WHITE GUY DEFENSE FORCE GO!

[sky14kemea]

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http://i.imgur.com/TqYBaSr.png

Welp, this thread has turned out exactly as I expected it to. Grey, I recommend you send the mods a personal apology, they sure deserve it.

I'll take my apology in the form of some kind of edible candy, please.

I'll need the sugar rush to keep up with the pace of the thread.

OT: Seriously though, you kids try to stay out of trouble please.

 

[jmarquiso]

It's the argument trotted out most frequently actually. Why are videogame protagonists largely white heterosexual males? Because gamers are supposedly largely white heterosexual males.

How many games does the sexual preference of the protagonist actually come up? A player might infer one, but usually it's left ambiguous.

Every game in which you save a princess.

 

[DugMachine]

Looks like Trilligan is back as well. The tag team duo has returned for round 2. Getting my pop corn ready

Are you being derisive on purpose?

If you don't like me you can put me on ignore, you don't have to be snide.

Oh no I enjoy your posts actually. I just find it peculiar that this new poster who very much seems like her has appeared out of the blue around the same time you started posting again after the whole situation last year.

Don't mind me, did not mean to cause offense.

 

[RJ Dalton]

Why does the black guy always die?

 

[madwarper]

yes it is harassment if you follow somebody.

Spoiler

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/harassment
harassment (either harris-meant or huh-rass-meant) n. the act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions of one party or a group, including threats and demands.

As far as I'm aware, Zimmerman had no contact with Martin prior to that night. So, I fail to see how Zimmerman's following Martin is a systematic or continued action from previous encounters.

It's the argument trotted out most frequently actually. Why are videogame protagonists largely white heterosexual males? Because gamers are supposedly largely white heterosexual males.

How many games does the sexual preference of the protagonist actually come up? A player might infer one, but usually it's left ambiguous.

Every game in which you save a princess.

So, you're saying that the desire to bone the princess is their ONLY motivation to save her? You sure you're not projecting?

 

[shoreleave]

Why does Grey Carter hate being funny anymore?

 

[Hagi]

Wait?

This is the first Critical Miss to feature a black guy? And it's a comic making fun of those who choose to make their characters white?

Am I missing something here? Are they ridiculing themselves? I'm confused...

 

[Ukomba]

It's the argument trotted out most frequently actually. Why are videogame protagonists largely white heterosexual males? Because gamers are supposedly largely white heterosexual males.

How many games does the sexual preference of the protagonist actually come up? A player might infer one, but usually it's left ambiguous.

Every game in which you save a princess.

So, Gay men and straight women can't save princesses? That's absurd. So it isn't the monarchy or just that someone is in trouble, heroes ONLY go on quests because they are attracted to the abducted person? What does that say about games where your trying to save a child, or animal, or object?

There's nothing in Mario, for example, that states he has any romantic interests in Peach. He gets nothing more than a friendly kiss on the nose and food from her as a reward. Link tends to get less than that.

 

[Ticklefist]

Wait?

This is the first Critical Miss to feature a black guy? And it's a comic making fun of those who choose to make their characters white?

Am I missing something here? Are they ridiculing themselves? I'm confused...

Well that's one way to call people on their bullshit. I'm looking forward to the follow up strip that justifies equating forum posting with murder.

 

[Blood Brain Barrier]

The most interesting part of the comic for me was the fact that most of us DO relate better to a stereotypical white protagonist and a bright orange anthropomorphic fox than a black protagonist. I haven't quite worked out why that is but I'd say it has something to do with such a incredibly big deal made out of race, as if people of different races are worlds apart. The black guy's attitude of wanting all generic protagonists black by default is so obnoxious because it makes an issue of what was not an issue before (meaning it wasn't given any thought). We (including me) even talk about 'blacks' and 'whites' as if they are significantly different groups. When we do that we can't help relating to "our" group and distinguishing it from "them", even when we don't want to and acknowledge the absurdity of doing so.

 

[verdant monkai]

I understand this is aimed primarily at racists, but why does this comic hate its audience so much?

 

[DugMachine]

Oh no I enjoy your posts actually. I just find it peculiar that this new poster who very much seems like her has appeared out of the blue around the same time you started posting again after the whole situation last year.

Don't mind me, did not mean to cause offense.

Just, telling me my posts are popcorn worthy kind of implies that I'm a walking shit-show, which just kinda felt mean-spirited.

If that's not what you meant, then fair enough. I've been a little defensive lately.

Yeah sorry, I can see how you would have taken it that way. No, I just find your posts interesting along with many other posters. I may not agree with everything you say but I like having two sides to discussions. Especially when in controversial threads I tend to be a lurker cause I don't want to get stomped in a debate .

