WHITE GUY DEFENSE FORCE GO!
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So much arguing and shitstorming over a comic. And as always fun to see the vast amount of hypocrisy that is always relevant in discussions revolving around gender and race.
It'd be nice if both sides were able to have intelligent discussions without resorting to petty insults and strawmen. Personally, I have no idea how anyone can actually believe that racism and sexism is something that only happens to specific groups. Everyone can become a victim of it, be you white, black, yellow or male or female and to suggest otherwise is to imply that a minority/majority is inherently different because of their race/gender. Which is sorta shady me thinks.
That this sort of thinking further encourages stereotypes amongst race and genders just makes it all worse in my opinion too. Women aren't frail, weak beings that we must protect, they're not always victims and women should be able to have sex as much as they sodding like, just like we men can without being basically told that you're worthless. The female sexuality is still regarded as something of "High value", something that you shalt not "waste" and this sort of mentality adds further damage to victims in general.
Because context matters, because when you and everyone else go around and say that "Rape is the worst thing imaginable and that you wont recover" along with others basically saying that women who have sex are "Sluts"... Well, you'll have victims that will have a much harder time recovering. And don't get me started on the male stereotypes and the actual impact it has.
Anyway, it's a comic, while I personally don't find it too funny, it's... Well, it's a comic, each to their own and all that. Hopefully it wont upset too many and I do also hope not too many will take it seriously and actually think the comic has valid points. It's simply portraying some mocking stereotypes of an opposition and while people like that certainly exists, it wouldn't do anyone any good to go around pretending that you're morally superior and that any points the other side makes are automatically invalid simply because they're not as "Moral" as you.
I write more than I really should, but I just love these type of topics and discussions.
(Anyway, this is just my opinion in case that wasn't obvious and you're more than welcome to enjoy this comic even though I did not, it's a free world!)
(Also, hope what I said wasn't too off-topic)
It'd be nice if both sides were able to have intelligent discussions without resorting to petty insults and strawmen. Personally, I have no idea how anyone can actually believe that racism and sexism is something that only happens to specific groups. Everyone can become a victim of it, be you white, black, yellow or male or female and to suggest otherwise is to imply that a minority/majority is inherently different because of their race/gender. Which is sorta shady me thinks.
That this sort of thinking further encourages stereotypes amongst race and genders just makes it all worse in my opinion too. Women aren't frail, weak beings that we must protect, they're not always victims and women should be able to have sex as much as they sodding like, just like we men can without being basically told that you're worthless. The female sexuality is still regarded as something of "High value", something that you shalt not "waste" and this sort of mentality adds further damage to victims in general.
Because context matters, because when you and everyone else go around and say that "Rape is the worst thing imaginable and that you wont recover" along with others basically saying that women who have sex are "Sluts"... Well, you'll have victims that will have a much harder time recovering. And don't get me started on the male stereotypes and the actual impact it has.
Anyway, it's a comic, while I personally don't find it too funny, it's... Well, it's a comic, each to their own and all that. Hopefully it wont upset too many and I do also hope not too many will take it seriously and actually think the comic has valid points. It's simply portraying some mocking stereotypes of an opposition and while people like that certainly exists, it wouldn't do anyone any good to go around pretending that you're morally superior and that any points the other side makes are automatically invalid simply because they're not as "Moral" as you.
I write more than I really should, but I just love these type of topics and discussions.
(Anyway, this is just my opinion in case that wasn't obvious and you're more than welcome to enjoy this comic even though I did not, it's a free world!)
(Also, hope what I said wasn't too off-topic)
Alright, I know getting into this is a mistake, BUT the Zimmerman quote is two-fold. Also, despite me explaining a joke, I don't claim to be a master of comedy and the intended message might be completely different. Shouldn't have to put up this disclaimer but there are way too many people on this site who is too binary in thinking.Tanis said:
1. Whether justified or not, Zimmerman shot and killed a black teenage boy. So, that was one of the reasons for the reference. Initially, this might be for shock humor. However...
2. Isn't it incredibly ironic that someone with the name "White Guy Defense Force" is using a Hispanic event for their own purposes.
While the joke as a whole might not be that incredibly funny, Zimmerman not being white is part of the joke.
