What's keeping the West from making DOAX style games?

[Erttheking]

Also, Mercedes Carerra believes women shouldn't be allowed to vote contrary to their husband's opinions. Sure you want to hold her up as a bastion of sexual liberty?

Considering a big part of feminism is supposed to be choice? Yes. If she believes that, that's her goddamed right as a person and an American. Who are you to tell her otherwise?

Someone with a basic respect for the intelligence of women. If someone think women shouldn't be allowed to vote, then fuck them. As an American, she has every right to hold that world view. And I have every right to tell her to go fuck herself for having that world view. That fucking stupid, archaic, misogynistic, self hating, has no purpose existing in the 21st century, world view. So yeah. She can go fuck herself. If she has a problem with that, too bad.

Also the whole ****** thing. Honestly using that world...yeah, she can go fuck herself. That's pretty much the modern equivalent of the n-word. I don't personally know a single LGBT person who wouldn't flip at that. And I know quite a few.

 

[Smithnikov_v1legacy]

Wow. Just...just wow. I could go all day here, but that one bit about people dismissing me over jerkoff

A better way to say it I guess was that I think people SHOULD if they have any sort of sense of consistency. And why shouldn't one dimiss you for it? You're using what you do regularly as an insult against someone. Not very sensible.

I can't even begin to describe everything wrong with that.

Try. I'd like to hear it.

 

[Gengisgame]

Wow. Just...just wow. I could go all day here, but that one bit about people dismissing me over jerkoff

A better way to say it I guess was that I think people SHOULD if they have any sort of sense of consistency. And why shouldn't one dimiss you for it? You're using what you do regularly as an insult against someone. Not very sensible.

I can't even begin to describe everything wrong with that.

Try. I'd like to hear it.

Smithnow there's little point trying to debate with you.

I was discussing this matter, I mentioned shaming was a big factor, gave popular examples and your counter point was "but I don't do that" as if that was relevant to the idea that it's a factor.

You then went on about GG and all these things they apparently do as if this had any relevance to my points.

For future discussions at least realize how it makes you look if you dismiss what group A does with, "I don't do that" and then for some reason feel it's ok to go on about what group B does, that's clearly showing that your not listening to points, your just arguing sides,you see it as something to be won.

We know these things are very popular in Japan, we know these things are very popular here with Skyrim mods, what we are here to discuss is why they aren't sold here.

Now Bethesda will not allow nudity mods in there games, these are made for free, they would cost Bethesda nothing, so at the very least in this instance it's not a factor of people not wanting it as some people are claiming, focus on why Bethesda does that, it will be a good starting point for some proper discussions.

 

[PapaGreg096]

Wow. Just...just wow. I could go all day here, but that one bit about people dismissing me over jerkoff

A better way to say it I guess was that I think people SHOULD if they have any sort of sense of consistency. And why shouldn't one dimiss you for it? You're using what you do regularly as an insult against someone. Not very sensible.

I can't even begin to describe everything wrong with that.

Try. I'd like to hear it.

Smithnow there's little point trying to debate with you.

I was discussing this matter, I mentioned shaming was a big factor, gave popular examples and your counter point was "but I don't do that" as if that was relevant to the idea that it's a factor.

You then went on about GG and all these things they apparently do as if this had any relevance to my points.

For future discussions at least realize how it makes you look if you dismiss what group A does with, "I don't do that" and then for some reason feel it's ok to go on about what group B does, that's clearly showing that your not listening to points, your just arguing sides,you see it as something to be won.

We know these things are very popular in Japan, we know these things are very popular here with Skyrim mods, what we are here to discuss is why they aren't sold here.

Now Bethesda will not allow nudity mods in there games, these are made for free, they would cost Bethesda nothing, so at the very least in this instance it's not a factor of people not wanting it as some people are claiming, focus on why Bethesda does that, it will be a good starting point for some proper discussions.

Okay the difference between Skyrim and Doax is that there is more to skyrim than titllation and said mods were free

 

[Gengisgame]

Okay the difference between Skyrim and Doax is that there is more to skyrim than titllation and said mods were free

There is also more to DOA than titillation otherwise it would just be an animated movie, not really here to argue how much more just pointing out that very important factor.

