What does the world have against America?
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No... but everyone knows that after the cold war Russia hasn´t being involved in any "open war" against anyone, whereas the U.S has kept approaching the militaristic approach to its economy, and if things get too bad, they can always start a "war" somewhere just for the hell of it.DarkArk said:
you just said halve of what i was going to say, the other halve is the blatant Racism and patriotism most guys in the United States have, i know that it will be hard to find someone here on the escapist, but get on youtube, or other more public space and you get the redneck and his cousins calling you a piece of vile stupid scum just because you are from another country... and double that if the people on your country is dark colored, hell, i remember watching a video that had a lot of comments in some language that i dont understand, and the very first comment was "SPEAK ENLISH BUNCH OF TARDS OR GO BACK TO YOUR OUN COUNTRY!"Fieldy409 said:
in a channel solely in one language, ¬¬ made exclusively for people that speak that language... the nerve of some people... its as if i got here and said "ORA CULEROS! HABLEN ESPAÑÓL DESGRACIADOS O LARGUENZÉ A SU PAÍS"
Chechnya and Georgia?HentMas said:
Socrates, not Aristotle. IIRC, technically he was done for "questioning" and "corrupting the youth" rather than criticising.Alistar said:
You're right, I was assuming the Japanese would realise they couldn't successfully take and hold anything to speak off, which doesn't fit with the mindset of the time.DarkArk said:
I take your point, but IMHO, one or the other would eventually have to win, and I would expect it to be the USSR. However, I must admit I'm not a military analyst.DarkArk said:
U Mad Bro?hubert said:
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Wow, so you insult someone for being a patriot. Good Show ole chap. I don't really care where you're from, because if it's not from America then it doesn't matter. Unless it Japan, or China, they make all our stuff.
Now if you read past all my pro-America stuff you'll see I do have a few grivences. Also, if you're not a patriot for your country, you're either from Greece or Antartica.
Other than that, learn to love and tolerate..
Considering America is supposedly the leader of the Western world, its frightfully backwards in certain cases (the death penalty and gay rights, for example).
Although, I wouldn't say that's enough of a reason to hate an entire country (although I suppose there's a distinction between hating America, and hating Americans) as large and diverse as America.
Another thing would be religion's domination of the political landscape though: I've never heard a politician over here bring religion into any argument, CERTAINLY not one that impacts on other people's rights, but in the States you can't get away from it.
Although, I wouldn't say that's enough of a reason to hate an entire country (although I suppose there's a distinction between hating America, and hating Americans) as large and diverse as America.
Another thing would be religion's domination of the political landscape though: I've never heard a politician over here bring religion into any argument, CERTAINLY not one that impacts on other people's rights, but in the States you can't get away from it.
It probably has to do with how we stick our noses in other people's business all the time, and the stereotype that we Americans are loud and obnoxious doesn't help at all.
Not all Americans are like that, but it's a small, overly loud minority that has to ruin it for everyone else.
I just wish we could put a muzzle on them...
Not all Americans are like that, but it's a small, overly loud minority that has to ruin it for everyone else.
I just wish we could put a muzzle on them...
This is one of the biggest problems have with America, this ignorant revisionist history which has no grounding in reality that gets shoved in the rest of the worlds faces.Timberwolf0924 said:
America was not a major player in WWI, it was barely a footnote. America did not single handedly defeat the Nazis, the Russian contribution was of far, far, far, greater importance. Hell, even in the war against Japan (the only theatre in which America can be said to have played a decisive role), the vast majority of the Japanese army was busy ravaging China or fighting the Empire in Burma and Malaya. Here endeth the lesson Timberwolf0924, oh and by the way, no respected historian says anything of the sort.
To me, this over glorification of both its involvement in WWI and WWII and the culture of the US in general seems almost childish. Its almost as if the USA is in need of constant self validation of its own history, without which the country would tear itself apart.
I just don't like the image of itself that America presents of itself to the rest of the world, as if its some glittering utopia when in reality socially, politically and economically its bearly holding itself together.
I dont like the ignorance America shows to the rest of the world either (going back to its woefully inadequate eduction system) with its continuing perpetration of stereotypes that ceased to be valid 50 or 60 years ago.
Most American sicoms also drive me nuts. They are not funny or even remotely interesting so please stop exporting that crap to the rest of the world. In fact, the only area of comedy in which americans can be called funny is political satire.
