- Oct 28, 2013
You are writing off someone you respected because the only comments he made were against over-zealousness and harassment? I think he was warning against what you're doing now - partitioning people off into warring factions. And he said it calmly and rationally, rather than shouting at the wind as aptly put it. He's a lot calmer than a lot of heads in here have been and I think it's not only wrong but grossly dismissive to say that his response was a "half-assed" one.NuclearKangaroo said:ok i mightve jumped the gun hereBarbas said:You've just repeated what the last person said to me...are you surmising that I'm untrustworthy because I solely blamed the person who committed the deed and not a whole crowd of people? Does this mean you're going to label me as being "against" you now?NuclearKangaroo said:when its one guy in the gamergate crowd, its the gamergate crowd's faultBarbas said:I side with Jim, who sides with Ganondorf (Peace be upon Him) - The person who hacked represents only the person who hacked. We cannot currently say more.erttheking said:Yes, what happened here was pretty damn despicable. I'm still staying neutral in this whole mess though. Still way too much garbage going on on both sides. (Also, I have to say, are we certain that this was an anti-GG move? We sure it wasn't just someone trying to piss people off?)Witty Name Here said:Archon confirmed that it's a DDoS attack. It's specifically going after the Gamergate thread.BobDobolina said:It goes even deeper. The "hardware failure" explanation was planted on the Escapist's twitter by the Illuminati. They've been behind the SJW agenda all along. The Shriners and the Reptoids from Zeta Reticuli are in on it too. No one is safe.Witty Name Here said:To anyone curious.
You have no leg to stand on.
The simple fact of the matter is the world sees the Anti-GG types for what they are now. This hacking is because they disrespect the basic tenants of free speech. They hate, loathe, the loss of their control. They're desperate to silence the opposition and will use any means necessary to do so.
This is what the SJW side is truly like. This is what those who look at all the evidence and are still Anti-GG support.
Doxxing, Hacking, DDoS, these are the tools those who are against Gamergate. They can't win with logic. They can't win with the press. They're now trying (and failing) to win with borderline illegal methods and threatening those who support Gamergate into silence.
when its one guy in the anti-gamer gate crowd, its the fault of that guy in the anti-gamer gate crowd
i wonder if jim will address this... no im sure he wont
Come on now, Nuclear. This is ridiculous. It's not rational. We all want more from this industry, but this isn't the way to go about it. And Jim did address it on twitlonger [http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1s5bla7] (though he was reluctant to). After you just put words in my mouth, can you really blame the man for his reluctance? He sees what's happening here.
Do you not see it, Nuclear? People, human beings, have had their personal lives scrutinized. Strangers have rifled through their personal information and correspondences with all the gleeful abandon of a witchfinder general. They've found themselves put on all sorts of lists for things they have and haven't said.
Angry mobs aren't known for building edifices, they're known for rioting and tearing them down. That is not worth the change you are asking for. It cannot be forced. Calmer heads will prevail here.
but its just hearing about jim right now infuriates me, he has not addressed this properly, that tweetlonger was very half-assed and in none of his videos has he ever addressed the abuses of the anti-gamergate side, hell they probably just DDoS'd the very website he works for and he still wont talk about it
he wont address it, he will just keep refering to the abuses of the gamergate side, he will keep contradicting all of his previous statements...
jim is not a calm head, not by a long shot, he wouldnt have jumped into zoe's story like he did otherwise
im done with jim
...And as for the website being DDoS'd by "the anti-GamerGate side", such investigations are best left to the professionals:
Maybe you're simply gathering more and more damning evidence and firing more and more ammunition and gaining more and more ground...for nothing. Look around in this very thread alone at the people who are eager to call this a "war". Wars have casualties, Nuclear, and this one has already chalked up quite a few. For all those lost careers and threatened families, who's going to win? What's going to be left standing? What exactly do you think you're doing?
What are you achieving here? I mean you personally. All the meaningful words are being exchanged by calm heads higher up. You know that, because you've seen both their private conversations and their public words on the matter. All you're doing is jumping to conclusions and pouncing on anything that looks like it might be evidence and taking it anyway if it isn't. It's probable that we'll find out some unknown joker DDoS'd the site and you were all led along by your indignation.
This is a mob. These are not the actions of reasonable people. It's time to stop.