Although I am glad you focused on the important bit in my post but you still seem to have missed the point, it being the exact same type of game is irrelevant to my point, just the factor of why certain things are not allowed.

As you said the mods where free, people want mods revolving around more attractive characters but despite there being no restriction against it Besthesda will not allow topless women let alone sex.

It costs them no more than any other mod, people want it, it's an 18+ game with extremely violent content so it's perfectly legal for them to include it so why do they restrict?

Answers simple, the backlash, they fear people within the industry who have a problem with sexualized women.

Even when the content is free and being made by us we are still being denied so could the people here who have a problem with it please stop pretending it's because nobody wants it.

 

[Smithnikov_v1legacy]

We know these things are very popular in Japan, we know these things are very popular here with Skyrim mods, what we are here to discuss is why they aren't sold here.

And I made my case as to WHY they aren't as successful here, and stand by it. I only get a bit testy about it when people want to go to the usual "It's liberal feminist SJW's conspiring to keep these games unsuccessful.

Now Bethesda will not allow nudity mods in there games, these are made for free, they would cost Bethesda nothing, so at the very least in this instance it's not a factor of people not wanting it as some people are claiming, focus on why Bethesda does that, it will be a good starting point for some proper discussions.

I'm not sure WHY Bethesda does that. Yes, there's a market for it, but is there enough of a market for it to make it standard to the game? I'm not convinced there is. Course, the beauty of the mod scene is that they'll fill the demand no matter how niche, which I don't consider a bad thing at all. Likewise for people wanting gaming porn. It's out there, and a lot of times, it's for cheap or free. Why, I ask, worry so much about AAA price games wanting to feature or not feature it when the product you seek is already out there for even lower cost and less hassle?

Sorry, but the whole thing comes off across to me as another attempt to turn another part of gaming culture into the same tired left wing vs right wing pigshit slinging match, something which too much of gaming has become anyway.

 

[Smithnikov_v1legacy]

There is also more to DOA than titillation

The fighting game? Definitely agree. I like it myself, even if online matches come down to pretty much who can slam light punch the fastest.

The X games? Harder time justifying that, though.

As you said the mods where free, people want mods revolving around more attractive characters but despite there being no restriction against it Besthesda will not allow topless women let alone sex.

It costs them no more than any other mod, people want it, it's an 18+ game with extremely violent content so it's perfectly legal for them to include it so why do they restrict?

Answers simple, the backlash, they fear people within the industry who have a problem with sexualized women.

Even when the content is free and being made by us we are still being denied so could the people here who have a problem with it please stop pretending it's because nobody wants it.

Never said "nobody' want it, just that not ENOUGH people want it to make it a mainstream feature.

And thinking about it, I'm not sure I WANT a bunch of AAA suits handling aspects like that. I'd still rather leave it in the hands of the modders who will, in all liklihood, have a better appreciation of it and will much more likely make the material satisfying. If you want a certain kind of sexuality or kink in your game, do you really want it being overseen by a suit, or a modder who shares your kink or view on what would be satisfying?

 

[Einspanner]

There is also more to DOA than titillation

The fighting game? Definitely agree. I like it myself, even if online matches come down to pretty much who can slam light punch the fastest.

The X games? Harder time justifying that, though.

As you said the mods where free, people want mods revolving around more attractive characters but despite there being no restriction against it Besthesda will not allow topless women let alone sex.

It costs them no more than any other mod, people want it, it's an 18+ game with extremely violent content so it's perfectly legal for them to include it so why do they restrict?

Answers simple, the backlash, they fear people within the industry who have a problem with sexualized women.

Even when the content is free and being made by us we are still being denied so could the people here who have a problem with it please stop pretending it's because nobody wants it.

Never said "nobody' want it, just that not ENOUGH people want it to make it a mainstream feature.

And thinking about it, I'm not sure I WANT a bunch of AAA suits handling aspects like that. I'd still rather leave it in the hands of the modders who will, in all liklihood, have a better appreciation of it and will much more likely make the material satisfying. If you want a certain kind of sexuality or kink in your game, do you really want it being overseen by a suit, or a modder who shares your kink or view on what would be satisfying?

