generals3 said:
Well i think that letting people doing their thing is accepting their choice. I mean I once didn't accept the choice of Girlfriend a friend made and I can assure you i made it quite clear by clearly stating how wrong he was to go out with her. This is not something i would de-facto do with gay people (unless the case is similar and one guy who's a friend is going out with an other guy who i consider to be a douche), i won't go tell them how wrong it is to go out with each other. I accept their relationship/orientation and I think that if that is what makes them happy they are totally right in doing it.
"Letting people" be gay is not accepting it. First of all, being gay is not a choice. Secondly, gay people are human beings. It's not an arbitrary act. So saying "gay people are gay and I accept that fact", it's like, tell us something we didn't know.
However you have explained yourself better and yeah, you seem a less against than you did before. And that's good. What you explained is more what acceptance is. Accepting a persons' orientation as natural, their relationships as healthy, their love the same way you would with your straight friends. Accepting their orientation as OK. Supporting them when they're in need, being there for them. Simply not saying anything bad when your two gay friends kiss isn't acceptance. I was just making the point that many people call themselves "accepting" when they're really "tolerant".
I would also like to note that whether i consider it natural or not is irrelevant. I will admit it to you, I don't. But that is because of my black and white view on what is "natural" when it comes to sexual orientation. If it is normal/natural it means that the species can survive if everyone had that sexual orientation (I don't believe nature intended humanity to go extinct after 1 generation), which obviously doesn't work with homosexuality. However this is irrelevant to the aspect of considering something unpleasant to watch or not. I don't find it pleasant to see two ugly straight persons make out either yet i consider it "natural".
But you don't find it pleasant because they're unattractive. And that's actually, you know, something qualifiable, to a certain extent. It's at least something you have a reason for. You can at least back that up with reason. Can you do so with same-sex couples? No you cannot. You're saying, they are a same-sex couple, thus unnatural, thus gross, thus effectively wrong. That's an abstract way of thinking, not something solid like "they're ugly", something you can point out and see. So although you're not a bigot and I don't wish to have you think I believe you are, you're not truly accepting. You still ultimately have the "I accept the fact you're gay, but not your gayness" mentality. You're happy they're happy, if it makes them happy, live and let live, as you said before. That's still not acceptance. It's conditional acceptance at the most.
But then again..............it's good enough. I'm not going to force you to go the extra mile. It's good enough because you're not impeding on our lives. You respect our lives. That's a good thing. Respect given, respect you get. So that's sort of how I see it. It's good enough but not ideal.
And how is it not a taste situation? I can see the bias part considering i never frenched a dude but it's tightly linked to taste if you ask me. As a straight person my taste goes to women, I've never felt attracted to a guy nor felt the desire to do anything sexual with one. And to continue with the ugly straights comparison. I've seen many ugly women, seen many kiss, but i still find it extremely visually unpleasing to see them french someone.
Gay isn't a sexual preference, it's an immutable orientation, hence it's not about taste. Taste indicates preference. Few choose to be gay. Few choose to be straight. It's an attraction, you're ATTRACTION is towards women. Then you have taste regarding what women you're interested in. That's taste, not liking to see two unattractive people kiss is a taste thing. Not "homosexuality is unnatural and not normal and I find 2 guys kissing disgusting." That's not taste. That's a train of thought. Based on essentially nothing. That's why it's homophobia, and why homophobia is classified as irrational.