Who is the best fictional swordsman of all time?

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No one has mentioned Himura Kenshin. I am disappoint son.


Rurouni Kenshin is one of my favourite mangas (anime was a bit meh) and I haven't read any Beserk or et al, so yeah Kenshin get's my vote.
 

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jhoroz said:
Here's a better picture:


The fact he handles this monstrosity with only one hand puts him ahead of most examples in this thread for me.
Seems like you havent heard of one Jack Rakan.


To be clear, he can summon a sword of pretty much any size he wants. And being raised as a slave gladiator pretty much means hes a multi-melee master. And thats before you get into the actual magic he knows. And all the other shit that would eventually get him erased from existence. Twice.
 

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GundamSentinel said:
jhoroz said:
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The fact he handles this monstrosity with only one hand puts him ahead of most examples in this thread for me.
That only makes me think how much more effective he would be if he actually used a proper sword instead of that over-sized hunk of dead-weight. He won't get high on the combat intelligence list, let me tell you that.
Have you seen the shit he fights?


Even at that size his sword chips and cracks over time due to the stress of being used against such enemies. Also, due to being used against all manner of otherwordly creatures it has been infused with a certain... energy. More than that though it's symbolic for how crazy dedicated of a fighter Guts is. Everytime Guts unveils his sword in the midst of fresh spectators, the overall reaction is one of utter disbelief. And then he actually starts wielding it, and everyone freaks the fuck out.
 
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Duncan Idaho fo' sho. Yes, the Dune universe definition of "swordsman" does include the use of a personal energy shield, but since it's there only to protect against bullets, hence the necessity of learning how to penetrate it with a sword, it's not breaking the thread rules.

Duncan Idaho was so good that he singlehandedly fought a legion of Sardaukar, the Emperor's elite troops, and killed something like 27 of them before he was overwhelmed. This feat alone made him such a legend, that he was literally brought back to life dozens of times over the next 3000 years in order for people to keep utilizing him for his unique sword skills.
 

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Link is a positively godly swordsman. His skill with the shield is the perfect defense; Link has the speed to block any attack from any angle, and the strength and endurance to withstand every blow. Link can also instantly identify and zero in on an opponent's weak points for deadly strikes and unavoidable counterattacks. No magical powers involved, this is all within Link's mind.

Strider Hiryu is an insane swordsman. His Special-A class Strider mastery affords him the speed to dodge a barrage of "Shadow Tag" bullets, ammunition specifically designed to track and kill Striders, and the strength to decapitate multiple human enemies with his bare hand. Again, no magical powers; this is specialized future-ninja training with thousands of years to perfect it. Though his Cypher, as a plasma sword, could technically be considered a "magical" weapon, he's just as deadly without it. Just about any blade is enough to slice armored mech suits in Hiryu's hands and more than enough to take on biological opponents.

Jetstream Sam, from Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance, looks like a badass robot ninja, and thereby disqualified from this discussion... until Raiden defeats him, revealing Sam's implants were little more than a bit of armor plating. That's right, this dude was so good, he fights and (almost) kills cyber-ninjas wielding plasma swords and superhuman abilities, all without enhancements of his own.
 

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jhoroz said:
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this guy yet...

Heh, I actually mentioned him in the OP. I'd probably give it to good old Blackswordsman guts myself (berserker guts is too overpowered for this thread). His sheer power and dirty fighting style could probably overcome anyone he ran into.
 

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Ned Stark. He beat Ser Arthur Dayne. He maybe had some help though.

It's maybe an obscure choice, but Bremer Dan Gorst from Joe Abercrombie's book The Heroes. He's a killing machine powered by his rage over having a ridiculously high pitched voice.
 

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No one... Not anyone... Even the person who said something about Baldur's Gate...
None of you mentioned the best swordsman of all.
Drizzt Do'Urden
 

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trollnystan said:
No one has mentioned Himura Kenshin. I am disappoint son.


Rurouni Kenshin is one of my favourite mangas (anime was a bit meh) and I haven't read any Beserk or et al, so yeah Kenshin get's my vote.
I second this oro:)

I mean seriously in his prime the guy could cut bullets, move faster then the eye can see, and could hit with such precision that he doesn't kill people unless he wants to.
 

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There's only one guy I can think of...
Zorro.
No, I don't mean Zoro from One Piece.
I mean the guy that dresses in black and puts "Z" everywhere.
 

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Dark Link - simply for style points. I mean, the guy makes black and grey look good... (Or should that be evil?) Also, none of Link's usual tactics work against him.

Otherwise, lets stick with the dark-side and pick Pyramid Head.
 

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Rex Dark said:
There's only one guy I can think of...
Zorro.
No, I don't mean Zoro from One Piece.
I mean the guy that dresses in black and puts "Z" everywhere.
Zorro is one of the snazziest swordsmen ever. He has a great look. Just ask The Dread Pirate Roberts. He seems to think so.
 

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I'd go Fulgrim or Sigismund. I mean a Primarch, for fucks sake! Fulgrim could draw a blade, slash Vader's head off, sheath his blade, and throw his hair back to billow in the wind in less than a second.


Remember, Primarchs were the type of guys that could go toe-to-toe with Superman and have a pretty decent chance of winning.
 

