WHITE GUY DEFENSE FORCE GO!

[Gizen]

How about you actually read up on some stuff? Sure males have alot of privledges, but that comes at a price, like 93% of workplace deaths are males (i dont know how to source on the escapist), and dont come banging the glass ceiling without taking a look in the glass cellar.

Role theory, away!

Okay, this isn't religion and politics forum and you're not really trying, so I'm not going to make this too long. But this kind of thinking sucks because it's basically a conspiracy theory with no conspirators. The only form of "oppression" in this scheme is failing to meet the exacting standards of "society", society in this case having no relationship to actual human beings and being merely the effects of socialization.

The problem is that when you actually get out and talk to men who take on dangerous jobs, when you talk to men who join the military, when you talk to heavy industrial workers, you quickly realize that they aren't undervalued. They aren't detested by society, they aren't consigned to the bottom of the heap by society's deep loathing of men as a group. Actually they're often some of the most respected men within their particular cultural schema (which may not be the same as all of society) and men will compete to occupy these positions, even when confronted with the possibility of easier or safer work. Even if these positions do not entail much power or wealth they're often held up as paragons of masculinity and virtue, and part of this respect is due to the assumed ability of those men (and to a lesser extent men in general) to handle risk, to deal with difficult situations. This kind of high-risk behavior does not indicate worthlessness or disposability at all, it actually indicates effectiveness and competence, through the presumed ability to deal with risk.

In fact, isn't that pretty much what you're saying here? "Men deserve respect because they do all the hard and dirty work"? If this "glass cellar" was such a terrible thing, why would you say that? Why wouldn't you be wanting to help all the poor brainwashed men who have clearly become convinced of their own disposability at the hands of an evil feminized society or whatever? Oh right, because they haven't, and you know that really. They do these things because they are rewarding, because they grant genuine social legitimacy which, to some degree, all men benefit from. This isn't a reason why men are oppressed, it's a reason why men remain socially dominant.

I dont agree with that sentiment, there is no way anyone considers say a nurse (typical female job) in someway less than a garbace collector, a sewage pumper or a dockworker. In fact, its pretty much the opposite. Are you really trying to imply that even the fact that men get all the shittiest, dirtiest low income jobs is somehow a male priviledge? Thats kind of funny.

Yeah, see, the thing about being a garbage collector, sewage pumper, etc., the reason why those jobs are looked down on has absolutely nothing to do with them being typically male jobs, and everything to do with the fact that those jobs are often very filthy. They're even looked down on by other men, as are most similarly dirty jobs, because nobody wants to do them. But people, often men, take them anyways, and usually the people who do take them know that they're being looked down on and don't really care. Do you know why? It's because while they're being looked down on, they're laughing all the way to the bank, because those 'shitty' jobs tend to be fairly high paying, specifically to entice people to come do them knowing that otherwise nobody would. They're also jobs that people will always need, so they have solid job security too.

A nurse meanwhile (which nowadays is getting to be less and less thought of as a female-specific job, as male nurses and female doctors grow more and more frequent), is specifically looked up on not because women are stereotypically the ones to fill the role, but because that job is actively saving their life.

 

[Overquoted]

Hah, youre funny. Yes this comic makes fun of white stereotypes, like the overamped manlet, the fat mlp brony and the fedora wearing pseudo intellectual. There you have your stereotypes. I dont see how "fat, socially inept brony" is somehow less offensive than "lazy". Hell, I'm lazy, Ill even admit that. Its also even called "white guy defense force" so you cant really argue that it isnt specifically aimed at white men. They are also no more true for the average white male population than the lazy black guy. So so far everything you have said is just wrong.

The rest of your post is fairly bloated and in need of some editing. I suppose you mean to say that it is supposed to be baiting people into complaining about how it is always open season on white males? Well, touché, here we are.

That doesn't invalidate that claim in the slightest tho. It is the equivalent shouting N****R in harlem and then that somehow is making fun of the black people who would come out and ask you what the fuck.

