well, the the escapist was just attacked.

[vallorn]

As somebody who doesn't give a fuck about GamerGate or the like, can someone try to explain to me what each side's intentions are?

Pro-GamerGate stands for?

Anti-GamerGate stands for?

An easy summation (at the risk of some over-simplification) is that Pro-GamerGate is mostly anti-feminist, while Anti-GamerGate is mostly pro-feminist or feminist-neutral. [footnote]At this point, at least; things can change from week to week on this thing. [/footnote]

And this has what to do with journalistic integrity?

In another word: whwuh?

This shit makes no sense at all. I feel like some outside observer watching two sweaty fat guys trying to fight while slipping on their sweat puddles.

Ignore him, Breakfast Man has been repeatedly deploying logical fallacies and the like onto the GamerGate thread. He's one of the people who deeply desires this to be all about women and misogyny which, if it was that, wouldn't explain why Archon changed the code of ethics for ALL Delfy Media websites because of things that the GG movement brought up.

Pro Gamergate are for a solid journalistic code of ethics (like this site introduced) and a general reduction in clickbait articles (As Archon himself has pointed out the latter is very hard due to low returns and THE PROGRAM WHICH SHALL NOT BE NAMED). Some in the Pro Gamergate also try to hang concerns about certain high profile feminists and organizations that get extremely supportive press on the banner but in the end all we want is for game journalists not to write more 'Gamers Are Dead' articles and to police their ethics better.

Anti gamergate seem to believe that since Gamergate's spark was a woman's infidelity and abuse of her male partner (and yes, Zoe Quinn exhibits many signs of having been an abusive partner) that Gamergate is about misogyny and a desire to harass women (This is a logical fallacy commonly known as the Genetic Fallacy), this is despite the Pro Gamergate side reporting any harassment from either side to the relevant authorities and signing en masse a petition by Boogie to condemn harassment from all sides. Others on the AGG side seem to believe that as some conservatives like Brietbart and Adam Baldwin are reporting favorably on the Gamergate movement all Gamergaters must be extreme conservatives (Guilty By Association fallacy)

There's a ton of sub movements within the greater movement as is common to any decentralized internet movement and I, as a GamerGate activist repeatedly condemn embarrassment and press GamerGate activists to stay civil and polite. I reported any harassment that I saw to the relevant authorities because any harassment is bad no matter what the ideology is and I wish the extremists on both sides screaming slurs at one another would just shut up and let us deal with the journos who have breached journalistic ethics.

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

First gamergate started for integrity after journalists destroyed a charity for women

wat

I mean, I was here, on this site, when the first thread about the issue was really put up, and half of the complaints were about how Zoe was a slut. Not saying that that is all anybody cared about, but to say that people weren't saying shit like that is blatantly false.

 

[Fappy]

Here's my conspiracy theory: pro-GamerGate script kitty staged the attack so that it looked like anti-GG people were trying to shut down the discussion by force!

So when the pro gamergate side accuses of one of their opponents of doxing or hacking themselves you (rightly) criticize them for it, but when someone attacks the pro gamergate side it's perfectly reasonable to assume they did it to their own side. That's not hypocritical at all

By calling it a "conspiracy theory" you realize I am being sarcastic, right? Right?!

God I hope so.

 

[BathorysGraveland2]

I was wondering what that was all about. So now this fucking gamer gate crap is affecting people who aren't involved. Perfect...

 

[Jux]

First gamergate started for integrity after journalists destroyed a charity for women

wat

I mean, I was here, on this site, when the first thread about the issue was really put up, and half of the complaints were about how Zoe was a slut. Not saying that that is all anybody cared about, but to say that people weren't saying shit like that is blatantly false.

Gamergate came way after that. People think of it was the zoe quinn thing but it didn't start until TFYC and Adam Baldwin showed up.

Gamergate came out of the revelation that TFYC was silenced by corrupt journalists. Who then posted racist shit like wanting to start violence against blacks for oogling white women.

Historical revisionism and cherry picking at its finest. You may as well say the american revolutionary war didn't start till july 4th 1776 because before then the declaration of independence hadn't been signed yet.

 

[vallorn]

Here's my conspiracy theory: pro-GamerGate script kitty staged the attack so that it looked like anti-GG people were trying to shut down the discussion by force!

So when the pro gamergate side accuses of one of their opponents of doxing or hacking themselves you (rightly) criticize them for it, but when someone attacks the pro gamergate side it's perfectly reasonable to assume they did it to their own side. That's not hypocritical at all

By calling it a "conspiracy theory" you realize I am being sarcastic, right? Right?!

God I hope so.

Don't get too ruffled it's been a long 5 weeks and sarcasm in text is hard to read at the best of times. If it's any condolences I did pick up on it though.

(Though I did like the 'Script Kitty' part. The Internet Is Made Of Cats after all.)

 

[Fappy]

Here's my conspiracy theory: pro-GamerGate script kitty staged the attack so that it looked like anti-GG people were trying to shut down the discussion by force!

