WHITE GUY DEFENSE FORCE GO!

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

I present to everyone the supposed correct way to engage in conversation with someone you have an opposing viewpoint to.

Engaging in a civil manner with people like that is like trying to solve a problem with your lawnmower by stopping the blade with your hand.

Impractical.

Nope. This attitude is promptly followed by the walls going up.

Translated this comic to plain English:

Could you please make as many of these as possible? They're entertaining.

 

[axlryder]

The comic is fine, though the poor dead horse it's beating could probably use a burial by now (still kind of funny though). The real issue is that the way people are lauding it is reaching circle-jerk levels of obnoxious. I got through two pages of comments and wanted to vomit from all the author fellating and giddy anticipation of altercation.

 

[Lucane]

The author bites his own hands.

Spoiler

Asking the question isn't the same as demanding a change, and the mere fact of the character being (in this case)white isn't racist but trying to justify it with (He's like "Well then maybe people won't be able to identify with him")
as a defense to keep a charter a certain way without the choice being about setting/time period or even just the creators decision. Then saying that everyone(male/female white/Hispanic/black/Asian/Indian/Middle Eastern/Etc Gay/Straight Short/Averge/Tall Obese/Skinny/etc. etc. etc etc. ) who would seek to play it is or should be okay with playing as a white male guy character which implies anything other than a white guy would be an inferior choice to have as the character.

Again this isn't just about if the character is X but rather why it can only be X.

 

[Phrozenflame500]

The author bites his own hands.

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False equivalence. In this comic, his race is actually critical to the plot and changing it would actually mean something. Contrasted to the video games he is talking about, where the protagonist is white for purely business reasons and the plot wouldn't be altered if it was changed.

 

[quenlinlom]

Could you please make as many of these as possible? They're entertaining.

I didn't make them. Three 4chan boards are currently engaging in editing them: /pol/, /v/, and /fit/.

I couldn't post most of them because The Escapist isn't really a place of unmoderated pure free speech.

 

[Imp_Emissary]

Oh, I care about people who have a point to make, I have yet to see one.

Ergo, I don't care.

The point, of course, was that your condescending attitude - like the condescending attitudes of many on this forum, and the internet at large, is detrimental. To yourself, to those around you, to society as a whole.

We get caught up in ourselves, in our own apathy, and we think that gives us a free pass to be arrogant and derisive towards others, to mock people who are different, to refuse to accept other points of view, to dismiss people who have ideas that differ from our own. We become isolationist, reactionary, vicious and cruel. We revel in selfishness and narcissism and when someone points it out, asks us to try to be better, we shut down or lash out rather than reflect and even consider the possibility that we might shed some bad habits and grow as people.

My point is that we are working below our ability, and that we could be so much better if we just put in a little effort to be kinder to one another.

And that includes not mocking people. It includes not mocking ourselves. We should culture self respect and respect for others, and we should treasure our commonalities instead of alienating one another for our differences.

It's the only point I've ever tried to make. But you don't care, nobody does.

But the thing about it is, I care.

I find this kind of agreeable. Though, sometimes we all need a good mocking. Especially for ourselves, but yes. It should not be at the cost of our self respect, or sometimes the respect we have for others.

Is that a tad idealistic? Hell yes, but that just means it's something to try for.

Oh, I care about people who have a point to make, I have yet to see one.

Ergo, I don't care.

Spoiler: You've seen it!

The point, of course, was that your condescending attitude - like the condescending attitudes of many on this forum, and the internet at large, is detrimental. To yourself, to those around you, to society as a whole.

We get caught up in ourselves, in our own apathy, and we think that gives us a free pass to be arrogant and derisive towards others, to mock people who are different, to refuse to accept other points of view, to dismiss people who have ideas that differ from our own. We become isolationist, reactionary, vicious and cruel. We revel in selfishness and narcissism and when someone points it out, asks us to try to be better, we shut down or lash out rather than reflect and even consider the possibility that we might shed some bad habits and grow as people.

My point is that we are working below our ability, and that we could be so much better if we just put in a little effort to be kinder to one another.

And that includes not mocking people. It includes not mocking ourselves. We should culture self respect and respect for others, and we should treasure our commonalities instead of alienating one another for our differences.

It's the only point I've ever tried to make. But you don't care, nobody does.

But the thing about it is, I care.

I don't really agree with your synopsis of what I'm thinking, what with you not being a mind reader.

But at least you presented it in a way that doesn't paint me as a baby eating child molesting baby monster.

So thanks for that, I guess.

Some people don't set a high bar for you do they?