The thing i hate most about America, the one thing i really loathe and despise is the overly conservative 'Christian' right wing of your political sphere. These are some of the most ignorant, and downright offensive people i have ever seen in western politics and yet to what seems like half of America they are a shining example of what it means to be an American. Its disturbing and in some ways frightening that a modern and supposedly civilised nation has such a large proportion of people that hink like this. In most of Europe the Republican party would be marginalised as raving lunatics.
I have met some wonderful Americans in my time, and on an individual level quite a few can be really nice, educated, funny, well informed people that i would happily call my friens, but as a whole, i find very few redeming features of the USA.
American here. I would just like to point out that:
I hate the Bipartisan government. I hate the fact that you have a much harder time getting into office if you are not explicitly christian. I hate the fact that Bachman and Palin were even considered a good choice for any position of power. I hate the people in the south who are still butthurt over the civil war. I hate the rampant racism. I hate the blind nationalism. I hate the constant drone of political correctness. I hate the nonsense on a majority of the television stations. I hate the uneducated ignorant masses who feel that being in the land of the free means your opinion should carry weight.
Above all I hate the fact that all of these people define what this nation is in the eyes of the world despite being only small but vocal fraction of the entire population.
I hate the Bipartisan government. I hate the fact that you have a much harder time getting into office if you are not explicitly christian. I hate the fact that Bachman and Palin were even considered a good choice for any position of power. I hate the people in the south who are still butthurt over the civil war. I hate the rampant racism. I hate the blind nationalism. I hate the constant drone of political correctness. I hate the nonsense on a majority of the television stations. I hate the uneducated ignorant masses who feel that being in the land of the free means your opinion should carry weight.
Above all I hate the fact that all of these people define what this nation is in the eyes of the world despite being only small but vocal fraction of the entire population.
Actually, I would say this post should be reasonably ignored.Captain Chemosh said:
Especially since he's British.
Why you might ask? Because a lot of the problems in the Middle East are actually results of the British fucking around in it. In fact, they renege on a deal set up by T.E. Lawrence (Lawrence of Arabia. all of this back in the aftermath of WWI) that would have granted Arab independence and continued to dick around in the area until they were forced out.
The Iran situation up to this point is all a result of the British government asking the Americans for a small favor to dispose of a democratically elected leader who wanted to seize their land back from British companies, who were drilling up oil. As a result, they got a dictator who was very much for the West but also very much a horrid person. This lead to the Iranian revolution which, more or less, put Iran in the spot it is now. Naturally, this is only America's fault.
Many of the things people whine about concerning the Americans can easily be pointed right back at the British, who were largely doing the same things until fairly recently.
Then again, this is all a matter of what's being told in the media. Believe it or not, but news sources based in Europe are actually quite censored or more reserved. It doesn't help that there are different mentalities there too.
Case in point, what people consider police brutality. A cop pepper sprays a bunch of people and he's demonized and the entire incident will be all over the news of how the entire legal system is fucked up and that American cops are brutal and sadistic monsters. Meanwhile, in Germany, you mouth off to a cop and you will get your ass beat and then probably beat again once your in custody. Their media will simply report it as some rabble-rouser getting put in his place by proper authorities, if it gets reported at all.
People here cry about the whole SOPA thing, but the problem is that most of your countries already censor things like you wouldn't believe. Like Aussieland and video games. Or Britain and its love of superinjunctions. The only reason why SOPA is such a big deal is because America is doing it. Never mind that France tried to pass the same thing, which failed.
Like it was stated, we pretty much air our dirty laundry on a flag pole. We also like to play up stereotypes because they're easy to remember. That's the only reason why you remember all Southerners being backwards hicks with thick accents and a utter love for guns and incest. Or that every New Yorker is an asshole. Or even that every American is a gun loving, flag waving, ultra patriot with a hard on for the red, white and blue 24/7. When in reality, they're not. They're just people.
And honestly, people like to hate America for the same reason people like to hate Justin Beiber. It's easy and popular. No one is going to look at things in context, or even look thoroughly into something. They see their friends hating on it and just decide to join in.
It didn't help the Nazis that their leader was also tactically stupid and facing an enemy who simply had far more people to throw at the enemy. After all, quantity has a quality all of its own. All he really had to do was learn when to cut his losses or go for objectives that are strategically important first.DarkArk said:
Like oil fields and enemy military installations.
It's because you're ignorant hypocrites.