A computer became self-aware today, looked upon this thread, and wiped its memory of all code that made it aware.lacktheknack said:
Is now a bad time to point out that another page has been added between the time you wrote this and the time it was posted?Scrumpmonkey said:And the other 11 pages (thus far) consist of the well forecast shitstormMuffinMan74 said:
Oh what the hell? What the hell is this comic? Seriously? You guys think this comic is accurate? That it's slinging hard truths? Are you really, by some unfathomable mental gymnastics, able to rationalize it as anything other than a strawman argument based on offensive stereotypes?
And for fuck's sake, stop bringing up "euphoric". The quote that came from was a parody to begin with.
And for fuck's sake, stop bringing up "euphoric". The quote that came from was a parody to begin with.
It's the fedora...definitely the fedora.Agayek said:
Seriously though, from what I gathered it's the fact that Grey is laughing while (allegedly) making a straw man argument. Others are indeed upset over the Zimmerman comment seeing as how the jury specifically said they found no evidence of racial motivation on Zimmerman's behalf during the incident. Others seem to just be upset by the fact that Grey even posted such a comic in the first place, seeing it as nothing but a deliberate act purely to stir up trouble.
Personally I see Grey laughing his ass off while writing up the story for this comic. I don't begrudge him for writing it, but he HAD to know what this would turn into considering how explosive things get in the Off-Topic Discussion and even moreso in the Religion and Politics forum. Considering insights to Grey's politics in the past, can't say this really goes against his beliefs so it's not like he just made the comic up for the heck of it, but I just picture him giggling with glee as he knocks over an entire vat of worms by posting this comic.
I'll raise you a tumblr http://shittywebcomics.tumblr.com/Gizen said:I see your fake Shortpacked! comic and raise you a real one.Monxeroth said:Oooh, is this the strawman game? Please tell me its the strawman game.
[Strawman]
>New Game
>Load
>Options
>Exit
Yes! It is!
[Would you like to play?]
Damn right i would!
[snip]
AND its Strawpacked tags http://shittywebcomics.tumblr.com/tagged/strawpacked ...
I assume you can demonstrate that.Ultratwinkie said:
Hey, after all those conservative economists have said for decades that it takes 4-8 years for an economy to turn around. Why is it suddenly bad to apply the same logic?RJ 17 said:Just because I like poking hornets' nests: "You mean kinda like how the majority of people polled during the last election still blamed Bush for the economy and pretty much everything else that's wrong with the country despite the fact that he's been out of the office for (at the time) four years?"
Joking aside, the thought of computer suicide actually made me kind of sad.The Gentleman said:
We seem to be cruising at one post every ~3 minutes. As far as the Escapist goes, we've achieved lightspeed.The Gentleman said:Is now a bad time to point out that another page has been added between the time you wrote this and the time it was posted?Scrumpmonkey said:And the other 11 pages (thus far) consist of the well forecast shitstormMuffinMan74 said:
Because all the liberals said that very logic was a big load of BS "Because look at the Clinton years!" and yet now they're trying to use it for themselves?Zachary Amaranth said:Hey, after all those conservative economists have said for decades that it takes 4-8 years for an economy to turn around. Why is it suddenly bad to apply the same logic?RJ 17 said:Just because I like poking hornets' nests: "You mean kinda like how the majority of people polled during the last election still blamed Bush for the economy and pretty much everything else that's wrong with the country despite the fact that he's been out of the office for (at the time) four years?"
How else are we going to justify our anger at this, though? It touches on something uncomfortable, so....Master of the Skies said:
I think the fact that this has already hit over 500 comments shows just how right Grey and Cory are here. Yes it's blatantly absurd but that's often at the heart of satire, and as for whether or not it was well done or accurate is open to your own interpretation.
It's the fact that this comic got so much attention as opposed to so many topics on other issues like race or gender. And yes this was designed to be particularly inflammatory, but even then it's central premise is that "there are white dudes that act like dicks about race/gender while pretending they're the ones being discriminated against". Is that really so damn hard to agree with?
Case in point;
http://cheezburger.com/7790467840
Someone found this photo so upsetting or obnoxious that they had to try to publicly shame the girl for cosplaying as something they didn't like. The girl in the picture is being dismissed, insulted, and degraded, for what? The person's ego? The sheer disbelief that a woman could be doing this for any reason besides attention?