Come on, Daystar. Cheer up a bit! You do seem a bit down in the dumps. Me and Trilligan are just worried about you. [sub][sub]Not really. It's all a trap! We want your cupcake stash.[/sub][/sub]

 

[Teoes]

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I think this is where I discretely slip you ten bucks. You've won this one - see you next time?

 

[titankore]

I...I kind of feel offended by this. I don't really understand, is the comic applying negative stereotypes to white heterosexual males? And if so, is it meant to mirror the racism felt by the man in his story at the beginning? Or is it just saying that all white people are racist? Or is there perhaps some other explanation? All I know is that my race/sexual preference/gender is being made fun of, and I'm not sure if I'm okay with that. Maybe that's the point?

No, it is basically portraying the most common and false arguments made whenever there is a discussion on race going on about just about anything. It is the same for any kind of feminist conversation online, some people get so offended that other people who have higher melanin content or a vagina want equal representation in games and movies that they have to point out all the ways they are "discriminated" against.

Not all white people act this way, but it is just a very common series of arguments found online put into human form.

 

[Erttheking]

And it's not condescending to tell someone they should be a better person?

I don't think so, no.

We are all imperfect, and we can all stand to improve. Analyze our attitudes, confront the reasons we hold certain beliefs, try to empathize with our fellow man. We all make mistakes, we all have flaws, we can all do better. We all SHOULD be better.

Even the best of us have room to improve.

Well if he's equal to you then you're in no position to tell him to be a better person because if he was equal and became better then you're telling him he has to try harder than you do. If you don't consider him equal then you're being condescending.

I'm sorry, the way you set that up makes it so that you can never criticize another person ever. And that's just...no.

 

[Machine Man 1992]

The author bites his own hands.

Spoiler

Asking the question isn't the same as demanding a change, and the mere fact of the character being (in this case)white isn't racist but trying to justify it with (He's like "Well then maybe people won't be able to identify with him")
as a defense to keep a charter a certain way without the choice being about setting/time period or even just the creators decision. Then saying that everyone(male/female white/Hispanic/black/Asian/Indian/Middle Eastern/Etc Gay/Straight Short/Averge/Tall Obese/Skinny/etc. etc. etc etc. ) who would seek to play it is or should be okay with playing as a white male guy character which implies anything other than a white guy would be an inferior choice to have as the character.

Again this isn't just about if the character is X but rather why it can only be X.

I'd like to ask, why ask the question of why not make a character black if you aren't fishing for a shitstorm? There's no way to answer a loaded question like that without looking like a racist.

 

[Bluelaughter]

Although the comic attacks reactionary extremists well, it goes a little overboard. A problem is that someone might go, 'But wait, I'm white," or big, or buff, or like statistics, or a brony, etc, and mistakenly group themselves with the WGDF. Fitting into one of these categories isn't too unlikely if in the gaming community. If the 4th row of the comic was left out or changed, the comic would have been far less controversial and far funnier. This side attack on 'socially acceptable' things to attack detracts from the original message.

 

[quenlinlom]

Oh my God.

You are actually a fucking idiot.

My brain is actually leaking from how stupid you are.

AD HOMINEM ALERT AD HOMINEM ALERT AD HOMINEM ALERT

That's not an ad hominem. It's an insult and i's not clever but it's not an ad hominem guy who suspiciously only created an account to comment on this comic with edited versions of the same. (See that was an implied ad hominem).

>suspiciously only created an account to comment on this comic

>implying new accounts are automatically suspicious

Tinfoil much?

 

[Lucane]

The author bites his own hands.

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False equivalence. In this comic, his race is actually critical to the plot and changing it would actually mean something. Contrasted to the video games he is talking about, where the protagonist is white for purely business reasons and the plot wouldn't be altered if it was changed.

I think the edited version isn't breaking the fourth wall but trying to show the character as doubting himself or feeling bad and the trio are showing up to poorly denounce the idea of changing the game character's race.

 

[Calibanbutcher]

Oh fuck it. I give up. Do whatever you want. Your're right and I'm wrong.

I'm glad we finally agree on this topic

So, given that, I'm out.

Zachy! ZACHY!

Wait, I'm coming with you.

[HEADING=1]ZACHY WAIT![/HEADING]

Spoiler: Mod edit: Please add spoilers for images!

And yet, "people can't take a fucking joke" is NOT okay when used to defend a form of insult you DON'T like.

I'm not entirely sure what this means.

Halp? Someone?

"People who use this defense are rarely able to appreciate jokes that target themselves" I think.


Also Daystar, you might wanna abandon this thread, it's not worth debating here.

Cali-bear, come with me if you want to live!

EUPHORIA-TRANSFORMATION AND HOOOVER AWAAAAY. Let us escape [sub]to the movies[/sub]

(Though I shall enjoy being a spectator to this spectalce)

 

[Elementary - Dear Watson]

Could you please make as many of these as possible? They're entertaining.