So when the pro gamergate side accuses of one of their opponents of doxing or hacking themselves you (rightly) criticize them for it, but when someone attacks the pro gamergate side it's perfectly reasonable to assume they did it to their own side. That's not hypocritical at all

By calling it a "conspiracy theory" you realize I am being sarcastic, right? Right?!

God I hope so.

Don't get too ruffled it's been a long 5 weeks and sarcasm in text is hard to read at the best of times. If it's any condolences I did pick up on it though.

(Though I did like the 'Script Kitty' part. The Internet Is Made Of Cats after all.)

(It probably would have made more sense if I still had my cat avatar XD)

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

First gamergate started for integrity after journalists destroyed a charity for women

wat

I mean, I was here, on this site, when the first thread about the issue was really put up, and half of the complaints were about how Zoe was a slut. Not saying that that is all anybody cared about, but to say that people weren't saying shit like that is blatantly false.

Gamergate came way after that. People think of it was the zoe quinn thing but it didn't start until TFYC and Adam Baldwin showed up.

Gamergate came out of the revelation that TFYC was silenced by corrupt journalists. Who then posted racist shit like wanting to start violence against blacks for oogling white women.

No. It started when people started going after quinn. Sure, it got a name much later, but it started with going after quinn. That's when people started making threads, that's wen people started getting kicked out of /v/ and reddit, that's when this started. And people knew about TFYC from the first thread. I remember reading about that right off the bat.

I'm not even of the opinion that all the people gamergate is going after are completely blameless (though going after the Gearbox guy is ridiculous because he never claimed to actually have used his connections to get better reviews, he was saying that there was more evidence that he did than that many of the developers gamergate was going after did, but hey, I bet you have a perfect explanation for why we ought to assume the absolute worst about his statements), but it started with the misogynistic nonsense.

 

[Albetta]

So, the anti-GGers did attack the site right?

 

[Dante dynamite]

Wonder who did it. The escapist as a whole seems neither a bastion of gamergate nor fully against it. Unless there's some appearance we put across from the outside, that is. Seems like it'd be hard to believe that it'd be completely unrelated, but what side did it? Unless, of course, it's someone just doing it for fun, getting a kick out of the fallout.

All we know is that Ben Kuchera was yelling at Greg Tito yesterday to censor his forums about that very thread.

Today this happens and the thread is attacked.

Take that as you will.

People on Forbes are sharpening their pitchforks against Ben Kuchera. Oh and Randy Pitchford too.

He went after Forbes for covering the DDOS.

whoa where is this about Randy Pitchford and Ben Kuchera going against this source please?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2014/09/20/the-escapist-forums-brought-down-in-ddos-attack/

Forbes points out the strange timing.

https://twitter.com/DuvalMagic/status/513418825966968834

this almost got lost in the DDOS. lucky twitter remembers all. We got more context now.

There was an argument on twitter with Randy Pitchford denying any corruption after a developer that works at the company bragged on twitter about using friendships to get better scores for Borderlands.

And the best part: He was bragging to "disprove" gamergate by exposing corruption people didn't know about because he wasn't tied in the current web of friendships.

This is fucking hilarious. Its like a stoner smoking in front of a cop to "prove" cops are ineffective.

Then Randy Pitchford went off on forbes. Just because. He got schooled by a Forbes writer.

So Gearbox now has a PR disaster on its hands because a developer on twitter posting incriminating tweets.

This is the best thing to happen ever. All off the internet drama from all of my threads don't even scratch this. If I was the one to cover this, this would have been the crown jewel in my internet drama series.

EDIT: Now Randy is talking about some of his customers being worthless. Quality advertising there! Twitter screen capped it and its making the rounds.

"Buy our game, because you are worthless and we hate you." - gearbox.

damn link is down, anyone got a screen cap, the only thing I've heard is that Internet aristocrat called randy out for a comment about something around the lines of I don't care if my customer are duped by fake reviews and keeps talking about how he's on a plane and can't check the vocaroo IA made http://vocaroo.com/i/s0orzYZ9cQGa
and hasn't replied back

 

[Ilovechocolatemilk]

First gamergate started for integrity after journalists destroyed a charity for women

wat

I mean, I was here, on this site, when the first thread about the issue was really put up, and half of the complaints were about how Zoe was a slut. Not saying that that is all anybody cared about, but to say that people weren't saying shit like that is blatantly false.

Gamergate came way after that. People think of it was the zoe quinn thing but it didn't start until TFYC and Adam Baldwin showed up.

Gamergate came out of the revelation that TFYC was silenced by corrupt journalists. Who then posted racist shit like wanting to start violence against blacks for oogling white women.

No. It started when people started going after quinn. Sure, it got a name much later, but it started with going after quinn. That's when people started making threads, that's wen people started getting kicked out of /v/ and reddit, that's when this started. And people knew about TFYC from the first thread. I remember reading about that right off the bat.

I'm not even of the opinion that all the people gamergate is going after are completely blameless (though going after the Gearbox guy is ridiculous because he never claimed to actually have used his connections to get better reviews, he was saying that there was more evidence that he did than that many of the developers gamergate was going after did, but hey, I bet you have a perfect explanation for why we ought to assume the absolute worst about his statements), but it started with the misogynistic nonsense.

