What Ethnic Group Will Replace Nazis?

[lijenstina]

1) All Humans - An humanitarian intervention of the pro - bacteria coalition of sentient mono-cellular aliens from the whole Milky Way Galaxy against genocide caused by the usage of disinfection chemicals.

2) Reality Television - mutated TV sets raise up against oppression and start killing some humans feeling threatened by the advent of the Internet in an attempt to raise views.

3) Jaffa Cakes - bored with hearing that the cake is a lie, they take over a nuke rocket facility and start a full blown nuclear war. Cake is not a lie, now you'll all die.

4) Game reviewers - Groups of fanbois instead of having internet rage fits decide to make an cos-play event with costumes made from skinned-alive reviewers.

5) Politicians and the people - Because the economic downturn, politicians now have to fight to the death for the honour of being graced by the hand of the beautiful and rich lobbyist fairy that will make them king for life. However, when a politician raises to power, he needs to feed the lobbyist fairy on the blood of ordinary, financially broke peasants or will be eaten instead.

 

[cieply]

Honestly, I think it'll be US with how they are behaving lately

 

[LadyRhian]

I don't want to be "that guy" who people think is just trolling for arguments... but I'm sick and tired of torture getting a bad name. Guess what? You get a bunch of great information from it and anyone who doesn't think so has never gone through it. This isn't your brother asking you if you borrowed his car so he pushed you under the faucet. This is all encompassing pain and misery from people professionally trained to make you talk. Moreover, I'm sure it matters to the zealots whether the torture is made up or not. To them, we're the bad guy no matter what we do. The only way to win any war is to make a people suffer so greatly that they give up. We're not going to be able to offer them half a yogurt and we're going to be school yard chums.

You say that torture is a way to get back at people who we believe wronged us, and you couldn't be more completely wrong. Torture is a tool, a tool used by people long ago who built the ancient libraries of old you're moaning about. And does anyone really have a problem with vengeance? You can make grand old speeches whenever you want, and you can make it sound really pretty good, but the only difference between vengeance and justice is that laws are written by those to which no major crime has ever occurred. Anyone... ANYONE... who is placed into a situation where a family member is greatly hurt or killed (from malice) is going to try to exact vengeance. It's not just human nature, it's RIGHT. Justice is a word for what can be pushed through a vote by a bunch of snobby, self-righteous theorists like Yahtzee. Love the reviews, but... well, he's an Aussie. What can you expect?

There's just one problem. Torture doesn't really work to get accurate information. Yes, you will get something from torturing someone, but that includes shit they pull out of their ass just to get you to STOP. And you assume the shmuck you are torturing has the information you want. What if he doesn't? You can torture him until he's dead and you won't get what you want- but you can be pretty sure he'll make up shit just to get you to stop hurting him.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2009/09/21/the-tortured-brain.html
http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/listen-sen-mccain-torture-doesnt-work
http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2009/04/top-interrogation-experts-say-torture.html

 

[Mullahgrrl]

Modern Pirates?

Wouldn't work since they are mostly forced into that profession by excessive fishing by the selfsame nations that now hunt them.

How about Americans? In Killzone there was nothing I wanted more than to join the cool masked dudes and kill the smugified, undiciplined, orderdisobaying rabble I was foisted in with.
Also that one daughter was totally hot.

 

[M0rp43vs]

America. I'm not saying this out of some blind America bashing, but with the military power that it has, any person opposing it would be an underdog and everyone loves the underdog. Seriously, last I heard they had bullets that superheat a room it's fired in and bomb that can hit a building and not damage neighbouring buildings.

Maybe write up a story about, I dunno, mass mind control a la Yuri from red alert and maybe have a theme of the soldiers having to obey orders from their superiors because they have no choice to add ambiguity, fallout and bioshock style propaganda and you could have a message of BLIND patriotism.

And for added irony, have the main character be a Russian soldier after Russia joined up with the Ex-Axis and China to stop America's attempt to take over the world "to make it safer for everyone".
Obviously, someone else could word the premise better than I can but I still think it could be a good idea. Paraphrasing Yahtzee, I much prefered where the unstoppable advance warmachine were the people we are fighting against.

That or Mongols. Conquering Bastards. Yea, I wanna hear a story of a Russian scientist accidentally using a timemachine to visit ancient mongolia and have Genghis Khan steal the timemachine to try and take over the modern world by having the captured russian scientist building weapons for them or some thing.

 

[BehattedWanderer]

I'm rather surprised we haven't seen a game from the church's perspective that kills persons of other faiths, "witches", atheists, and those that question the church. There's a rich subject matter that hasn't much been explored yet.

They have that game. It is called Left Behind: Eternal Forces. You pray away the enemies I think although you cap some of them with machine guns as well I believe.

Because nothing says redeeming the nonbelievers like eviscerating their internal organs with explosive-propelled lead, I guess. Thanks for the notice, though, I hadn't heard of a game like that. I might have been thinking about Assassin's Creed from the other perspective, but since it might actually exist, I don't want to make the joke.