Or to put it another way, why is "Amateur" porn so popular?

 

[TGC]

It's hard to animate women. =^)

Sorry, couldn't resist. I'll go sit in the corner now.

 

[Smithnikov_v1legacy]

It's hard to animate women. =^)

Sorry, couldn't resist. I'll go sit in the corner now.

And it's also impossible to make female plastic molds for female Imperial Guard soldiers even though 40k canon clearly states that every single regiment has a sizable female population at all levels of rank.

 

[Lykosia_v1legacy]

If you're looking for games with "adult" themes go to Patreon. That site is full of that crap. Some of them are actually pretty decent I might add.

 

[Gengisgame]

I'm not sure WHY Bethesda does that. Yes, there's a market for it, but is there enough of a market for it to make it standard to the game? I'm not convinced there is. Course, the beauty of the mod scene is that they'll fill the demand no matter how niche, which I don't consider a bad thing at all. Likewise for people wanting gaming porn. It's out there, and a lot of times, it's for cheap or free. Why, I ask, worry so much about AAA price games wanting to feature or not feature it when the product you seek is already out there for even lower cost and less hassle?

Sorry, but the whole thing comes off across to me as another attempt to turn another part of gaming culture into the same tired left wing vs right wing pigshit slinging match, something which too much of gaming has become anyway.

You dismissed the most important part of my point with an "I don't know"

Tip, don't tell someone what they should like. You have already said you don't like it so show some empathy and understand that people can want what you don't like.

If it becomes right vs left then that's on you, wanting sexualized games does not make you one or the other.

Now I find it hard to believe that you can't even make a guess as to why Bethesda does not allow mods of a sexual nature in a free, adult only game, try.

I'm going to be rude and make assumptions based on past experience but I can't help feel that you know the answer is "potential backlash" and that you will dance around the issue.

 

[Gengisgame]

And thinking about it, I'm not sure I WANT a bunch of AAA suits handling aspects like that. I'd still rather leave it in the hands of the modders who will, in all liklihood, have a better appreciation of it and will much more likely make the material satisfying. If you want a certain kind of sexuality or kink in your game, do you really want it being overseen by a suit, or a modder who shares your kink or view on what would be satisfying?

Or to put it another way, why is "Amateur" porn so popular?[/quote]

Amateur porn popularity is popular for the same reason that fresh actresses are popular, it the fetish is anything it's the idea of innocence, the appeal of an amateur would be that they aren't pornstars if that makes sense.

 

[Smithnikov_v1legacy]

You dismissed the most important part of my point with an "I don't know"

So what do you want me to say?

Tip, don't tell someone what they should like.

Never have. Never will.

You have already said you don't like it so show some empathy and understand that people can want what you don't like.

I should first tell the other side of the argument to show me the same fucking consideration, really. But second, I said I just don't get it, and what I don't get isn't the desire for the material, but the fervant craziness in defending what I think is an inferior way to get that material.

I'm going to be rude and make assumptions based on past experience but I can't help feel that you know the answer is "potential backlash" and that you will dance around the issue.

Do it all you like, won't make it any more correct.

 

[Gamerpalooza]

If you're looking for games with "adult" themes go to Patreon. That site is full of that crap. Some of them are actually pretty decent I might add.

So are we restricted to E games only? Since everything E10+ has "suggestive themes" and violence which is considered "adult" themes.

The whole point of a DOAX style game is characters relaxing mainly through mini-games with a light touch in getting to know characters that leave their worries of battle and war and express themselves. Swimsuits are just objectives to keep replay value high by giving the players an incentive time sink.

Regardless of gender if all you're doing is getting off on the characters then that's on you not on the game. Since the individual is the one doing the fantasizing not the game itself. Since there's nothing preventing another company from expanding the concept and adding males into the mix.

 

[irishda]

If you're looking for games with "adult" themes go to Patreon. That site is full of that crap. Some of them are actually pretty decent I might add.

So are we restricted to E games only? Since everything E10+ has "suggestive themes" and violence which is considered "adult" themes.