*facepalms* 'White Guy Defense Force' is not aimed at all white men. It's saying that those who pipe up with, "Omg, reverse racism," feel they are defending all white men. And they aren't. They are actually reacting to any challenge to the status quo. Turning a white character black is not simply trying to reflect modern day reality, it is a racially motivated attack on white men. That's what the 'White Guy Defense Force' is. It's a defense against an attack that never existed in the first place. (And again, I don't think most white guys notice or care about small, incremental changes like that. But for those who do, it is cause for an insane amount of vitriol.)

Is it a stereotype if most people don't recognize the reference? Is it a stereotype if it isn't applied to a group as a whole (as in, all white men are either fat bronies, pseudo intellectuals or frat-types)?

Is it a comic mocking those who scream about reverse racism by portraying them as egotistical bros, fat bronies and fake intellectuals? Going to go with yes.

Or, to clarify, you and the original poster I replied to, are not representatives of white men. You are the outliers. You are the ones seeing problems where there are none and then overreacting (like seeing a black man reaching for non-existent gun). There are a lot of you, sure, but there are just as many who'd laugh at you. But keep defending white men, brah. They are, after all, the most disenfranchised and discriminated against of all groups in America.

And really, that's what the comic is really about. In a country where an unarmed black kid gets murdered, and his murderer is walking free, the real issue is not the obvious and incredibly damaging racism (or sexism, if you want to talk of other issues) that exists. It's actually that a few white guys occasionally get called out for their crap or are sometimes made fun of. The horror.

Hate to break it to you, mate, but even if sexism and racism disappeared tomorrow, we'd all still be made fun of. The difference is in whether it's actually impacting your life. Are you suffering longer, harsher prison sentences? Do you die younger than other ethnicities? Do you suffer higher unemployment? Lower pay? Are you more likely to experience violence at the hands of others? Do you fear walking alone at night?

Nope. But a comic made fun of you, specifically (though not all white men). And that's cause for concern.

 

[Shadowstar38]

And I brought up the drugs because the other poster thought Trayvon was on his way to see his friends. A bold faced lie when we know full well what Trayvon was doing. Trayvon didn't have any close friends in the area. He was brand new.

Sure. You somehow know exactly what he was planning on doing and that he didn't know anyone in the area. Wait...how?

No report ever mention him visiting a friend. Just buying the stuff and going home. In fact, the police would have found his local friends to create a timeline of what happened that night.

There was no friend. A friend would have stepped up to the police to help the investigation if that was true just like Jeantel did. All we have is Jeantel, who Trayvon was on the phone with. That's it. That's the only third party related to Trayvon there was: His girlfriend.

His texts were released, and it showed he was brand new to the area because his mother sent him to his father, because he was suspended from school. All his interactions with his friends were from the phone.

There is no evidence to support any claim that he was visiting anyone. There is only evidence he out to buy skittles and ice tea.

There is no evidence to support the existence of this imaginary friend. You might as well say he was on his way to talk to Jesus himself, Michael jackson's amusement park, or going to OJ's house. Because this imaginary friend is just as absurd as that.

No evidence, no friend.

But there's no evidence to support he doesn't exist.

Checkmate.

It's like creationism!

Wait...

See. This guy actually gets what's going on.

 

[SidheKnight]

The problems with this comic:

1) It libels George Zimmerman, who has already been found not guilty by a jury.
2) It's offensive to bronies, fedora-wearing atheists, fat people, and white nerds in general.

I do however agree with the points raised by the young black man in the comic.

And I do get pissed when white gamers use the "political correctness" argument to keep the medium as un-diverse and exclusive as possible.

As for white straight males being the only demographic that is still legally able to be discriminated against, it's true. You can relativize the importance of this problem, but you can't deny it's existance.

Again, this doesn't justify the actual discriminating crap minorities and women have to endure in videogames everyday, and it's our responsibility to make this medium as inclusive as possible.

Other than that, I laughed a lot with this comic.

If you think I am mistaken, please let me know.


P.S: If you get banned in this site, do they tell you the reason why? Something tells me I might get banned for this post..

Well they link to the post that gets you banned at least.