 

[Aardvaarkman]

Since when were the Nazis an "ethnic group"? I thought they were part of a political/social/military movement. So, the logical equivalents would be Antidisestablishmentarians, Republicans, Marxists, Beatniks, etc.

 

[ThunderCavalier]

From Yahtzee's choices, would anyone actually be interested in a first-pesron (or third-person, as I think the engine would be more suited to that) medieval hack 'n' slash/shooter (bows) that follows one of these time periods? Not a RPG, mind you, but rather a simple hack 'n' slash where you can pick up enemy weapons along the way and use them, regenerating health or health pickups, that sort of stuff.

 

[samaugsch]

I don't want to be "that guy" who people think is just trolling for arguments... but I'm sick and tired of torture getting a bad name. Guess what? You get a bunch of great information from it and anyone who doesn't think so has never gone through it. This isn't your brother asking you if you borrowed his car so he pushed you under the faucet. This is all encompassing pain and misery from people professionally trained to make you talk. Moreover, I'm sure it matters to the zealots whether the torture is made up or not. To them, we're the bad guy no matter what we do. The only way to win any war is to make a people suffer so greatly that they give up. We're not going to be able to offer them half a yogurt and we're going to be school yard chums.

You say that torture is a way to get back at people who we believe wronged us, and you couldn't be more completely wrong. Torture is a tool, a tool used by people long ago who built the ancient libraries of old you're moaning about. And does anyone really have a problem with vengeance? You can make grand old speeches whenever you want, and you can make it sound really pretty good, but the only difference between vengeance and justice is that laws are written by those to which no major crime has ever occurred. Anyone... ANYONE... who is placed into a situation where a family member is greatly hurt or killed (from malice) is going to try to exact vengeance. It's not just human nature, it's RIGHT. Justice is a word for what can be pushed through a vote by a bunch of snobby, self-righteous theorists like Yahtzee. Love the reviews, but... well, he's an Aussie. What can you expect?

There's just one problem. Torture doesn't really work to get accurate information. Yes, you will get something from torturing someone, but that includes shit they pull out of their ass just to get you to STOP. And you assume the shmuck you are torturing has the information you want. What if he doesn't? You can torture him until he's dead and you won't get what you want- but you can be pretty sure he'll make up shit just to get you to stop hurting him.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2009/09/21/the-tortured-brain.html
http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/listen-sen-mccain-torture-doesnt-work
http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2009/04/top-interrogation-experts-say-torture.html

I'd suggest getting the person drunk to interrogate them instead. :3

 

[GonvilleBromhead]

You know, there was another war where the protagonist can slot the Hun, but not Nazi's

 

[Sean951]

I'm pretty sure Russians are the usual enemy in modern shooters because, as America, there are 2 countries that could feasibly pose a threat AND aren't our biggest ally (Russia and China). To have America go against a nation in NATO, or NATO itself, could provide some interesting commentary, but let's be realistic, the US is far too buddy buddy with Western Europe for that to happen in anything resembling a modern shooter. Maybe a future one though.

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

once again Yahtzee reiterating how games keep their subject matter narrow, thus denying them a chance to tell more stories. Something I quite agree with.

 

[Sean951]

No, you do not get "great information" from torture. You get anything and everything the victim thinks you want to hear, regardless of whether it's true or not. When incoherent from agony they will say anything to make the pain stop. You end up chasing down hundreds of wild goose chases for every actual fact you learn from your victim. That's why all civilized nations save America have abandoned torture as an information gathering method - not only is it inhumane, it's completely, utterly ineffective.

And far from making the enemy suffer so greatly they give up, using torture only convinces them that they are morally superior and inspires them to continue fighting. Yes, you might take the fight out of the one guy you tortured and convince a couple of others it's not worth fighting when the risk is that terrible, but you'll also make 50 new enemies who are now convinced you are evil incarnate. Using torture is lose-lose. You don't gain any information, and you give your enemy fantastic propoganda.

America has actually given up torture, stop living under 2000-2008. I guess they may still use sleep deprivation/solitary confinement, but there was never actual violence (other than abuse, such as Abu Ghraib) and they stopped water boarding years ago. They would probably send Cheney/whoever else was involved with that to the UN, but just like Nixon in the 70s, prosecuting right now would hurt the nations psyche so we are gonna sweep it under the rug. Just like every other nation does with all the dirt they possibly can.

 

[asinann]

White male Americans between the ages of 18 and 45.

 

[Sean951]

White male Americans between the ages of 18 and 45.

You won't find many American companies willing to make America the bad guy. Mercenaries from America, sure, Blackwater is pretty widely disliked here, but the shit storm that would cause... *shudder*

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

but there was something about those intentionally diverse groups that struck me as hollow, hypocritical and smug

That was one of the things that bothered me the most about Star Trek: Voyager.

What say we throw history to the wind; "Vikings V.S Mongols"?

 

[Mauso88]

Most likely one religious group or another.
Either that or the Chinese/North Koreans. North Korea is the main bad guy in Homefront after all.
All will be revealed after 21/12/12.