What's the point of having a girlfriend/boyfriend?

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James Joseph Emerald said:
Sex is better than media. That's a good start. Waking up with a perfectly shaped someone holding onto you and kissing you all over your body isn't half bad, either. Coming home to a gourmet meal, or a birthday present when you forgot it was your own damned birthday, having someone to ***** and vent to when you feel like everything's falling apart - all of these are preferable to watching Inception, which I admit is magnificent.

Also: sex is better than media.
 

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First, for a personally-oriented thread, you've made a refreshingly pleasant one. It's a breath of fresh air in a sea of threads about people who are angry at their friends and want to tell the internet. Well done there.

James Joseph Emerald said:
I think it's kind of pitiable when people need to spend every waking moment with another person because they're too dull or afraid to be alone with themselves.
I would say that this is that rationalisation you were talking about. This is a pretty faulty generalisation and the implied sense of superiority smacks of rationalisation. The overwhelming majority of people are not stupid or pathetic (despite pithy comments suggesting otherwise (a lot of stupid people would be better characterised as misled people)). You should be immediately wary of any line of reasoning that requires the majority of the population to be feeble or unintelligent and places you outside of that majority.

To address this issue more specifically:
First, you mention spending every waking moment with another person. That's simply not how relationships work. A lot of couples don't even see much of one another at all. There is no rule regarding how often you have to see each other as a couple - ideally you find someone who wants to spend as much time together as you do.

Second, regarding why a person might seek out a mate, you seem to be suggesting that the only conceivable reason would be to shore up some innadequacy. As you say later, you think this is all about "needs". But reducing everything to conceptual needs gets silly rather quickly: Do you read books because you have some need that the book fulfills? Do you watch television because you have some need that television fulfills? Do you eat anything beyond tasteless gruel because you have some need that flavourful food fulfills? My point is that you certainly can characterise all of these things as needs, but the same line of reasoning you're applying makes a lot of other "needs" make a person sound just as ridiculous. Are people who eat anything beyond staple foods pitiable in that they need to have a variety of flavours and interesting, enjoyable food because they lack the ability to just make do with staple foods? And you can virtually always make the opposite argument just as easily: are people who eat only staple foods pitiable because they lack the ability to cope with a varied diet? In short, you can turn almost any desire into a sign of weakness if you apply the same logic you're applying to relationships. All of these statements end up being pretty vacuous.

James Joseph Emerald said:
Anyway, I don't really understand what the point of being in a relationship is, at least at my stage in life (21-year-old college student). I love that feeling, when everything you're supposed to do is done, and you have a whole day to spend on yourself, doing whatever you want.
I want to be perfectly clear here that I'm not suggesting that it's bad not to want a relationship - only trying to answer why a person might want one. Bear in mind that you might understand the reasons why a person might want a relationship, yet still not want one yourself. That doesn't make you or the other people illogical in any substantial way (you are different people with different interests, the fact that a relationship doesn't suit you doesn't mean it doesn't suit them and vice versa).

James Joseph Emerald said:
I tend to begrudge anything or anyone that tries to take it away from me. And I especially resent it when people feel entitled to my free time. Of the few relationships I've started, they inevitably end because the girl wants to waste an entire day "just hanging out", and either I refuse and she gets pissed off, or I relent and end up thinking of her as a chore. Are all relationships like that? Am I just being uncompromising?
One of the primary goals in finding a good relationship is finding someone who won't take your free time away from you, but will simply join you in it. A lot of people, especially younger people, try to get into a relationship with essentially anyone they can. What you want is either (a) someone who wants to do the same things you do and thus doesn't meaningfully detract from your free time or (b) someone with different interests that actually end up interesting you such that you choose to spend your free time on their interests (or some combination of the two). The notion that you can build a relationship with someone because you like the person themself (whatever that means), even when you're not interested in any of the things they like to do, is, at least in my experience, really a troublesome one.

James Joseph Emerald said:
A lot of my friends are starting to get girlfriends/boyfriends, and when I ask them why, they say things such as "for the sex" or "it's like having a friend you can screw" or "it's so nice to have someone to cuddle and get affection from" or "someone to pick you up when you're feeling down".
To get something out of the way: sex is nice. If you don't think sex is nice, I'm not sure what to tell you. Sex is nice. You are hard-wired to find sex nice (barring asexuality, but that's another reply entirely) and, while this will sound trite, most younger reclusive people who don't think sex is nice really haven't experienced much or it (or at least much good sex). The meat of this however is that sex is rarely enough for a relationship and individual things like cuddling, affection, and consolation are nice perks, but they are not, again in my experience, the things that make a relationship worthwhile. The real kicker is companionship. It's the joy of playing coop with a person instead of a bot. You don't need to play with a person (again, except in the somewhat vacuous way mentioned above) and there are certainly games that are more fun without other people (again, you're not required to do everything together), but it usually makes it more fun. But you have to find someone who wants to play games that you want to play. Maybe they just happen to already like the same games or maybe they introduce you to some new favourites, but at some point your choice of games has to converge.

