What Ethnic Group Will Replace Nazis?

[WoahDan]

Wish the Mongol apologism would stop, whilst SOME of what they did was beneficial and they certainly weren't barbarians, that doesn't cancel out the fact they made pyramids out of human skulls.

Same with the Aztecs, they were right nasty buggers and the fact they also built a nice city doesn't cancel out that fact.

There are loads of African dictators to use, but that kinda runs into the problem of killing loads of black people *cough*RE5*cough* .

The main problem is that the modern-day baddies tend to be a lot poorer than us which kinda takes the sportsmanship out of it. The best analogue for an evil empire today probably IS the US... so why not go with that? I'd play a game where you have to fight an America-gone rogue, but then I guess I'm not american so my opinion isn't worth much on that.

To any Americans reading: Would you be put of if the main enemy of a game was your own nation gone evil?

 

[ACman]

I thoght that the entire point of this was that we wanted a group that was not morally ambiguous to kill.

I thunk there are too many unfortunate implications about lots of white teenagers killing lots of black people in a video game.

Also add in the fact that the reason people are so up in arms about Kony is his use of child soldiers so who do you think you'd be fighting?

 

[Quorothorn]

I suppose this goes back to that general lack of creativity going around right now. Let's just go over and over WWII and afterwards. Why no WWI games, even??

Fallout New Vegas was different in how a possible central enemy faction was a group trying to be a new Roman Empire in post-apocalyptic Nevada and kind of failing. But then, that's a RPG-shooter, not a "modern" shooter.

Really, games placed firmly in older historical settings in general might be nice. Seems if you want to fight things with a sword these days, you *usually* have to do it in some "alternate world" fantasy setting i.e. Skyrim--and then magic always gets introduced into the equation. How come I've only been able to fight in the Hundred Years' War in Age of Empires?

The Mongols were actually pretty cool. They conquered bloodily and horribly, but in their empire shit was awesome. There was absolute religious freedom and it was a very secure place. It was said that a man could walk from one end of the empire to the other with a plate of gold on his head and never risk being robbed.

That security was a enormous boost for land-based trading routes, which lead to great economic growth for everyone, etc.

TL;DR Mongols hardly that bad, certainly not on par with the Nazis.

Not to get too much into a historical debate, but the Mongol Empire's brand of conquest was SO over-the-top horrible that I, personally, don't think anything they did or did not do in the conquered regions afterwards makes their Empire any less "evil". The Mongol attack on Baghdad alone killed probably hundreds of thousands of people and destroyed the greatest library of the era, and their invasions of the Middle East area overall are a prime reason for why the region is unstable to this day.

As for their sometimes-overly-vaunted security, it was enforced by the threat of outright killing everyone in a town or region, and only happened because the Mongols only cared about getting their regular tributes, not because of any actual humanitarian urges. As long as you bowed down to passing Mongols (figuratively more than literally, mind) and paid them regularly whatever they wanted, they didn't actually do much positive *or* negative in those regions. Genghis Khan just wanted his and the Mongols' name to ring through history, and to get a lot of money (and, admittedly, get them out of that desert). And he killed thousands upon thousands of people to achieve that. The man was evil, and being brilliant only enhances that fact (Mongol military was perhaps the first "modern" military in its organization level--and again, that incredible organization was used to slaughter people for decades and centuries).

TL;DR It's hard to say any group in human history was "equally as evil" as the Nazis, which is one reason why Godwin's Law exits, but the Mongol Empire was a very negative force on human civilization--and one that lasted a loooot longer than the Third Reich, to boot.

 

[Batou667]

Wait, did Yahtzee just express outrage at the fact you can shoot enemies in the balls? The same Yahtzee who specifically pointed out the lack of testicles in the Mortal Kombat X-ray moves as shamelessly hypocritical?

You can't have you cake and eat it, Yahtzee, my old fellow.

 

[lastjustice]

There's the 5 universally ok things to kill....aka ultimate fodder groups

1.Aliens..long as they don't look too human-like in appearance, blast away. The greener and more bug like the better.

2. Robots, Just look at the death blows the Transformers do to each other in the movies, you'd never get away with something that gory on human being. Parts fly everywhere when they die, no one cries...(unless it's Optimus prime...*sniffles*)

3.The undead, they re usually already dead, so can't murder someone who isn't living. You're just restoring the natural order of things. Whether it's vampires, zombies,or skeletons send them back to their graves. The Belmonts been doing it for years.

4.Demons, they re pure evil usually. Again no one minds them being sent back to hell by whatever force needed to do it.

5. Nazi, Oh Hitler you crazy bastard. Your greatest achievement was giving entertainment mediums the ultimate vilains group to smash for decades to come.