Just don't call people names, post 'first', try to advertise (this includes making a topic about a video you made) or post a response that's only a few words (even if it's responding yes to a yes or no question) and you'll be fine.

I mean you can act condescending, call their ideas stupid and talk down to them but just don't insult them.

Thanks for the advise =)

Oh and since you don't seem like a jerk, why does anyone consider diversity amongst game characters an issue? And more importantly why do people complain about this by going after people who make their characters a white guy (or just a guy).

I don't think I understand the question.

Why is diversity amongst videogame characters important? Because gaming is a wonderful medium, and it's a pitty that a large portion of the playerbase can't play with characters they can identify with. It'd be as if all movies always had white male protagonists. The question I'd ask is the opposite one: why do all gaming protagonists have to be white males (Here I'm excluding "customizable" characters a la Sheppard or non-human protagonists like Sonic)?

I recommend this video a lot, it's by our very own MovieBob (from Escape to the Movies and The Big Picture) who goes by "The Game Overthinker" in his gaming blog, here's the vid:

Spoiler: Mod edit: Please add spoilers to your videos!

 

[Overquoted]

On an actual serious note: never understood the needless complexity of the argument regarding character race. There's no need for anything more complex than "we wanted him to be white". The author, not the reader, chooses his characters. Changing a character's race, gender or what have you under pressure to appease group X is just as bad as anything else. I always find myself asking; if it doesn't matter that the main character is X or Y (in this case white or black) why can't he remain X then? It doesn't have to be any more complicated than that.

Well, I briefly worked in the publishing industry and I still follow news and scandals to a degree. And from what I recall, there was (and may still be) an issue with book covers. Specifically, the characters would be described as non-white, and then the covers would have white characters. The idea being that if non-white characters were on the cover, the publisher would sell fewer books.

So, there is an economic imperative now (nevermind during the time period in which many comic book characters were initially created) to adhere to a white ethnicity. So sure, changing a character's race can, in a vacuum, seem like appeasing one group over another. But it's more about recognizing past and current racism that has created the idea that only white characters are profitable (and therefore only white characters are created).

Baby steps, dude. Change a few characters to black, prove the comics/movies still sell just as well, and maybe publishers and movie studios will be more willing to be race-blind themselves.

 

[Abomination]

As an african american male

Do you know what the most hilarious part of this whole thing is? One would hope that saying such as I quoted shouldn't carry more weight. The scary thing is, for some reason, it does carry more weight.

I would hope the value or impact of someone's opinion on a subject not be determined by their race, gender, sex, sexual preference, religion, nationality, age or socio-economic background - but unfortunately in some scenarios it is... and often it does nothing more than perpetrate the very issue. In this case it isn't your fault but the fact that stating you are black makes your opinion carry more weight than any other is also insulting*.

*This is not saying you are insulting anyone - far from it. The situation surrounding how your opinion is received by others is the insulting part. Your use of it I feel is not insulting either, and I can not blame you for doing so as I feel it also highlights the point you are making even more.

 

[Gizen]

On an actual serious note: never understood the needless complexity of the argument regarding character race. There's no need for anything more complex than "we wanted him to be white". The author, not the reader, chooses his characters. Changing a character's race, gender or what have you under pressure to appease group X is just as bad as anything else. I always find myself asking; if it doesn't matter that the main character is X or Y (in this case white or black) why can't he remain X then? It doesn't have to be any more complicated than that.

It doesn't need to be anything more complex than "we wanted him to be white", except most of the time that's not what it is. Quite often, it's something even simpler and stupider than that. A large portion of the time, the character being white isn't even a conscious decision of the author, so much as it's something the author never put any thought into at all. The author is white, his friends/co-workers are white, he's making up a character and just makes the character white because that's the default they're used to and they never even considered the alternative.

People on both sides of the issue frequently give creators too much credit. People who are tired of seeing everyone in comics/movies/video games being a white man and ask for it to be different. The creator's defenders come to proclaim that that's what the creator intended and how dare anyone challenge their creative vision. Everyone fights, while the truth is that the creator has no problem making the character black, or a girl, but the thought simply never occurred to them.