Sure the actual degree to which that particular instance was motivated by anything sexist is debatable, but even if it wasn't then the net result is still someone being an asshole to another person (and trying to get an audience for this) over a harmless, creative endeavor. Since when the fuck do we accept and justify meanness like that?
Another caveat, I'm not pretending this is only limited to white dudes being dicks to non-white dudes, or that you can't be insulted or bothered by something because it's mean to white dudes. Just the other day on twitter I saw a little poem about "stabbing white male gamers in the balls", and I honestly felt that was over the line. I get where it's coming from since I've seen more jokes about kicking women in the gut to cause abortions that one really should be comfortable with. And in numerous cases these were directed at specific individuals where the humor, rather than coming from the absurdity and having a dark sense of humor about tragedy, was about how funny it would be that such a fate should befall that individual. That. Is. Fucked. Up.
God I've probably ranted like crazy by now and my thoughts are scattered all over the place. I seriously have a crap ton to say about this and I'm finally starting to write it out, so forgive me for the mess. It's just that I've spent a lot of time thinking about this stuff lately (since it's been directly affecting people I know) and I had to get some of it out there. Maybe I'll talk more about this in the future at some other place. Whatever, done for the moment.
It's the fact that this comic got so much attention as opposed to so many topics on other issues like race or gender. And yes this was designed to be particularly inflammatory, but even then it's central premise is that "there are white dudes that act like dicks about race/gender while pretending they're the ones being discriminated against". Is that really so damn hard to agree with?
Case in point;
http://cheezburger.com/7790467840
Someone found this photo so upsetting or obnoxious that they had to try to publicly shame the girl for cosplaying as something they didn't like. The girl in the picture is being dismissed, insulted, and degraded, for what? The person's ego? The sheer disbelief that a woman could be doing this for any reason besides attention?
Sure the actual degree to which that particular instance was motivated by anything sexist is debatable, but even if it wasn't then the net result is still someone being an asshole to another person (and trying to get an audience for this) over a harmless, creative endeavor. Since when the fuck do we accept and justify meanness like that?
Another caveat, I'm not pretending this is only limited to white dudes being dicks to non-white dudes, or that you can't be insulted or bothered by something because it's mean to white dudes. Just the other day on twitter I saw a little poem about "stabbing white male gamers in the balls", and I honestly felt that was over the line. I get where it's coming from since I've seen more jokes about kicking women in the gut to cause abortions that one really should be comfortable with. And in numerous cases these were directed at specific individuals where the humor, rather than coming from the absurdity and having a dark sense of humor about tragedy, was about how funny it would be that such a fate should befall that individual. That. Is. Fucked. Up.
God I've probably ranted like crazy by now and my thoughts are scattered all over the place. I seriously have a crap ton to say about this and I'm finally starting to write it out, so forgive me for the mess. It's just that I've spent a lot of time thinking about this stuff lately (since it's been directly affecting people I know) and I had to get some of it out there. Maybe I'll talk more about this in the future at some other place. Whatever, done for the moment.
I wonder how many times I have to say "sauce for the gander" before it actually resonates somewhere.RJ 17 said:
Zimmerman was never actually beaten. That was proven to be false testimony in the trial.Alek_the_Great said:
Also, yay! So many people are mad. Good job Grey.
That's just because you didn't yet see how it can be funny when Marvin the Paranoid Android is involved.Vitagen said:
Should totally go to ludicrous speed. But I must say while I find the actual comic rather inconsequential on its own (doesn't matter that it's a featured piece of content here, the internet is a big place and in that light, this is both tame and irrelevant), it's quite interesting in tandem with this week's Jimquisition.
It comes across as rather funky that both this comic and this video [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/8049-Creative-Freedom-Strings-Attached] came out basically just a few days apart...
Doesn't preclude friends. Oh wait, it totally does. Because ponies.Ultratwinkie said:
Because I was questioning an already given rationale, one you're trying to play both sides on. Sweet. I can see you're going to spend a lot of time harping on Trayvon being a "thug" and whatnot, because screw honesty.