 

[tangoprime]

Looks like Trilligan is back as well. The tag team duo has returned for round 2. Getting my pop corn ready

Are you being derisive on purpose?

If you don't like me you can put me on ignore, you don't have to be snide.

Oh no I enjoy your posts actually. I just find it peculiar that this new poster who very much seems like her has appeared out of the blue around the same time you started posting again after the whole situation last year.

Don't mind me, did not mean to cause offense.

I, on the other hand *pours popcorn into suitable bowl* wait with bated breath to see if Trilligan defends Maiev for posting something about how Hitler was just misunderstood or something. I kid, of course, while we generally were in disagreement on things, the sparring was pretty amicable and fun, and my last forum encounter with Boudica before she left was refreshingly pleasant.

Edit: Dang it... got suckered back into this thread, getting it more views despite my previous post in here.

 

[Erttheking]

I understand this is aimed primarily at racists, but why does this comic hate its audience so much?

Where do you get that impression? Last time I checked it didn't do anything to insult its audience.

 

[Weaver]

Escapist, we can make it to 20 pages! I believe in you!

Spoiler: Relevant Video

 

[Blood Brain Barrier]

I understand this is aimed primarily at racists, but why does this comic hate its audience so much?

Probably because it loves itself so much. The very existence of the thing means the authors stand morally above us in their own "defense force", believing they have the authority to condemn because they do not suffer from that which they attack. Pretty ironic actually. But human.

 

[K12]

This is the most shameless piece of flamebait I've ever seen ever. You've basically become a full on troll at this point.

I think that is probably the reason for why I don't really find it funny. It should be, but it has the same level of subtlety as Family Guy. Maybe Grey finally got fed up with all of the people who always said "I don't get it." in the comments section?

Then again it's also possible that I am just really not in the mood for laughing right now, and would find it funny if I was feeling better.

An insult to Family Guy. I didn't find this funny either. They're trying to make a point by making fun of straw man versions of points nobody actually brings up in those discussions anyway.

Straw men? I have definitely had people tell me that "white men are the group that suffer the most discrimination today" with complete sincerity. I have also had so many "is this racist?" discussions derailed by people going on a "you're just being PC" rant.

I'd say "you're just being PC" is a definitive "no" to the question 'is this racist'?

Who actually says nobody can relate to black guys? And how many bring up the friendzone?

It just seems like she's going down a checklist of things to bring up to push buttons.

"Ooh people like to make fun of people wearing fedoras so let's make one of our bad guys wear fedoras. IT'S TOPICAL!"

The "you're just being PC" is a dismissal of the point rather than a disagreement with it. It's a poisoning the well tactic equivalent knee-jerk accusations of "racism". It's derailing a discussion with a buzz word rather than an argument.

I think the knee-jerk accusation of PC is far more prevalent now than the knee-jerk racist accusation, admittedly that might just be because of the kinds of opinions I tend to express.

Whether or not a black character can be relatable to an audience is the kind of discussion that does go on between producers and creatives a lot. There are very few black main characters in things that aren't specifically aimed at a black audience.

... is one of the characters wearing a fedora really something that upsets you? I won't deny that the comic is deliberately trying to piss off standard dick-head geek archetypes but so what, its making a real point at the same time.

 

[lacktheknack]

I understand this is aimed primarily at racists, but why does this comic hate its audience so much?

Does this comic have a massive contingency of White Defendents?

No?

Then how does it hate it's audience? That... doesn't follow at all.

 

[Hagi]

Wait?

This is the first Critical Miss to feature a black guy? And it's a comic making fun of those who choose to make their characters white?

Am I missing something here? Are they ridiculing themselves? I'm confused...

Well that's one way to call people on their bullshit. I'm looking forward to the follow up strip that justifies equating forum posting with murder.

Wasn't actually meant like that, it was a genuine question considering the description text they've provided.

But I've been spamming the random around a 100 times or so now and well... there was one dead black guy I guess...

Not to imply that's necessarily wrong, they're free to draw whichever characters they wish. I'm just confused considering Grey usually seems at least a tad more self-aware, a comic like this on a platform where a 100 random comics turn up a single dead black guy seems rather hypocritical.

 

[Agayek]

Ok, honest question here for everyone:

Why exactly is this comic offensive? What specifically about it is insulting or demeaning or whatever else that would invite such umbrage? From where I'm sitting, there's literally nothing in it to get worked up about.

Is it the put-upon white guys taking up arms against the perceived racism with vaguely defined and poorly-quantified "facts"? Is it the Zimmerman reference? Is it the fact that the black guy dies, like in every action movie ever? Or is it... the fedora?

I can't see the reason why there's 10 pages of angry replies to this, nor why the entire first page is all about how the comic is pure flamebait. I just don't see it.

Someone explain please.