One side proclaims racism, the other side defends bold creative intent, when the truth is often nothing more than simple laziness during the character design process. Hardly a source of bigotry, but neither is it something worthy of defense.

And then sometimes it's not even the creator, but rather it'll be marketing people being stupid, and seriously, fuck those guys.

 

[Overquoted]

The author is white, his friends/co-workers are white, he's making up a character and just makes the character white because that's the default they're used to and they never even considered the alternative.

And then sometimes it's not even the creator, but rather it'll be marketing people being stupid, and seriously, fuck those guys.

This. 100%. Default or marketing. >_O

 

[Overquoted]

As an african american male

Do you know what the most hilarious part of this whole thing is? One would hope that saying such as I quoted shouldn't carry more weight. The scary thing is, for some reason, it does carry more weight.

I would hope the value or impact of someone's opinion on a subject not be determined by their race, gender, sex, sexual preference, religion, nationality, age or socio-economic background - but unfortunately in some scenarios it is... and often it does nothing more than perpetrate the very issue. In this case it isn't your fault but the fact that stating you are black makes your opinion carry more weight than any other is also insulting*.

*This is not saying you are insulting anyone - far from it. The situation surrounding how your opinion is received by others is the insulting part. Your use of it I feel is not insulting either, and I can not blame you for doing so as I feel it also highlights the point you are making even more.

*stares* Maybe it carries more weight because he's actually experienced the world in a different way and it's relevant to the situation? Kind of like if a fast food worker expresses an opinion about working conditions in the kitchen of a Mickey D's...their opinion would carry more weight than someone who has never worked fast food.

So...his opinion doesn't carry more weight in every situation. He probably wouldn't even bring it up in other discussions. But I suspect you were trying to get at something more anyway. Maybe that his opinion counts more cuz you're a white dude and he's not? *goes back to banging head against the wall*

 

[bunji]

Its kinda funny that you people actually think that it is somehow both a positive male image and male priviledge that men take the worst jobs out there. And I dont know how it is in the US, but where I live, garbage collectors make far less than a nurse, have a lower social standing, and his jobsecurity is horrible because everyone could do the job if they wanted to replace him. And thats not just an arbitrary anectdote, its an example for gods sake. What do you want me to ramble of every little job possible?

It was also just one single example on how reality is alot more complex than MEN OPRESSOR WOMAN OPRESSED, but I guess a nuanced worldview isnt really the forte of most people.

 

[Abomination]

*stares* Maybe it carries more weight because he's actually experienced the world in a different way and it's relevant to the situation? Kind of like if a fast food worker expresses an opinion about working conditions in the kitchen of a Mickey D's...their opinion would carry more weight than someone who has never worked fast food.

So...his opinion doesn't carry more weight in every situation. He probably wouldn't even bring it up in other discussions. But I suspect you were trying to get at something more anyway. Maybe that his opinion counts more cuz you're a white dude and he's not? *goes back to banging head against the wall*

Yeah, I mean, it's completely logical to consider the opinions of a black man more than the opinions of a white man when discussing the notion that white men can be discriminated against.

If I was to ask a black man if they had ever been discriminated against because of his race and/or sex/gender and he replied that he had an I valued his opinion less because he's not white that would be racist.

Yet in this scenario when introducing the idea that a white man can be discriminated against because of his race and/or sex/gender a white man's opinion is valued less because he is a white man... but that's somehow NOT discriminatory?

The entire point of the argument is that non-white males are not exclusively discriminated against. Yet in that very argument the white male's opinion is worth less than a black male's opinion... which just proves the argument.

This is simply a case of someone eating a cake and having it too.

Edit - changed "simple" to "simply".

 

[Overquoted]

Its kinda funny that you people actually think that it is somehow both a positive male image and male priviledge that men take the worst jobs out there. And I dont know how it is in the US, but where I live, garbage collectors make far less than a nurse, have a lower social standing, and his jobsecurity is horrible because everyone could do the job if they wanted to replace him. And thats not just an arbitrary anectdote, its an example for gods sake. What do you want me to ramble of every little job possible?