Do you even know what the word misogynist means? The dictionary says it means "hatred of all women".

How does hating one, or a handful of awful people, equate to hatred of all women?

 

[Something Amyss]

So when the pro gamergate side accuses of one of their opponents of doxing or hacking themselves you (rightly) criticize them for it, but when someone attacks the pro gamergate side it's perfectly reasonable to assume they did it to their own side. That's not hypocritical at all

The irony there is that the people who were accusing everyone under the sun of faking their own Doxxxx are now onboard whole-heartedly, and that seems to not be at all problematic for most people.

Before anyone sets in on me:
1. I know Fappy was being sarcastic, but this is a salient point anyway.

2. I've already sounded off on the radical concept of waiting until real information is in. Something I was in favour of with the Quinnspiracy theories, too. Honestly, I would like evidence for any affirmative claim on the matter. That it was Anti-Gamegate people, that it was Gamergate people trying to stir shit, that Skynet was born on this day and was testing its power, or that Al Gore is just sick of the argument and hit the "off" button. Because that's what this sort of thing needs. Evidence.

 

[Something Amyss]

Do you even know what the word misogynist means? The dictionary says it means "hatred of all women".

Well, there's more than one dictionary, and dictionaries aren't the end all of word usage. Typing "misogyny" into Google gets you several variant definitions within the first few hits. Same for misogynist, though misogynist returns misogyny hits anyway.

For example:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/misogynist

a person who hates, dislikes, mistrusts, or mistreats women.

I guess the question is: do you know what the word misogynist means? Because it doesn't look like you do, or you're quote mining a very specific definition in an attempt to knock down another, viable meaning.

 

[Weaver]

Who would gain from attacking the forums?

Either the "anti-gameragate" side trying to censor discussion or the "pro-gamergate" side trying to make the "anti-gamergate" side look like they're trying to stop discussion.

 

[runic knight]

So, the anti-GGers did attack the site right?

Honestly, I don't think we know. It is the general assumption, since it was that thread that was being targeted specifically, and it correlates to various other hacks and personal threatening calls of people involved in gamergate itself, but nothing proving it that I am aware of and no one taking credit that I know, unless I missed something.

 

[Something Amyss]

Either the "anti-gameragate" side trying to censor discussion or the "pro-gamergate" side trying to make the "anti-gamergate" side look like they're trying to stop discussion.

Or someone bored looking to kick a hornet's nest.

 

[Grayjack]

Why the hell is this GamerGate thing even a big deal?

 

[Ilovechocolatemilk]

Do you even know what the word misogynist means? The dictionary says it means "hatred of all women".

Well, there's more than one dictionary, and dictionaries aren't the end all of word usage. Typing "misogyny" into Google gets you several variant definitions within the first few hits. Same for misogynist, though misogynist returns misogyny hits anyway.

For example:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/misogynist

a person who hates, dislikes, mistrusts, or mistreats women.

I guess the question is: do you know what the word misogynist means? Because it doesn't look like you do, or you're quote mining a very specific definition in an attempt to knock down another, viable meaning.

I gave you a viable meaning. By the latin root, miso- is a prefix meaning hate. -gyny is a suffix meaning female. Put together, it means hatred of females, and by the dictionary definition, it means "a hatred of women".

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/misogyny

Again, how does hating one or several women equate to hatred of all women?

To wit, this is like saying, "You hate Michael Vick, therefore you're a racist." The logic doesn't follow. Hating one individual who happens to be black does not make the person automatically a racist. Similarly, hating one reprehensible woman does not mean you hate all women.

 

[Erttheking]

Who would gain from attacking the forums?

Either the "anti-gameragate" side trying to censor discussion or the "pro-gamergate" side trying to make the "anti-gamergate" side look like they're trying to stop discussion.

Or a twat being a twat and trying to get people riled up. If that hypothetical situation turned out to be true, he/she is getting their wish.

 

[runic knight]

Do you even know what the word misogynist means? The dictionary says it means "hatred of all women".

Well, there's more than one dictionary, and dictionaries aren't the end all of word usage. Typing "misogyny" into Google gets you several variant definitions within the first few hits. Same for misogynist, though misogynist returns misogyny hits anyway.

For example:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/misogynist

a person who hates, dislikes, mistrusts, or mistreats women.

I guess the question is: do you know what the word misogynist means? Because it doesn't look like you do, or you're quote mining a very specific definition in an attempt to knock down another, viable meaning.

By that loose definition, can you tell me the difference, objectively, to use of "misogynist" between insulting a woman, sending a threat to a woman, criticizing a woman and hating a woman. And do it in such a way that those differences are both noted and that the counterpart to the word, misandry, applies the same to such actions towards men?

The problem I have with such a loose definition of the words is that it is essentially bastardizing the English language and castrating the word itself to spread it thinner. "mistrust" or "mistreats" specifically are so worthlessly vague that any sort of negative interaction with a woman becomes misogyny and any sort of negative interaction with a man becomes misandry. And to borrow the spirit of a quote "when everything is sexist, nothing is."