WHITE GUY DEFENSE FORCE GO!
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I'm a white guy under 30, I suppose this is aimed at guys my age, and I just don't get how this has nearly 1000 responses. I obviously don't get the whole joke, I don't even know who's this Zimmerman guy. And I didn't read a single response besides the "Shit, we've almost hit 1000" guy above me, so I hope it's almost 30 pages of rainbows, cats, unicorns and shit. I have a hunch it isn't, though.
Maybe the next comic should focus on angry internet men being raped by the dick of tumblr social justice. That would be pretty funny. (Yes, I'm in the "anything goes" camp)
Maybe the next comic should focus on angry internet men being raped by the dick of tumblr social justice. That would be pretty funny. (Yes, I'm in the "anything goes" camp)
No. It's apparently some jerky guy for Reddit or something. I'm not 100% on that, but that's what I've heard.kklawm said:
Also, you don't see Yahtzee in his hat that much now[sub](ZP doesn't really count)[/sub].
Sounds like quite the underestimation at this point...Ishal said:
I take it you're not disappointed?
Dansrage said:
Oh, the laugh I got off this. You are a piece of work yourself.
I'll take your figures as a given, though I have my doubts they're correct.
A) Declining white populations has little to do with genocide. Post-industrial societies have declining birth rates. At the same time, intermarriage between groups is increasing (meaning more people descend from multiple ethnicities) and the declining child and maternity mortality rates mean the fertility rates in developing countries (primarily non-white) have been rising for decades.
B) Why should any racial group be a majority? You assume white people will become a minority, but that's not true. WGDF people in my state (Texas) are crying about becoming a minority when all that's happened so far is that the division is eliminating a majority. In other words, no one group will have above 50% representation. We'll all be minorities.
C) You seem to think that your majority is the only thing keeping non-whites from hurting you. I really, really doubt that. And it's pretty offensive for you to suggest it.
D) Because Group A did something bad excuses Group B from doing the same thing on a much more massive and sustained level? You go back far enough, every single person on the planet is descended from a slave. Is everyone still dealing with those effects? Nah. Are more recent slave-descendants in America dealing with them? Yep.
E) I'm a woman. Where's my bloody reparations from you? >:|
Few people are asking for reparations. They are asking that the current and ongoing problems (that originated with slavery but are not caused by slavery but by racism) be fixed. That's your problem. You see anything to do with racism as reparation for slavery instead of a reaction against current racism. Diversionary tactics or you genuinely don't believe racism is still a problem.
Well thank you for actually addressing my points and meeting me on even ground Bobleponge, I appreciate that.bobleponge said:
I believe the Native American question is one Whites will eventually face, they saw mass immigration of a culture hostile to their own, and a race that reproduced faster than they could. Their culture was overridden and their country ceased to reflect their values and their history. Now Native Americans are in a sorry state, culture is on the decline, they're largely ignored by everyone, they're seeing poverty and strife.
I see this as a result of the process that has begun in Europe and America. I'm just going to argue for Europe at this point, because while America has a large white population, it is a country founded by immigrants and it is not a native land to whites, what I'm talking about applied more to native Europeans, so I'll concede the point of America.
America is a good example however because of the rapidly changing demographics, and I disagree that there is not a history of black-on-white violence, in the US alone blacks commit several times the amount of racially motivated attacks against whites than whites do against blacks, and the interracial rape levels favor black on white not by a factor of a few, but of tens of thousands. In Europe immigrants attacks against natives, mostly by religious Muslims, are absolutely rampant.
Just because something doesn't get media attention doesn't make it not true.
While mixing isn't forced by any means, it's certainly being encouraged, even coerced, white women in Scandinavia are often accused of racism if they don't want to date African or Asian men and the social pressure is strong.
I don't believe the race has to be pure, not in the Hitlerian sense, but when statistics show that in a couple of hundred years there may be no ethnically British people living in Britain, or no ethnically Swedish people left in Sweden, you have a problem. I believe it is a problem that doesn't need to exist, because immigration is happening mostly for political and social purposes. I don't believe diversity is good when I see things like Arab Muslim immigrants from Pakistan grooming underage British girls, or an African immigrants gang-raping Swedes, or French men being beaten by immigrants for being white. This is not an exchange of culture.
I just find it strange that I'm so often told to feel terrible and take personal responsibility for what people I never met, and probably am not even directly related to, did hundreds of years ago when people are doing far worse today, and that in the same breath I should feel as if nothing those same people accomplished is something to be proud of.
What culture exactly covers all white skinned people of the world? By the time you add in everyone all over the world with white skin the only combined culture you have left is that they eat, sleep and defecate. Culture is usually classified using geography, for this very reason.bobleponge said:
Of course they're all white dudes! But not all white dudes are WGDF.generals3 said:
Your point was that by including bronies, ladies' men and hipsters, Critical Miss was applying the WGDF trope to every white man. And my counter is that would only be true if those particular characters strictly white and not just obnoxious regardless of race. In other words, being WGDF means you're more likely to also be obnoxious in other areas.
If all WGDF's are white men...
And some bronies are WGDFs...
Are all white men and all bronies WGDFs?
This kind of question sometimes appears on IQ tests. Can you answer it correctly?