It was also just one single example on how reality is alot more complex than MEN OPRESSOR WOMAN OPRESSED, but I guess a nuanced worldview isnt really the forte of most people.

Comparing garbage collection to nursing isn't correct. Nursing requires education, skills. Compare it instead to say, grocery store stocking. No education or skills necessary beyond basic physical ability. And yeah, in that case, garbage collectors make more money. By far.

http://work.chron.com/national-average-income-garbageman-6642.html

I make less than that average and I have both education (though not required for my job) and work in a semi-skilled position. And I work in a female-dominated industry, with zero job security. So...remind me, what was your argument? Oh, nuance. Hmph.

 

[Lilani]

Well, I briefly worked in the publishing industry and I still follow news and scandals to a degree. And from what I recall, there was (and may still be) an issue with book covers. Specifically, the characters would be described as non-white, and then the covers would have white characters. The idea being that if non-white characters were on the cover, the publisher would sell fewer books.

I've also heard this is the reason some female authors publish their names in such a way that disguises their gender, like J.K. Rowling. The idea being men and boys tend to pass up books written by women more often, so if the book is meant to either appeal to males or both sexes the author disguises her sex to avoid this.

And holy shit on a stick, guys, look at that. 20 pages. I must admit I literally laughed out loud when I scrolled at the bottom of the comic and saw like 680 comments.

 

[Overquoted]

Yeah, I mean, it's completely logical to consider the opinions of a black man more than the opinions of a white man when discussing the notion that white men can be discriminated against.

If I was to ask a black man if they had ever been discriminated against because of his race and/or sex/gender and he replied that he had an I valued his opinion less because he's not white that would be racist.

Yet in this scenario when introducing the idea that a white man can be discriminated against because of his race and/or sex/gender a white man's opinion is valued less because he is a white man... but that's somehow NOT discriminatory?

The entire point of the argument is that non-white males are not exclusively discriminated against. Yet in that very argument the white male's opinion is worth less than a black male's opinion... which just proves the argument.

This is simply a case of someone eating a cake and having it too.

Edit - changed "simple" to "simply".

Not that it is worth less. But that your experiences are far, far less likely to compare to his. So when you and other white guys (or white women) complain about racism directed towards white people, what specifically is it being compared to? Seriously, man. That's what drives me nuts, every time.

I moved from a major metro area with a relatively diverse population to a small city that is heavily white. And it astounds me how obvious and widespread the racism is. But boy, it sure is difficult to be associated with an ethnicity that has historically been racist. And it's definitely more difficult to be white in a country with on-going issues with race than it is to be a member of a non-white ethnicity. Totally.

So yeah, his opinion carries more weight because, you know what? He's probably experienced not just one or two instances of discrimination, but many. It's probably impacted his life from birth. Meanwhile, the most common argument for racism against whites is either political correctness or affirmative defense. Or someone made a joke.

Here, let me give you an example of how a woman's opinion would carry more weight than yours: in almost any discussion about sexual violence. Not because men don't experience rape (and any man who said they'd did would have equal footing in such a discussion), but because the average guy either has not, or has not experienced it to the degree and regularity that many women have.

Degree and regularity. Those words. Get it? So unless you got a bunch of examples of how you've been discriminated against in real life, I recommend you give the victim card back to whoever you stole it from.

 

[Ramzal]

*stares* Maybe it carries more weight because he's actually experienced the world in a different way and it's relevant to the situation? Kind of like if a fast food worker expresses an opinion about working conditions in the kitchen of a Mickey D's...their opinion would carry more weight than someone who has never worked fast food.

So...his opinion doesn't carry more weight in every situation. He probably wouldn't even bring it up in other discussions. But I suspect you were trying to get at something more anyway. Maybe that his opinion counts more cuz you're a white dude and he's not? *goes back to banging head against the wall*

Yeah, I mean, it's completely logical to consider the opinions of a black man more than the opinions of a white man when discussing the notion that white men can be discriminated against.

