What is with Jrpg's?
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I don't quite see your problem with Claude to be honest. He just seemed human to me. I certainly wouldn't say he was effeminate or lacking confidence with women. Whiny I can sort of understand, but again, the extent of his whining seems to be the same as most people in that situation would.Samcanuck said:
*ugh* jrpgs...
Not "unskippable"... but very skippable... not really written or designed for non-japanese gamers, or those not turning japanese. The social culture and mannerisms just don't translate well and leave a laughable imprint.
Not "unskippable"... but very skippable... not really written or designed for non-japanese gamers, or those not turning japanese. The social culture and mannerisms just don't translate well and leave a laughable imprint.
I would have thought Tidus was not effeminate at all, given that he's very confident with women... Cloud to me was angsty, but not unconfident. Squall I think was more withdrawn than lacking in confidence.NeutralDrow said:
Seriously though, in story-driven games, it is important that the characters are given something to develop. Plus slightly exaggerated characters means there are more reactions to the events they go through, which, again, is kinda necessary in a story-driven game. If Squall had been all happy he wouldn't have been so interesting to see go through the story.
Anyway, I doubt a story with elderly people discussing their arthritis and grandchildren (or something less exaggerated anyway) would be interesting to teenagers. They have to think about who they are directing the game to.
Indeed, he even went as far as just sneaking into Reimi's bathroom while she was showering! Wouldn't call that lack of confidence.s69-5 said:
Right....and/or the personality traits if you must [see my edit]. But confidence in the mission and an outward projection of strong character are key necessities for a leader in the case of inspiring your team, creating focus, commanding authority and preserving moral. Sadly Cloud, though powerful and flawed (as humans are), does not give me the overal sense of leadership. And it is in this that lies the question.robmastaflex said:
And though most people is the correct statment, a leader must rise up beyond his own weakness...hense Cid would have made (and did for a short time) the better leader. The question is the draw...and I guess you have answered that well, human qualities...and the fantasy that a leader can be a flawed kid. Especially acting in a flawed manner that many JRPG characters do.
He reminds me of Captain Willard in Apocalypse now. Well, mind you if Captain Williard was a *****.
Hang on, we're talking about different characters here. I'm on about the main character of Star Ocean 2 here. Though I agree that Cid was a better leader in FFVII, though I'm probably biased on that due to him being my favourite character there.Samcanuck said:
The weird thing is that there used to be no difference between JRPGs and WRPGs (Western RPGs). I'm just wondering, where did JRPGs and WRPGs split off?
To be honest, I'd prefer those characters to generic mindless macho military protagonist #1918 any day. At least they have some character.
CECIL? Are you kidding? He has military training! In fact, he is the very opposite of what you have been describing. If you could tell me what your problem is with Cecil, it would be greatly appreciated.Samcanuck said:
EDIT: Ninja'd
Also, okay, let's have super-awesome killing machine as the protagonist in FFXV. Now tell me, how will this character develop? From super-awesome killing machine to... super-awesomer killing machine? There aren't many places you can go with that, hence the choice of weaker characters as protagonists.
Oh, sorry. Eh, for the short time I played the game (my save crashed for some reason), I got the overal sense of the character being as such. It's my own personal opinion, but should not discredit the question.robmastaflex said:
In fact, most people on this page that wont answer the question are discrediting the the focus due to their own personal views of one or two characters (mainly cloud from ff7). It's like having a political debate, they wont answer the sum of the question because they can't get past some individual fandom. I just read a post that was talking about condefince of a guy who peep's into a girls bathroom. These kid's don't understand that confidence in women is knowing that if you wanted to see something, than you make your move and get the girl, not be some akward pervert.
You can't disuss anything with those people...they just don't get that it takes conversation and understanding to learn and teach....not emotions and withdrawl from the topic.
IMO it was the release of Fallout/Baldur's Gate VS FF VII that drove the wedge between them.Hannan4mitch said:
OT: It is weird that a lot are a lot JRPG characters like the OP described, it seems to me that last 5 final fantasy games are the most guilty of this. However in the west we are just as guilty with the muscular, grizzled military man as the protagonist for a lot games.
Kuja, Sephiroth and Seymour are the big ones. Especially Seymour. Sephy more as a total pretty boy way. Kefka somewhat, but it's excusable since he's batsh*t insane the whole time. And Kuja....Yeah, I half expected "Sweet Transvestite" as his battle theme.Zetswe said:
JRPG heroes are presented like that because they have the ability to grow over the course of the game, much like the characters of a book or movie might. Having a hard badass for a main character leaves no room for growth in the story of a JRPG, unless he grows to be more sociable towards the other characters, but that's not nearly as interesting or relatable as a weak, wimpy person becoming someone who can stand up for themselves when it matters. And the reason why this is done is indeed because Japanese men are very timid, so these characters who can and do change who they are are meant to inspire confidence. And the reason why they get the girl is because of that as well. It's a "you can become the person you want to be" sort of thing. Guys here in America don't always have these confidence issues, so it makes less sense to them, but in a game, just like in a movie or a book, it's satisfying to see a weak person become strong over the course of the story.