 

[bimon_1234567]

Ethnically diverse PMCs who also use robots and weaponized zombies.

I rest my case.

 

[Li Mu]

Just to clear up a point Yatzee made...

What Ethnic Group Will Replace Nazis?

Yahtzee goes down the list of possible antagonists for upcoming games.

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Just to clear up a point Yatzee made...Mongols are very proud of the Khans and their empire.
They did indeed burn some libraries (those silly guys never learnt how to read) but they did also spare many.
All the Khan's were very tolerant of religion and encouraged religious tolerance in all their subjects.
That surely cannot be seen as a bad thing.

They funded advances in science and medicine, built a road which connected Asia to Europe and they introduced the world to the wonders of throat singing.

Just don't piss them off or they'll cut off your balls and stick them in your mouth.

 

[Altered Nova]

No, you do not get "great information" from torture. You get anything and everything the victim thinks you want to hear, regardless of whether it's true or not. When incoherent from agony they will say anything to make the pain stop. You end up chasing down hundreds of wild goose chases for every actual fact you learn from your victim. That's why all civilized nations save America have abandoned torture as an information gathering method - not only is it inhumane, it's completely, utterly ineffective.

And far from making the enemy suffer so greatly they give up, using torture only convinces them that they are morally superior and inspires them to continue fighting. Yes, you might take the fight out of the one guy you tortured and convince a couple of others it's not worth fighting when the risk is that terrible, but you'll also make 50 new enemies who are now convinced you are evil incarnate. Using torture is lose-lose. You don't gain any information, and you give your enemy fantastic propoganda.

 

[BehattedWanderer]

I'm rather surprised we haven't seen a game from the church's perspective that kills persons of other faiths, "witches", atheists, and those that question the church. There's a rich subject matter that hasn't much been explored yet.

 

[Professor James]

Modern Pirates?

 

[lijenstina]

1) All Humans - An humanitarian intervention of the pro - bacteria coalition of sentient mono-cellular aliens from the whole Milky Way Galaxy against genocide caused by the usage of disinfection chemicals.

2) Reality Television - mutated TV sets raise up against oppression and start killing some humans feeling threatened by the advent of the Internet in an attempt to raise views.

3) Jaffa Cakes - bored with hearing that the cake is a lie, they take over a nuke rocket facility and start a full blown nuclear war. Cake is not a lie, now you'll all die.

4) Game reviewers - Groups of fanbois instead of having internet rage fits decide to make an cos-play event with costumes made from skinned-alive reviewers.

5) Politicians and the people - Because the economic downturn, politicians now have to fight to the death for the honour of being graced by the hand of the beautiful and rich lobbyist fairy that will make them king for life. However, when a politician raises to power, he needs to feed the lobbyist fairy on the blood of ordinary, financially broke peasants or will be eaten instead.

 

[cieply]

Honestly, I think it'll be US with how they are behaving lately

 

[LadyRhian]

I don't want to be "that guy" who people think is just trolling for arguments... but I'm sick and tired of torture getting a bad name. Guess what? You get a bunch of great information from it and anyone who doesn't think so has never gone through it. This isn't your brother asking you if you borrowed his car so he pushed you under the faucet. This is all encompassing pain and misery from people professionally trained to make you talk. Moreover, I'm sure it matters to the zealots whether the torture is made up or not. To them, we're the bad guy no matter what we do. The only way to win any war is to make a people suffer so greatly that they give up. We're not going to be able to offer them half a yogurt and we're going to be school yard chums.

You say that torture is a way to get back at people who we believe wronged us, and you couldn't be more completely wrong. Torture is a tool, a tool used by people long ago who built the ancient libraries of old you're moaning about. And does anyone really have a problem with vengeance? You can make grand old speeches whenever you want, and you can make it sound really pretty good, but the only difference between vengeance and justice is that laws are written by those to which no major crime has ever occurred. Anyone... ANYONE... who is placed into a situation where a family member is greatly hurt or killed (from malice) is going to try to exact vengeance. It's not just human nature, it's RIGHT. Justice is a word for what can be pushed through a vote by a bunch of snobby, self-righteous theorists like Yahtzee. Love the reviews, but... well, he's an Aussie. What can you expect?

There's just one problem. Torture doesn't really work to get accurate information. Yes, you will get something from torturing someone, but that includes shit they pull out of their ass just to get you to STOP. And you assume the shmuck you are torturing has the information you want. What if he doesn't? You can torture him until he's dead and you won't get what you want- but you can be pretty sure he'll make up shit just to get you to stop hurting him.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2009/09/21/the-tortured-brain.html
http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/listen-sen-mccain-torture-doesnt-work
http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2009/04/top-interrogation-experts-say-torture.html

 

[Mullahgrrl]

Modern Pirates?