The whole point of a DOAX style game is characters relaxing mainly through mini-games with a light touch in getting to know characters that leave their worries of battle and war and express themselves. Swimsuits are just objectives to keep replay value high by giving the players an incentive time sink.

Regardless of gender if all you're doing is getting off on the characters then that's on you not on the game. Since the individual is the one doing the fantasizing not the game itself. Since there's nothing preventing another company from expanding the concept and adding males into the mix.

I believe that's called Fire Emblem. Now if you mean people jacking off to animated characters, I believe that's called hentai or cartoon porn, and the magic of the internet means they don't have to shell out $60 and play through a crappy game in order to beat their meat to it.

 

[Lykosia_v1legacy]

If you're looking for games with "adult" themes go to Patreon. That site is full of that crap. Some of them are actually pretty decent I might add.

So are we restricted to E games only? Since everything E10+ has "suggestive themes" and violence which is considered "adult" themes.

The whole point of a DOAX style game is characters relaxing mainly through mini-games with a light touch in getting to know characters that leave their worries of battle and war and express themselves. Swimsuits are just objectives to keep replay value high by giving the players an incentive time sink.

Regardless of gender if all you're doing is getting off on the characters then that's on you not on the game. Since the individual is the one doing the fantasizing not the game itself. Since there's nothing preventing another company from expanding the concept and adding males into the mix.

There are 18+ porn games there as well, if you're interested in that short of thing.

 

[Smithnikov_v1legacy]

The whole point of a DOAX style game is characters relaxing mainly through mini-games with a light touch in getting to know characters that leave their worries of battle and war and express themselves.

This is a series of mini-games where the rewards are increasingly skimpier bikinis, not This War of Mine. Give me a break, sir. I've said it before, I'll say it again. Spank material is fine as long as it's honest about being spank material.

 

[Smithnikov_v1legacy]

If you're looking for games with "adult" themes go to Patreon. That site is full of that crap. Some of them are actually pretty decent I might add.

So are we restricted to E games only? Since everything E10+ has "suggestive themes" and violence which is considered "adult" themes.

The whole point of a DOAX style game is characters relaxing mainly through mini-games with a light touch in getting to know characters that leave their worries of battle and war and express themselves. Swimsuits are just objectives to keep replay value high by giving the players an incentive time sink.

Regardless of gender if all you're doing is getting off on the characters then that's on you not on the game. Since the individual is the one doing the fantasizing not the game itself. Since there's nothing preventing another company from expanding the concept and adding males into the mix.

There are 18+ porn games there as well, if you're interested in that short of thing.

No, you see, unlike us lower life forms, they enjoy TEASING, which makes their taste superior to our obvious SJW influenced preference for straight up porn.

 

[Calico_Asshole]

If you're looking for games with "adult" themes go to Patreon. That site is full of that crap. Some of them are actually pretty decent I might add.

So are we restricted to E games only? Since everything E10+ has "suggestive themes" and violence which is considered "adult" themes.

The whole point of a DOAX style game is characters relaxing mainly through mini-games with a light touch in getting to know characters that leave their worries of battle and war and express themselves. Swimsuits are just objectives to keep replay value high by giving the players an incentive time sink.

Regardless of gender if all you're doing is getting off on the characters then that's on you not on the game. Since the individual is the one doing the fantasizing not the game itself. Since there's nothing preventing another company from expanding the concept and adding males into the mix.

I believe that's called Fire Emblem. Now if you mean people jacking off to animated characters, I believe that's called hentai or cartoon porn, and the magic of the internet means they don't have to shell out $60 and play through a crappy game in order to beat their meat to it.

Honestly, it's not just this kind of game. You don't exactly sell millions of copies of "Strip Majong" in the West either. If you just want to be titillated, there's a world of porn that includes just that, lots of it animated, or if it's your thing there are strip bars absolutely everywhere in most of the West, certainly North America and Canada. I can't imagine a bunch of Floridians who normally go to a strip bar on a Friday night, would be terribly interested in relatively low-res T&A.

Which is the final thing; real women are still vastly more detailed and superior to the digital variety in every way. If we were having this discussion in 20 years, maybe it would be different.