Well I wouldn't say there is a 'white culture' exactly, perhaps I shouldn't use that term, but the various white ethnicities, for example French, German, Swedish, Russian, Belgian, Irish, whatever you want, all have their own unique and rather fragile cultures and traditions I believe deserve to be preserved. Now, things change over time, don't mistake me for being opposed to change, and many old cultures have been lost to time, many an ethnicity has been lost, but we still remember and value them, we still teach their history and in a lot of cases preserve and admire their monuments.kklawm said:
This comes back to the question of: why do we value such things? Why do we preserve old monuments, why do we still celebrate old heroes and old events? Why celebrate the end of a war that is over, or a revolution that took place centuries ago? Because the accumulation of events and history makes up the identity of a country and it's people today, we are a product of the actions of our ancestors, their accomplishments and their failures.
I believe that importing immigrants who have no respect, or even contempt, for our history, culture, traditions and heritage, is inherently destructive.
See but you don't get to do that. You don't get to put out a thing and say "You shouldn't be offended unless you're my target" You especially don't get to say "x is my target any any other interpretation is wrong." "This comic isn't FOR you" It's even worse because your position appears to be "If you're offended you MUST be my target."Grey Carter said:
Especially when you add identifying marks that *specifically* tie to other groups. As it stands you tied in a good 3 obvious aversion fads in there and not a one deserves it.
Bronies do not deserve this comic
Bros do not deserve this comic
Hipsters do not deserve this comic
Like it or not you *very specifically* called out these groups and tied them directly to a specific awful brand of behavior. I can't even fathom the reason you would do so if you were going for 'an obvious parody of a type of behavior.' Nor can I see how you could claim you didn't. 'Did not!' isn't exactly the most impressive defense. The comic's right there, if you put a communist hammer and sickle on one of their chests who would you be calling out? What would that imply and who would have right to take offense to it? This isn't a hard leap of logic. Christ I don't even self identify with any of those groups and I'm still pretty offended by it. It's just a really nasty ugly thing to link to any group without VERY good reason, and frankly, I can't see how you could have it.
I think nearly 1000 posts of discussion and argument means whatever you can say about it "Obvious" is not one of them. If you're in the right on this you should be able to say something more. Don't sit on the broken vase and say you didn't do it. Man up to it and defend your artistic choices, or apologize for letting your own personal stuff get in the way.
Or you know what? Just go the other way, declare that every single person who is offended is CLEARLY a racist asshole who is only worried about cultural domination. Say it loud and say it proud. There's no grey, there's no one offended by method, there's no one offended from clear associations, there's no friends of groups who were called out, there's no debate fans and there's no social philosophers, there's no black people offended by trivializing what it takes to make a good black character (those posters are probably lying.) Say it. You made no mistakes, you were focused like a laser. If you're not with us you're against us. Every person who is pissed is just a white racist asshole.
Say it.
To me, his point seemed to be more like "We have a fat, likely love-starved brony with a victim complex, a self-absorbed macho Casanova-wannabe and a fedora-wearing hipster who thinks he's above everyone. Their behavior is problematic because they exhibit victim complex, a disturbing level of arrogance and have their heads so far up their own asses that they're right back on their shoulders. Why is them all being male and white even relevant to all that?"Overquoted said:
But well, that's how I understood it at least.
But like it or not he *specifically* named those groups in his comic, these aren't real people with casual items along with them, they've got specific identifying marks tying them to the groups. The art didn't fall onto the page when he opened his bag, it was willingly put there with intent. What was that intent? If you draw someone in a comic and draw a KKK hood on them are you implying nothing? Pretty much EVERY political comic ever made disagrees with your claim.Overquoted said:
Assuming that what you say is correct, then how would one go about stopping immigration? Would you enact a test, lower the immigration levels, or use some other way? I know that a great deal of American innovation is (was) the result of large-scale immigration of entrepreneurs and other talent, because this can be seen very heavily in startup businesses in silicon valley (I can try to find a source if necessary). The real question is whether or not you're talking about ending all immigration at all levels or if you want to specifically target unskilled/illegal immigration. I think that answering that question is a very important thing.Dansrage said:
I respect what you say about identifying problems based on statistics about large groups (IE racial, social, etc.) in a given geographic area, but it seems to me that acknowledging those facts and forcing them against the American nature of the individual are constantly at odds. It is my believe that this is the biggest problem going on right now. Blacks commit more crime against whites than vice versa, as supported by the Department of Justice' findings. But is that the result of a different culture or more of a result of economic hardship left behind because of previous policies limiting their ability to climb the social and economic ladder.
In other words, I think the problem is more about the economic class and its ability to affect the outlook of people moreso than their ethnic background, at least in the United States of America. What are your thoughts?
You got that backwards. A group would call themselves that if they were already white guys to begin with. The name of their group is a consequence of the fact that they're white guys, not the reason for it. Actually, in this case it's not even a consequence, it's just a more flashy way of saying "there three douches are all male and white".Dansrage said:
And as such, that doesn't address generals3's point.
No problem. Nice to see someone asking questions about things that were actually in the comic. ;Dkklawm said:
Have a good day. [sub][sub]To do that, D: GET OUT OF THIS THREAD! RUN!
I shouldn't even have come back here! [/sub][/sub]