If I was to ask a black man if they had ever been discriminated against because of his race and/or sex/gender and he replied that he had an I valued his opinion less because he's not white that would be racist.

Yet in this scenario when introducing the idea that a white man can be discriminated against because of his race and/or sex/gender a white man's opinion is valued less because he is a white man... but that's somehow NOT discriminatory?

The entire point of the argument is that non-white males are not exclusively discriminated against. Yet in that very argument the white male's opinion is worth less than a black male's opinion... which just proves the argument.

This is simply a case of someone eating a cake and having it too.

Edit - changed "simple" to "simply".

Well, to be perfectly clear (And I am not saying you think this at all. I hate putting words in peoples mouths. So forgive me if I do, that's not my intention) I just want to say that I don't think my opinion is worth more than a white man/woman's opinion. The reason why I opened that way was because whenever I WOULD speak out against things like this I would immediately be dismissed as a KKK member. No, seriously. It happens a lot. It's ridiculous how badly whites get treated for having an opinion that doesn't fall under what is believed/said by the masses. I didn't mean to have my words carry any more weight than anyone else, I'm just tired of being accused of being a racist against blacks because I don't have the author's outlook on things.

My wife is white and she's been under the racism-catching-bus far more than I have. She has been insulted, threatened, and attacked for having the audacity of being white and having an opinion/looking different/daring to exist.

My entire rage about this comic is the fact that it just helps paint the picture of "Blacks vs Whites." When in reality (At least in my life), I have been an equal more often in the eyes whites than I have been to blacks for my opinions, as I would be casted into the pile of "Honkey, cracker, whiteboy" if they are on the internet and don't know my race, and an "Oreo" more often than not if they -do- know my race IRL.

Again, I am sorry if it seemed that I was using my race to carry the weight of my opinion. It wasn't my intention.

 

[Abomination]

Not that it is worth less. But that your experiences are far, far less likely to compare to his. So when you and other white guys (or white women) complain about racism directed towards white people, what specifically is it being compared to? Seriously, man. That's what drives me nuts, every time.

Who says it is being compared to anything? Are you attempting to appeal to worst circumstances as an excuse for it happening? Something negative is negative regardless of what is happening in other locations. If you wish to debate proportionate suffering between the discrimination or oppression other races/genders suffer in comparison to white males that's a different topic.

But again, you are saying that a white male's opinion on if white men are being discriminated against in a certain area is worth LESS than a black man's because a black man is discriminated against more in OTHER areas.

To use your fast-food worker as an analogy. It would be like a fast food worker's opinion of how accountants can be mistreated in accountancy firms holding more value than an accountant's because a fast-food worker is more likely to be mistreated than an accountant in their respective work places. But we're not talking about in workplaces overall, we are talking about if accountants can and are mistreated AT ALL in their specific workplace.

I moved from a major metro area with a relatively diverse population to a small city that is heavily white. And it astounds me how obvious and widespread the racism is. But boy, it sure is difficult to be associated with an ethnicity that has historically been racist. And it's definitely more difficult to be white in a country with on-going issues with race than it is to be a member of a non-white ethnicity. Totally.

So yeah, his opinion carries more weight because, you know what? He's probably experienced not just one or two instances of discrimination, but many. It's probably impacted his life from birth. Meanwhile, the most common argument for racism against whites is either political correctness or affirmative defense. Or someone made a joke.

Here, let me give you an example of how a woman's opinion would carry more weight than yours: in almost any discussion about sexual violence. Not because men don't experience rape (and any man who said they'd did would have equal footing in such a discussion), but because the average guy either has not, or has not experienced it to the degree and regularity that many women have.

Degree and regularity. Those words. Get it? So unless you got a bunch of examples of how you've been discriminated against in real life, I recommend you give the victim card back to whoever you stole it from.

How does this relate in any way as to IF white males are discriminated against? Nobody is saying that white men have it worse in other areas.

We aren't talking about other areas. We are talking about in race and gender debates where a while male's opinion is discriminated against.

And you're doing it right now.