James Joseph Emerald said:
But I don't really feel the need for any of that. And I have a suspicion that's the key word: need. I have a theory that all relationships (romantic or otherwise) are formed on the basis of mutual need. And, being content on my own, I don't really feel the need for a girlfriend. But maybe that's just me rationalising my own failure to commit (as a pop psych women's mag dating columnist might say).
As mentioned above, yes, I think that's just rationalisation and I also think that this reasoning based on need (which is not quite an original idea) is very mistaken in that people fail to realise that you can apply it to make any behaviour or desire seem to be grounded in weakness.
 

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James Joseph Emerald said:
I tend to begrudge anything or anyone that tries to take it away from me. And I especially resent it when people feel entitled to my free time. Of the few relationships I've started, they inevitably end because the girl wants to waste an entire day "just hanging out", and either I refuse and she gets pissed off, or I relent and end up thinking of her as a chore. Are all relationships like that? Am I just being uncompromising?

A lot of my friends are starting to get girlfriends/boyfriends, and when I ask them why, they say things such as "for the sex" or "it's like having a friend you can screw" or "it's so nice to have someone to cuddle and get affection from" or "someone to pick you up when you're feeling down" (here's a fun game: guess the genders of the speakers!).
Just looking at what you've written in the section I've quoted, I'd say you're dating the wrong people.

It sounds like some of your friends have it right - particularly the one who said "it's like having a friend you can screw".

Here's a good test. Sex aside, would you want to hang out playing games (whatever type you play) with your sig other? If the answer is no, then you're not in a good relationship (no matter how awesome the sex is).

I'll put it this way. I've been married for seven years. In about five minutes, my spouse and I are heading out to a D&D game with friends. That game will last until about 8 PM, and then my spouse and I and some of our friends are going out dancing at a night club.

Tomorrow, we have no plans to be anywhere. My spouse and I are going to hang around the house, enjoy a book each, and play some games.

I love sex, so I would be in a relationship anyway, but I got married because I met someone who I honestly wanted to hang out with for the rest of my life. ^^
 

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Because arranged marriages aren't exactly the most popular thing in Western culture anymore.
Sums it up. Also, the human emotion of love drives people to do crazy things.
 

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Mimssy said:
Hagi said:
James Joseph Emerald said:
I have a theory that all relationships (romantic or otherwise) are formed on the basis of mutual need.
My theory?

Bad relationships are formed on the basis of singular need.
Okay relationships are formed on the basis of mutual need.
Great relationships are formed on the basis of mutual want.

If you actually need a boy- or girlfriend then I don't think you're going to have a good relationship, because you're not a full person on your own. You need someone else.

For a good relationship I think you need two people who want to be together, but don't need to. They could leave each other, they'd still lead happy and fulfilling lives. But they don't want to because their lives are even better when they're together.
Yes, a thousand times, yes! I don't need someone to make me enjoy my life. I live a life that I love and the guy in my life is someone I can share that with, but my contentment is not dependent on him.
Exactly! Although I do kinda hope I end up with a girl, but who knows. Maybe there's a guy out there who I'll go gay for. Stranger things have happened.

Also high five on the same motto (different languages though)[footnote]And yes, I'm the creepy stalker kind of guy who checks all the profiles from everyone who replies to him.[/footnote].
 

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I honestly think I am blessed, I have great friends and loving family, an amazing girlfriend and to top it off I do enjoy my own company.
Same here. Sometimes I'm amazed at how lucky I've been: my friends, family and boyfriend are incredible people.

I was happy being single and wasn't looking for a relationship when I met my partner. 2 1/2 years later, I couldn't imagine life without him. It's long-distance at the moment (I'm British, he's American), but we're looking to live together as soon as it's possible (why is it so bloody difficult to get into the US?!). He spent seven weeks here in May/June and I just got back from a couple of weeks over there, and it's absolutely worth it for the time we have together. It feels brilliant. Something as simple as holding hands gives me happy butterflies.

I'm honestly not bothered by the sex part, I love him for his support, comfort, the laughter and just how he makes me feel. I can completely understand why some people prefer not to be in a relationship, like I said I didn't mind being single when I was and I enjoy my own company (something my sister hates, she thinks I'm boring 'cause I don't like going out and getting plastered). The feelings I get being with him though make the relationship more than worth it. Bottom line is, he makes me happy, and I love it.
 

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It's a closed circuit of support.. Boyfriend "Woman! Make me sammich!" Girlfriend makes it.

And so the circle completes and life goes on.
 

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At your point in life, if all you want to do is hang around all day and do nothing, there probably isn't much of a point.

Take it from me though, you can't do nothing for too many months before that gets dull and you feel like companionship, chores and surprises. At that point, a girlfriend will be the best thing in the world.
 