I didn't make them. Three 4chan boards are currently engaging in editing them: /pol/, /v/, and /fit/.

I couldn't post most of them because The Escapist isn't really a place of unmoderated pure free speech.

Hey guess what... free speech doesn't actually give you the right to say what you want. The escapist is a company and a business, and their website is the way they want it. The views expressed by it's members reflect on the site itself. People say horrific things on 4chan because they are horrific, and that is the image 4chan wants. The escapist doesn't want that image so they moderate it to represent themselves. This is a privately owned website/business... their train set their rules, you choose to go by them and be here, or you go elsewhere.

 

[Kitsune Hunter]

a dig at Evangelion

That horse was beaten to death a long time ago with this comic. If they continued with that, it'd just be spitting on the grave.

True, but hey, if you're going to make a comic strip that will obviously piss off some people, might as well include the Evangelion fans as well, it is there go to joke after all.

Only if Sarkeesian was dressed as Rita Repulsa. That... would be... perfect.

That is genius, good sir, if Grey and Carter read this thread and plan to include the White Guy Defence Guy more in the future, I hope they read this comment.

 

[zerragonoss]

This comic was glorious. Maybe the best one they've done yet.

It made me euphoric.

And that's speaking as an atheist brony who frequents video game message boards.

But I will never wear a fedora.

You seem reasonable, I will ask you what does the atheist have anything to do with this comic? I see no religious or anti-religious iconography, or speech on/from any of these characters.

 

[Karthak]

As a white heterosexual male, I found this comic absolutely hilarious.

 

[Deathfish15]

So, let's try to pull context out of this:

1) Racial minority upset that development group said that "race doesn't matter" but stomps over that with "the character is white because it's relatable". ~~~~Yes, that is racially ignorant of the developers to say. Can't have it both ways, it's one or another: either race does matter because you're targeting a white audience, or race doesn't matter and the nothing is relatable at all, which means the character can be black/white/Latino/whatever.


2) Enter 3 challenged white, heterosexual males with an ignorant statement of being a "minority". And blame Obama for it as well ~~~~Last census in the US still showed 'whites' as the majority (though estimated to change by 2025). Furthermore, the lauding that sexuality or sex separate one's self within their own "racial group" is absurd. I guess this joke is created by the simple fact that white heterosexual males are threatened by female progressiveness, homosexuals, and minorities all at the same time. Funny because it's true. Also, Obama has nothing to do with it at all....just a scapegoat for them to blame self delusional issues on.


3) "Sup, baby. You 'mirin?" ~~~ An emphasis made to assert that these "lunks" only see females as sexual objects that admire their physical presence.


4) Friend Zone/Son Zone. ~~~ I honestly don't quite get the context of this joke. I'll throw a guess that "son" is the white Jersey version of saying "homie", where as "friend" is like in the context of a common word similar to that of Candians use - ex. "Hey, friend". Maybe I'm misunderstanding the joke because I'm not tied to the MTV sewage subculture? I hope that's the reason.


5) "Zimmerman Mode" ~~~ You really went there? Okay, this one has me baffled. I mean, the whole situation was a painful one, but it was a bunch of people yelling "racist" over a crazy man who thought a kid in a dark hoodie, going around the neighborhood late at night, was breaking into houses on his street. Paranoia kicked in and he stalked the hooded figure with a gun...got his ass kicked (don't deny it either, the police reported as such besides the images of him with bloody head wrappings), used said gun, and shot the kid. Zimmerman was Latino, not white...so that's why I'm lost on it's relation to this comic joke. The problem with the whole Zimmerman situation is that the parents of the kid (who couldn't bother fully explaining why their teenager was in that neighborhood, that late at night), as well as other figureheads ('Reverend' Jessie Jackson) were all trying to play the race card in a tragedy that seemed to be at fault of both parties without consideration of race pre-shooting.





Parts of the joke are lost in some context that I don't quite get, but the overall joke of "white heterosexual male 'lunks' are complete idiots" I did enjoy. Thank you.

 

[Imp_Emissary]

The author bites his own hands.

Spoiler

Spoiler

Why is it bad that he made the guy asking the question black? That kind of makes sense.

Also; You do realize the answer to the question is that race does matter right?

I present to everyone the supposed correct way to engage in conversation with someone you have an opposing viewpoint to.

Engaging in a civil manner with people like that is like trying to solve a problem with your lawnmower by stopping the blade with your hand.

Impractical.

Kind of true[sub](usually)[/sub], but you shouldn't go down to their level. Then you just look as bad as them. Sorry Fargo, but you could have and should have handled that much better.