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Seriously? No one is talking about Madara Uchiha? And I?m not talking about Edo Tensei Madara Uchiha. I?m talking about Gedou Rinne Tensei Madara Uchiha with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and Rinnegan doujutsus (with the rikodou abilities and being capable of both Amateratsu and Tsukuyomi genjutsu), equipped with his Gunbai, a perfect Susano?o, control of the juubi and Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju?s DNA implanted in him so he has mokuton kekkei genkai and can perform yin yang release ninjutsu while being an expert in kenjutsu and taijutsu.

I mean there is no stronger fictional swordsman, Nay fictional character than Uchiha Madara

In all seriousness though i've always been partial to Afro Samurai. I mean we've seen what he could do with the Number 2 headband. Imagine what he could do with the number one headband
 

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William Ossiss said:
None of you mentioned the best swordsman of all.
Drizzt Do'Urden
Came in this topic to post this. I suppose there's a little bit of magic involved when you consider the stupid amounts of legendary items he's gotten hold of over the years, but that's on paper. If you've read the books, he's an absolute magician when it comes to swordplay. He's the full package. He's got the skill. But he's also got a tactical mind and the kind of persona and thick skin needed to outplay his opponents. He's basically got every aspect of swordplay covered.

In other words, if Salvatore (EDIT: not Salvador, stop thinking Borderlands, stupid brain) was a bad writer, then Drizzt would be a shit protagonist. Lets say it like it is. Anybody can write a superman, but it takes skill to write a superman who's an interesting character.
 

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VectorSlip said:
Seriously? No one is talking about Madara Uchiha?
I'm still not done dancing on Naruto's grave that shit went on for far too long, but Doesn't that confusingly motivated ponse weild some sort of ridiculous fan? or maybe a scythe if google is to be believed.

I'd say the best fictional swordsman I know is Conan the Barbarian.
That mullet!

I don't think he's ever lost a fair 1 on 1 fight or a fight consisting of him vs a small army, the only thing that can really stop him is magic. Which to be fair everyone should be given a free pass for, he is also pretty famous for killing wizards anyway.

Runner up being Guts from the Berserk Manga though.
 

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Fictional characters are typically poor swordsman, whatever their reputation in-universe. This is particularly true of more recent entertainment media, and especially games. Ever notice how game systems, even real time ones, have a "I go, you go, I go" style of swordplay? Plenty of modern films do it as well, although there are counterpoints in the likes of the original Star Wars films, Robin Hood: Men In Tights, etc.

What makes a sword good isn't its raw killing power, after all. Axes have that covered. Spears reach further. Daggers operate at such close range that defending against them is very difficult. What swords specifically do well is merging offense and defense. I'll explain:

Imagine that you have a sword in hand and are facing off against an opponent. You see yourself from a side view, like a fighting game. If you were to extend your sword so that you're using its maximum length or close to that, your sword arm and sword would make a straight or nearly straight line connecting with your opponent's jaw, neck, shoulder, or upper chest. If you want to strike a target outside of this upper body zone, your range necessarily decreases as your straight line becomes more diagonal. This means that, if you can make an opponent use their maximum range at all times, then their strikes must always pass through a single, predictable point of extension. If you can consistently intercept and control this point, then you're likely to win without harm to yourself.

Knowing this, you can make your sword's recovery posture (the position you're in after a strike) pass through or end connected to this point. This way, your attacks double as defenses, and you never have to do something so crass as commit to a standard parry. Parrying isn't good swordplay -- it's damage control for when you fall behind. All you need to do is attack in a way that defends you until you successfully strike your opponent. Pretty much everything else worth doing is to do with strategic nuances. You might take a defensive guard at the beginning of the engagement, using a reactive strategy, but you'll still be using that central point of extension as your reference point for defense; the only change here is that you're trying to make your opponent commit so you can win by exploiting a clear opening as soon as possible.

Obviously, there's more to swordplay than this one point of extension, but it's very often the piece of knowledge that separates actual swordsmen from people with swords. Just about every strong style of swordplay has at least one guard that directly references this point of extension in its posture, whether that's the Japanese chuudan or the German langenort. Good styles of swordplay teach how to ensure that cuts and thrusts pass through this point to maximise one's capacity to intercept attacks while attacking. This concept, where a swordsman accomplishes multiple things in one unit of time, is a key element of swordplay that is rarely referenced in entertainment media these days.

The Berserk OVAs had really good swordplay, mind. A great compromise between entertainment needs and true techniques. Probably because there wasn't much compromise, and the OVAs often used impact effects and camera angles to frame real techniques in exciting ways (although there are definitely instances of exaggeration or silliness, too).
 

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The Count of Monte Cristo. You'd be a pretty good swordsman too if you had nothing else to do but plan revenge and an unlimited amount of wealth.
 

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VectorSlip said:
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Seriously? No one is talking about Madara Uchiha?[/spoiler]
Well, the OP did say no magic. Pretty much every single notable character in Naruto uses 'magic' with the exception of Guy and Lee. What we're looking for are characters that are strong based solely on their physical prowess & skills with a blade.

My vote would definitely go to Guts: as much as I like Zoro, Mihawk is still far stronger right now.