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razer17 said:
You prefer being on your own? Fine, good for you. But don't go around calling other "pitiable" because they prefer company, sitting their on your high horse.
OT Anyway, as I've just said being with other people is always preferable to being alone to most people, most of the time. And having someone to be affectionate with is even better than just a friend.
I can tell you've taken offence. I suppose you identify yourself as "a real people person" and you feel like I'm attacking your way of life. That's not the case. I don't mean people who generally socialise are pitiable (I myself have loads of friends, and I meet up with them about once a week), I mean people who have no hobbies, or even a proper personal life outside of hanging with their friends and partying all the time. I've known people like that. They think they're "living life to the fullest" and that I should be more like them. But when they're on their own, they complain about how bored they are and beg people to hang out with them. That's what I find pitiable.

And maybe that is kind of superior and arrogant of me to say. But I think after 15+ years of people being superior and arrogant or pitying towards me because of my reclusiveness, I've earned the right to pay it back some if I so choose.
 
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James Joseph Emerald said:
Firstly, I'm quite reclusive. It's previously been the source of much embarrassment and self-loathing because almost everyone puts pressure on me to "come out of my shell" (especially in Ireland, where being reclusive is so unheard-of people treat it like being a heroin addict or something), but in the last few years I've come to the realisation (after trying to force myself to be more sociable and failing on many occasions), that being reclusive is an integral part of who I am. In fact, I've decided to be proud of the fact that I'm secure in myself enough to enjoy my own company, and I think it's kind of pitiable when people need to spend every waking moment with another person because they're too dull or afraid to be alone with themselves (to be clear: I don't mean people who socialise are pitiable, I mean people who have no hobbies, or even a proper personal life outside of hanging with their friends and partying all the time. I've known people like that. They think they're "living life to the fullest" and that I should be more like them. But when they're on their own, they complain about how bored they are and beg people to hang out with them. That's what I find pitiable.)
... It's scary how similar that sounds to me (except the being attractive part).
 

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Hagi said:
James Joseph Emerald said:
I have a theory that all relationships (romantic or otherwise) are formed on the basis of mutual need.
My theory?

Bad relationships are formed on the basis of singular need.
Okay relationships are formed on the basis of mutual need.
Great relationships are formed on the basis of mutual want.

If you actually need a boy- or girlfriend then I don't think you're going to have a good relationship, because you're not a full person on your own. You need someone else.

For a good relationship I think you need two people who want to be together, but don't need to. They could leave each other, they'd still lead happy and fulfilling lives. But they don't want to because their lives are even better when they're together.
This is perfect. Kudos to you, sir.


On to the OP... there are many reasons why people look for companionship in others. One may argue that it's the way the human animal wraps up the biological imperative to transcend. It doesn't have to be through spawn, as it's perfectly fine to be childless, or adopt.
 

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you and i would get along, i feel the same way, but others like my sister are terrified at the prospect of spending anytime alone with themselves. It varies from person to person, i like going places myself because it means i can do what i want to do and when without compromising, but others need constant companionship and talking buddies before they can go anywhere. not to say i wouldnt like having a boyfriend, but not one that was around ALL the time.
 

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it seems someone hasnt hit puberty just yet. because when people get old enough they like to spend time with someone else on a more intimate level.

personally i look for a best friend, someone i can spend car free time with and someone to depend on.
 

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Why am I currently in a relationship? Because my partner is amazing. I'm kinda mad they waited 25 years to walk into my life.
 

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Having a girlfriend/boyfriend means that you aren't always alone and you can have someone to speak to anything about, it's not just friends who you might not be all that open to. Also, there's the addition of sex.
That and it saves you from crying yourself to sleep each night after a spooning session with a pillow because you wanted something to hold.
 

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You shouldn't feel obliged to get into a relationship or anything but when it happens you might find you prefer things that way. I for one am in a good relationship with a great woman, we get along with most things so there's companionship and of course sex.

Some people just don't want to be with anyone and that's cool really, should only be with someone if you REALLY want it.
 

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Hagi said:
Exactly! Although I do kinda hope I end up with a girl, but who knows. Maybe there's a guy out there who I'll go gay for. Stranger things have happened.

Also high five on the same motto (different languages though)[footnote]And yes, I'm the creepy stalker kind of guy who checks all the profiles from everyone who replies to him.[/footnote].
No problem! I do the same thing :p
 

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The idea is to find a
James Joseph Emerald said:
And I especially resent it when people feel entitled to my free time. Of the few relationships I've started, they inevitably end because the girl wants to waste an entire day "just hanging out", and either I refuse and she gets pissed off, or I relent and end up thinking of her as a chore. Are all relationships like that? Am I just being uncompromising?

Best I can tell, you just haven't found the right girl.... Theoretically you will find a girl that you WANT to spend a large portion of your spare time with ( not all, everyone needs space) But when you find her, simply being around her, chatting, hanging out... whatever will create joy.... And yes there is the whole animalistic desire for sex that we all have.
 

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I feel a similar way. I have lots of really great friends that I love so I've got companionship. What else do you get from a relationship? Sex? Well, I can see the appeal but it certainly makes "love" seem a lot less magical. I guess I just have yet to properly experience these things but it seems to me like a girlfriend/boyfriend is just "like having a friend you can screw". Not there's anything wrong with that.