Wouldn't work since they are mostly forced into that profession by excessive fishing by the selfsame nations that now hunt them.

How about Americans? In Killzone there was nothing I wanted more than to join the cool masked dudes and kill the smugified, undiciplined, orderdisobaying rabble I was foisted in with.
Also that one daughter was totally hot.

 

[M0rp43vs]

America. I'm not saying this out of some blind America bashing, but with the military power that it has, any person opposing it would be an underdog and everyone loves the underdog. Seriously, last I heard they had bullets that superheat a room it's fired in and bomb that can hit a building and not damage neighbouring buildings.

Maybe write up a story about, I dunno, mass mind control a la Yuri from red alert and maybe have a theme of the soldiers having to obey orders from their superiors because they have no choice to add ambiguity, fallout and bioshock style propaganda and you could have a message of BLIND patriotism.

And for added irony, have the main character be a Russian soldier after Russia joined up with the Ex-Axis and China to stop America's attempt to take over the world "to make it safer for everyone".
Obviously, someone else could word the premise better than I can but I still think it could be a good idea. Paraphrasing Yahtzee, I much prefered where the unstoppable advance warmachine were the people we are fighting against.

That or Mongols. Conquering Bastards. Yea, I wanna hear a story of a Russian scientist accidentally using a timemachine to visit ancient mongolia and have Genghis Khan steal the timemachine to try and take over the modern world by having the captured russian scientist building weapons for them or some thing.

 

[BehattedWanderer]

I'm rather surprised we haven't seen a game from the church's perspective that kills persons of other faiths, "witches", atheists, and those that question the church. There's a rich subject matter that hasn't much been explored yet.

They have that game. It is called Left Behind: Eternal Forces. You pray away the enemies I think although you cap some of them with machine guns as well I believe.

Because nothing says redeeming the nonbelievers like eviscerating their internal organs with explosive-propelled lead, I guess. Thanks for the notice, though, I hadn't heard of a game like that. I might have been thinking about Assassin's Creed from the other perspective, but since it might actually exist, I don't want to make the joke.

 

[Aardvaarkman]

Since when were the Nazis an "ethnic group"? I thought they were part of a political/social/military movement. So, the logical equivalents would be Antidisestablishmentarians, Republicans, Marxists, Beatniks, etc.

 

[ThunderCavalier]

From Yahtzee's choices, would anyone actually be interested in a first-pesron (or third-person, as I think the engine would be more suited to that) medieval hack 'n' slash/shooter (bows) that follows one of these time periods? Not a RPG, mind you, but rather a simple hack 'n' slash where you can pick up enemy weapons along the way and use them, regenerating health or health pickups, that sort of stuff.

 

[samaugsch]

I don't want to be "that guy" who people think is just trolling for arguments... but I'm sick and tired of torture getting a bad name. Guess what? You get a bunch of great information from it and anyone who doesn't think so has never gone through it. This isn't your brother asking you if you borrowed his car so he pushed you under the faucet. This is all encompassing pain and misery from people professionally trained to make you talk. Moreover, I'm sure it matters to the zealots whether the torture is made up or not. To them, we're the bad guy no matter what we do. The only way to win any war is to make a people suffer so greatly that they give up. We're not going to be able to offer them half a yogurt and we're going to be school yard chums.

You say that torture is a way to get back at people who we believe wronged us, and you couldn't be more completely wrong. Torture is a tool, a tool used by people long ago who built the ancient libraries of old you're moaning about. And does anyone really have a problem with vengeance? You can make grand old speeches whenever you want, and you can make it sound really pretty good, but the only difference between vengeance and justice is that laws are written by those to which no major crime has ever occurred. Anyone... ANYONE... who is placed into a situation where a family member is greatly hurt or killed (from malice) is going to try to exact vengeance. It's not just human nature, it's RIGHT. Justice is a word for what can be pushed through a vote by a bunch of snobby, self-righteous theorists like Yahtzee. Love the reviews, but... well, he's an Aussie. What can you expect?

There's just one problem. Torture doesn't really work to get accurate information. Yes, you will get something from torturing someone, but that includes shit they pull out of their ass just to get you to STOP. And you assume the shmuck you are torturing has the information you want. What if he doesn't? You can torture him until he's dead and you won't get what you want- but you can be pretty sure he'll make up shit just to get you to stop hurting him.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2009/09/21/the-tortured-brain.html
http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/listen-sen-mccain-torture-doesnt-work
http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2009/04/top-interrogation-experts-say-torture.html

I'd suggest getting the person drunk to interrogate them instead. :3

 

[GonvilleBromhead]

You know, there was another war where the protagonist can slot the Hun, but not Nazi's