Ask Noam Chomsky.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pfcW0_sSuw
Ask Noam Chomsky.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pfcW0_sSuw
Because we're imperialist dicks, and recently crashed the global economy. Also because we're better looking.
You just listed almost every single issue I have with america. I feel sorry for you, being represented by this bunch of morons to the outside world.Cpu46 said:
The US is increasingly marginal to global politics but doesn't realize it. After decades of being the only world superpower, we have to share the table with many other first-world, nuclear-capable democracies who continue to edge us out in fields like science research, standard of living, and education. But we still strut around and throw our bloated military around the world wherever we feel like it, because that's how foreign policy worked when there were only two superpowers and they hated each other.
We had plans to build a huge particle accelerator, you know, but we cut its funding back before the turn of the century. Now, that feat belongs to Europe, and with it the cutting edge of science. You say "Oh, well, particle physics, what does that even have to do with me?" not realizing that the computer you're typing on works because of the discovery of Quantum Physics.
Science and technology have always been the reason for the strength of nations, and yet we cut education, and we cut NASA, and science has to go hat in hand before Congress to beg for money. Science has to beg for money from people who "aren't nerds, but" and "aren't experts but have been told that", and, importantly, who may not be in office in six years so why should they pay for your research that may only see payoff in six decades? Payoff that will change the way human civilization exists, like it has repeatedly throughout history. The future means nothing to a culture that lionizes greed for greed's own sake.
The rest of the world goes green and funds space research and prepares their children to be scientifically literate. We try to butcher the Internet to appease our plutocrats. We're the punchline to a stale joke.
We had plans to build a huge particle accelerator, you know, but we cut its funding back before the turn of the century. Now, that feat belongs to Europe, and with it the cutting edge of science. You say "Oh, well, particle physics, what does that even have to do with me?" not realizing that the computer you're typing on works because of the discovery of Quantum Physics.
Science and technology have always been the reason for the strength of nations, and yet we cut education, and we cut NASA, and science has to go hat in hand before Congress to beg for money. Science has to beg for money from people who "aren't nerds, but" and "aren't experts but have been told that", and, importantly, who may not be in office in six years so why should they pay for your research that may only see payoff in six decades? Payoff that will change the way human civilization exists, like it has repeatedly throughout history. The future means nothing to a culture that lionizes greed for greed's own sake.
The rest of the world goes green and funds space research and prepares their children to be scientifically literate. We try to butcher the Internet to appease our plutocrats. We're the punchline to a stale joke.
Living in England I get so much American crap pushed on me, it's like I am living in America. Nearly all of our TV, nearly every film, almost every company is American, so much American music etc etc etc
In the media Americans always seem to be portrayed the same way, fat, stupid, patriotic to an extreme and arrogant .... oh and always going on about hating commies.
I hate the way celebs are treated like gods, "you get paid millions for every little work but here are meals, free products and amazing service" ...
In the media Americans always seem to be portrayed the same way, fat, stupid, patriotic to an extreme and arrogant .... oh and always going on about hating commies.
I hate the way celebs are treated like gods, "you get paid millions for every little work but here are meals, free products and amazing service" ...
Think about it this way. If world war II had never happened, america never would have been allies with russia and thus would have made nuclear war far more likely. Does this mean we should all love the nazis?Fieldy409 said:
I'm sorry, what? Do you really think anybody still cares about the British Empire? The only people who still remember that there even WAS an empire are British nationalists. The reason Eastern extremists burn effigies of American presidents and American flags is NOT because they're angry at their oppression at the hands of the British Empire some two hundred years ago, it's because America is waging a subtle war even NOW.Starke said:
The British have indeed done terrible things. We're a culture that developed from having terrible things done to us, and doled them out in equal measure. The Norse made us their ***** for years, and that really only ended because the French came and conquered us. Then we got the upper hand, and yes. Did some nasty, terrible things.
Oh well. Nobody even cares any more. My associates care - but that's because we're all very Irish, there's a lot of pro-independence going around. My family had a castle in the 17th century, but the English destroyed it. This was hundreds of years ago. Why do you think people harbour resentment of that time?
NO. The Middle East is angry at the NOW, not at the THEN. You're delusional if you think it's somehow England's fault that America is doing what it does now. You're NOT our colony any more, you cannot justify your actions by saying 'England did it first'. You wanted independence, and you got it. Take responsibility for the actions of your country and government, Starke, because saying that we've done worse is NOT an excuse.
