistic integrity" is just something used to attack feminist writers who often have close ties to the indie community and to fuel anti-Anita style conspiracy theories. They have gone all out on attacking people like Leigh Alexander while leaving people like Geoff Keighly alone. They have stumbled onto a couple minor things, like disclosure of patreon donations, but they have avoided the big stuff, like the influence of big AAA pubs. They also attack publications that are pro-feminist like RPS and Polygon, even though those sites have a pretty damn good record compared to places like IGN and GameSpot.

EDIT: Basically, "journalistic integrity" is to GamerGate what "states rights" is to the fight in the US for marriage equality.

 

[Kungfusam]

As somebody who doesn't give a fuck about GamerGate or the like, can someone try to explain to me what each side's intentions are?

Pro-GamerGate stands for?

Anti-GamerGate stands for?

An easy summation (at the risk of some over-simplification) is that Pro-GamerGate is mostly anti-feminist, while Anti-GamerGate is mostly pro-feminist or feminist-neutral. [footnote]At this point, at least; things can change from week to week on this thing. [/footnote]

And this has what to do with journalistic integrity?

In another word: whwuh?

This shit makes no sense at all. I feel like some outside observer watching two sweaty fat guys trying to fight while slipping on their sweat puddles.

Not a whole lot; "Journalistic integrity" is just something used to attack feminist writers who often have close ties to the indie community and to fuel anti-Anita style conspiracy theories. They have gone all out on attacking people like Leigh Alexander while leaving people like Geoff Keighly alone. They have stumbled onto a couple minor things, like disclosure of patreon donations, but they have avoided the big stuff, like the influence of big AAA pubs. They also attack publications that are pro-feminist like RPS and Polygon, even though those sites have a pretty damn good record compared to places like IGN and GameSpot.

No, this is about all the corrupt game "journalists" but since RPS Polygon Kotaku ect are proven to be the most dubious alot of the focus is on them

Leigh Alexander is a bully who makes jokes about destroying peoples dreams, I'm not sure why you'd defend her

Most annoying thing is people desperate to claim its misogyny, shows they haven't actually paid attention to whats going on, but they have to say something or else face retribution from the church of social justice

 

[shrekfan246]

Leigh Alexander is a bully who makes jokes about destroying peoples dreams, I'm not sure why you'd defend her

Funny how nobody on the pro-GamerGate side says the same things about that Milo guy from Breitbart, or InternetAristocrat, or Davis Aurini... apparently, being a "bully" is okay when you're supporting the "right" agenda.

Most annoying thing is people desperate to claim its misogyny, shows they haven't actually paid attention to whats going on, but they have to say something or else face retribution from the church of social justice

Actually, the most annoying thing is all of the people claiming GamerGate is just about journalistic integrity right before going on to take snipes at social justice advocates. And since literally no journalist who isn't widely known as a social justice advocate has been accused of "corruption" so far...

Be safe, and try not to get an aneurysm.

Avoiding the forums is probably one of the better options these days.

I don't use the term lightly, but it's honestly kind of depressing seeing the bile that's come out because of this whole thing. All of the arbitrary lines drawn in the sand, people being shoehorned in to "sides" simply because they choose to remain skeptical, all of the petty character assassination, the self-aggrandizing and unironic blasting of "the opponent's" agenda while pushing their own with the exact same rhetoric, professional journalists stooping to insults, people saying they're not trying to exclude women while promoting the works of genuinely sexist people, conspiracy theories flying off the walls everywhere you look, just... *sigh* I thought the gaming community was better than this, and I'm sad to be proven wrong every single day for going on six weeks now.

For the sake of my own sanity, I'm probably just going to ignore the forums entirely for the next few days. Just stick to the user group that's been the main reason I've stuck around here for so long in the first place.

 

[M0rp43vs]

First gamergate started for integrity after journalists destroyed a charity for women, but since journalists posted racist things on twitter its basically asking for their resignations at this point. Whats been said just can't be forgotten and forgiven.

anti-gamergate is saying gamergate is an angry hypocritical misogynist mob out to stop free speech. They want it to go away, and they are mostly concerned with defending internet celebrities. Spearheaded by journalists accused of corruption.

Thats the gist of it.

No, no. See, Gamergates are a bunch of lonely virgin loser manchilds who are jealous of any success a woman can have while anti Gamergates are a bunch of perfect paragons of justice who can do no wrong what so ever. There is absolutely nothing more to it than that. /s

Honestly the hate of GG probably outweighs any hate FROM GG by a huge margin.

OT: Weird timezones meant I missed this. Kinda like showing up to a theatre just as they start taking things down. Feel like I missed a good show.