You don't choose a waifu, Drum. It just happens. Y'know, like in real life.Drummodino said:My first choice
Similarly, multiple waifu is a bit of a faux pas as I understand.
You don't choose a waifu, Drum. It just happens. Y'know, like in real life.Drummodino said:My first choice
I'd feel bad for derailing this thread and i'd rather not but personally i wouldn't mind having that discussion. What exatly do you dislike about her?Zira said:PsychedelicDiamond said:Alright, watch out everyone, superior waifu coming through:
Yeah, that girl right here! I always had a very particular fondness for Bayonetta even though visually she's not my type at all. But she's _the_ shining example for how to make a good female action game protagonists and one of my favourite characters in gaming. She's strong and confident without ever giving up her feminity. Whe's incredibly sexual but yet never objectified but rather always using her own sexuality do show dominance. She revels in her own over the top campness but yet she always does it with a cheeky sense of self awareness. She's independent, competent, witty and classy and in a medium where a lot of female character and almost all female protagonist are either too objectified, to masculine or some combination thereof she stands out in the best way possible. She might not be the heroine the medium deserves but she's the one it needs right now!
Oooooh there is so much I could say against Bayonetta.
It's absolutely fine to like the character and to say that she is a well-designed character. With this, I agree.
But it's absolutely WRONG to say she's not objectified and is a paradigm of an independent, competent female character.
I think this turned me bi.Azudarko said:Iskandar! The King of Conquerors!
Griffith couldn't. That's how the whole mess started...Kyber said:I mean, how can you NOT?
Zira said:Honestly, i think i wouldn't. Admittedly, it would make me aware that i'm obviously not the target audience for the game but if it was as good as Bayonetta it would not hinder my enjoyment.PsychedelicDiamond said:Zira said:I'd feel bad for derailing this thread and i'd rather not but personally i wouldn't mind having that discussion. What exatly do you dislike about her?
Well, we could always open a thread to discuss Bayonetta. XD
As a woman, I have mixed feelings for Bayonetta. The design of her entire videogame is creative and appealing, and she indeed is a strong character in the literal sense of the word (she kicks ass!).
But here's the catch.... no matter how cool and amusing she is, she's still entirely a fanservice character who's striking up poses for the male gaze alone. I know that it's pushed to the point of being so over-the-top that you can't even take it seriously, let alone get offended. But still....
If for example, Dante from Devil May Cry would show his crotch area to the camera in a allusive manner, lick an icecream allusively, make sexual moans when he fights enemies, and become completely naked whenever he attacks, you'd feel a little awkward playing that videogame.
But i am aware that there are lot of people that this would make uncomfortable so i see where you are coming from. I agree that she is obviously designed to appeal to male players. But what i don't agree with is the notion that this is necessarily exploitative. While her oversexualised appearance and personality are a big part of her character it's always treated as an expression of her confidence. Don't get me wrong, i do realize that she's still a character designed by a man to appeal to men but seeing how that could be said about most female characters she still stands out as a positive example for me. In most other games unrealistically good looks and overly revealing clothes, no matter how little sense they make in context are usually treated with a nonchalant "That's just what you do in videogames" attitude while Bayonetta takes it to its logical extreme, puts it in a setting where pretty much everything is over the top and has some fun with it. I'm not saying she's the be all end all of women in videogames but i vastly prefer her over the likes of Lara "I'm an archeologist who just happens to look like a supermodel, just go with it" Croft. Of course i'm biased because i really damn like her and her game.
So... do you think we should just get ourselves a cozy little thread over in the Gaming Discussion for us and anyone else who wants to join in on this discussion?
Oof, that's a good choice! I forgot about her, she was always my favourite party member.Hawk of Battle said:Nobody said Rikku yet? Gooood...
Cos she's mine people, nobody elses!
Lilly was definitely my favourite and I was drawn to her the most from the beginning. Hanako has a lovely message and can be downright heartwarming (or heartbreaking). HOWEVER!Drummodino said:Lilly from Katawa Shoujo!
Zira said:Alright. Let's continue there:PsychedelicDiamond said:Zira said:So... do you think we should just get ourselves a cozy little thread over in the Gaming Discussion for us and anyone else who wants to join in on this discussion?
Yeah, let's! This sounds like an interesting discussion, being able to discuss Bayonetta and sexism without any flamewars. :3
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.839555-Do-you-think-Bayonetta-is-a-positive-example-of-a-female-protagonist
Then my work here is done. I can continue to spread the gospel elsewhere.Sensko said:I think this turned me bi.Azudarko said:Iskandar! The King of Conquerors!
I'm genuinely amazed at how seriously some people take this kind of question. Dude, you can give the armchair philosophy a rest. Whatever the origins/connotations this word may have in Japan, I'd be willing to bet about 97% of the people using this term in the West are doing so ironically/in jest; as a hyperbolic shorthand to express the notion of 'I really dig and identify with this character and would totally date the shit out of them if they were real.' Getting emotionally invested in some form of narrative doesn't suddenly negate one's ability to discern reality from fiction. Not to say that there aren't people out there who take their attachment to fictional entities way too far, but I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people in this thread and previous ones like it (I've seen this very same thread at least once before in these forums) haven't sunken to the level of purchasing body-pillows just yet. And even if they were, I can't really say I give a shit about what other people do/how they got their jollies in their own time. I mean at least with regard to my own personal moral code, other people's fapping habits aren't exactly a priority concern for me. I guess the abridged version of what I'm trying to get across is lighten up. This topic was clearly never meant to be heavy.Pr0 said:snip
And I think what I'm trying to elucidate is that perhaps the subject is not taken seriously enough, or simply accepted as "not my concern" when collectively it is something that should be considered to potentially be a concern. The population crisis in Japan (Fukushima and surviving one of the largest recorded earthquakes in recent human history notwithstanding) is, I believe, the tip of an iceberg, and in the briny depths of the ocean, lies this subject..and others.OmniscientOstrich said:I guess the abridged version of what I'm trying to get across is lighten up. This topic was clearly never meant to be heavy.
Right there with you, man.II2 said:The fuck's a Waifu? The parameters of that definition just give me even more questions. Attracted to, fine, but 'considers a significant other..?' - Does that mean they have to be part of 'team' or 'party'? I thought S/Os were agreed by common consensus to be a identify-neutral parlance for romantic or sexual partnership? Is that just the daydream aspect of the term? Especially applied to linear entertainment - is it just both drooling over and rooting for a character? Romantic Favoritism? How does this concept even work?Drummodino said:Waifu - A fictional character from non-live-action visual media (typically an anime, manga, or video game) that one is attracted to and considers a significant other.
- Wiktionary [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/waifu]
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But, alas, while I don't know what I'm talking about, I'll point out what I guess were my alleged 'Waifus' (or just 'fancied fictions') that I can remember.