As for building cultures on genocide...bah, who hasn't? The Native Americans at least got the chance to preserve their heritage. Every other victim just got wiped out. The Inuits were only too happy to exterminate the original Norse Greenlanders, but everybody thinks they're friendly polar bear people...but I know their secret.
well, yes Chechnya and Georgia are good examples of War, but i´m just going to tell you that in the end, they are neighbors, and its understandable that if they have a conflict, they would resolve it as they can (yes even war)thaluikhain said:
but the U.S... they have to travel halve around the WORLD to look after their "Interests", and that's just messing with peoples lives
ok, I understand that most people in the marines or the armed corps of the united estates, try to work towards the betterment of the countries they are invading *ejem* "rescuing", but the politics behind it all?? they are so obvious that no redeeming quality actually can make us forget that the US gov proclaimed itself the police of the world and now can invade whichever country they want for whatever dumb reason they want... now, this was question as for why most peole HATE Americans, In my very personal opinion, i have to say that i do not hate "Americans", i hate their goverment, and i hate racist and overly patriotic to the point of fanatizm people, that can be said for any country or group of individuals, sadly, whenever i get online, the mayority i encounter are those guys, and my view is probably skewed
the goverment gave me a reason to "Dislike" the U.S., the people on the internet gave me a reason to "hate" the U.S. but dont get me wrong i dont think or either believe for one seccond the whole of US residents are like that, and i am sure most people think the way i do, but its easyer to put a lable on what we hate as broad as posible, heaven knows what would happen if we didnt hated someone we should be hating, thats why we say "THE WHOLE COUNTRY"
It's not the 1940s anymore, sorry dear, so don't even try to make the United States look better by invoking Nazi stereotypes.
The German police is pretty much a joke compared to the American one, and also to that of other european countries (just look at an incident in Poland this year, where a group of german protesters ran into a police that wasn't filled with softies. Their first time, actually). Protesters love dancing on their noses, because the police really cannot do all that much. The cases where the police fucked up were cases that wouldn't even make news in the US, because they happen there daily. The worst case of police brutality we had in years were water throwers used to break up a protest. Not only did worse protest-breakups happen in the last few months in the US, in Germany this actually led to the politicans that forced this getting voted out of office immediately. For the first time in decades, that part of the country now has a different party (the greens) ruling. Meanwhile, in the US, the police can happily kill non-whites, cover up rapes, brutally break up protests, and nobody cares.
Yep, thats worse. Still, the german folks that screwed up with the water throwers should get punished: ANd they did. The US being far worse does not mean they didn't screw up.
And similarly, even if German police WAS worse than the US, the US police is still horrible, so your defense doesn't even work.
"Yes, he beat them bloody and killed people, but that guy over there beat up harder!"
Claiming that any european nation is as bad as the US with police brutality is ridiculous. In Germany, you cannot get shot for being non-white and carrying a sheated knife you use since you're a woodcarver. In the US, you can get shot for this 5 seconds after the cop spotted you. Actual case, too. The murderer wasn't even actually punished.
No, it is a big deal because American policy has the potential to affect everyone in the world, even those not in the United States. Also, big difference: it FAILED in France. If you cannot comprehend the difference, I feel sorry for you.
Yes, you're an apologist for the crimes of the US, we get it. Thing is: Blaming the british doesn't work here. Even if you ignore Iran, there's more than enough countries the United States ruined. Irak for example. Or there's another. Funny story.
Remember the 11 September? No, no, not 2011 - 1973. That's when the lovely United States destroyed a nation that was considered a beacon of democracy by installing a vicious ruler that would kill hundreds and torture scores more just in the time after the coup itself.
Not to mention the lovely way your government believes that 6 americans are worth more than thousands of africans. AIDS medicine vs Anthrax.
Remember: You jumping up and shouting "but the british!" isn't helping. The british fucked up as well, yeah, but that doesn't absolve what the United States did. You yelling "but the british!" makes as much sense as Nazi Germany officials shouting "but the Japanese!" or "but Stalin!"
Yeah, Stalin was a monster, and he actually caused millions of deaths without even counting war casualities, but that still doesn't mean that the german crimes were absolved.
A crime is a crime, other people doing crimes as well does not make a crime not a crime.
Fact is, people hate the US because the US is actively causing their lifes to be worse than they could be. Nobody likes this, and nobody should have to like it.