 

[Abomination]

Well, to be perfectly clear (And I am not saying you think this at all. I hate putting words in peoples mouths. So forgive me if I do, that's not my intention) I just want to say that I don't think my opinion is worth more than a white man/woman's opinion.

No no no. I never said you did either. I understand completely and am not in any way dismissing your opinion. I am simply highlighting and agreeing with what you say immediately after this very quote I'm quoting:

The reason why I opened that way was because whenever I WOULD speak out against things like this I would immediately be dismissed as a KKK member. No, seriously. It happens a lot. It's ridiculous how badly whites get treated for having an opinion that doesn't fall under what is believed/said by the masses. I didn't mean to have my words carry any more weight than anyone else, I'm just tired of being accused of being a racist against blacks because I don't have the author's outlook on things.

My wife is white and she's been under the racism-catching-bus far more than I have. She has been insulted, threatened, and attacked for having the audacity of being white and having an opinion/looking different/daring to exist.

My entire rage about this comic is the fact that it just helps paint the picture of "Blacks vs Whites." When in reality (At least in my life), I have been an equal more often in the eyes whites than I have been to blacks for my opinions, as I would be casted into the pile of "Honkey, cracker, whiteboy" if they are on the internet and don't know my race, and an "Oreo" more often than not if they -do- know my race IRL.

Again, I am sorry if it seemed that I was using my race to carry the weight of my opinion. It wasn't my intention.

I do not believe you were using the race card at all... I am just pointing out the terrible irony of the scenario in that it DOES carry more weight and I hold nothing against you for using it as a primary example as to proving your point in the first place. The fact is does carry more weight proves the very point you're making. It's essentially a self-evident truth.

 

[Overquoted]

Well, to be perfectly clear (And I am not saying you think this at all. I hate putting words in peoples mouths. So forgive me if I do, that's not my intention) I just want to say that I don't think my opinion is worth more than a white man/woman's opinion. The reason why I opened that way was because whenever I WOULD speak out against things like this I would immediately be dismissed as a KKK member. No, seriously. It happens a lot. It's ridiculous how badly whites get treated for having an opinion that doesn't fall under what is believed/said by the masses. I didn't mean to have my words carry any more weight than anyone else, I'm just tired of being accused of being a racist against blacks because I don't have the author's outlook on things.

My wife is white and she's been under the racism-catching-bus far more than I have. She has been insulted, threatened, and attacked for having the audacity of being white and having an opinion/looking different/daring to exist.

My entire rage about this comic is the fact that it just helps paint the picture of "Blacks vs Whites." When in reality (At least in my life), I have been an equal more often in the eyes whites than I have been to blacks for my opinions, as I would be casted into the pile of "Honkey, cracker, whiteboy" if they are on the internet and don't know my race, and an "Oreo" more often than not if they -do- know my race IRL.

Again, I am sorry if it seemed that I was using my race to carry the weight of my opinion. It wasn't my intention.

Never saw your original post, but you're lucky. I see more examples of the opposite where I live. Unmarked cars with dudes in vests pulling over a coworker who has just passed a background check and patting him down. Outright racism, with slurs and all. The university I went to last year had major issues with racism in the dorms. Really nasty stuff, not just slurs.

And personally, I've never experienced an ethnic-based attack or discrimination that I'm aware of. Unless you count being jumped by a group of Hispanic and African American girls in high school, but I don't think that was a race thing. Especially since the same girls would attack anyone.

Gender-based discrimination/attacks, on the other hand? Pain in my ass.

 

[Neverhoodian]

Spoiler: Mods: Since when has spoiler tags been required for images/videos? EDIT: Just checked the posting guidelines again, and this is apparently a rule now. Huh. Must have missed that change. Kind of a bummer if you ask me, since it means fewer people will bother to click the video. Oh well, what can you do?

Just back away slowly. No sudden movements. Avoid eye contact...

 

[Rakschas]

not gonna read 21 pages of controversy, no disrespect. seeing how out of control this whole thing has spun, this comic still proves to be a good lesson for both creators and audience to never go full retard.