Who should play the Black Panther?

[Something Amyss]

But apparently pointing out a double standard or caring about sticking to the source material makes me racist or retarded.Good to know for the future

You might have a better foundation to complain if there were a double standard or source material was as sacrosanct as this would indicate.

 

[Patrick Buck]

Morgan Freeman. Think about it. THINK ABOUT IT.

Also I would find it quite hilarious if all of his out of costume appearances were of an older man, and have a different actor playing him when his face is covered up, so his dexterity and movement are wildly different.

My sense of humour is weird.

 

[Sheen Lantern]

Retarded huh?Funny then that I'm not the one who apparently couldn't read the rest of the thread before jumping to conclusions.You know the rest of the thread where I clearly explained that I have no interest or desire in seeing a white Black Panther.I was merely pointing out the double standard that exists regarding colour/gender swapping existing characters

Except it's not a double standard as, and I've already explained this, they're completely incomparable.

 

[mecegirl]

Well obviously not as Michael Jordan was cast as Johny Storm for the sake of diversity as there's next to no traditionally black characters in comics written in the 60s, to deprive an up-and-coming black actor of one of the few traditionally black roles in favor of one of the innumerable, interchangeable white actors would be brain-dead retarded at best and unabashedly racist at worst.

The only question is; where do you fit on this spectrum? Retarded or racist?

Retarded huh?Funny then that I'm not the one who apparently couldn't read the rest of the thread before jumping to conclusions.You know the rest of the thread where I clearly explained that I have no interest or desire in seeing a white Black Panther.I was merely pointing out the double standard that exists regarding colour/gender swapping existing characters

But apparently pointing out a double standard or caring about sticking to the source material makes me racist or retarded.Good to know for the future

Not retarded, that's just unnecessary name calling. But you don't have a firm grasp on the reality of the situation. I mean, lets not kid ourselves here, you are not talking about an equal situation. Its not like there are as many black characters as there are white characters. And we know good and damn well that the reason's why there aren't are not just happenstance. If not for the Civil Rights movement there probably wouldn't be any Black superhero's at all. Your point would only stand in a world where there were as many black characters as there are white characters. The double standard you see only exists to correct a preexisting inequality.

 

[MetalDooley]

Edit:Quoting went a bit funny on this post

 

[MetalDooley]

You might have a better foundation to complain if there were a double standard or source material was as sacrosanct as this would indicate.

Except it's not a double standard as, and I've already explained this, they're completely incomparable.

From Wikipedia:A double standard is the application of different sets of principles for similar situations.A double standard may take the form of an instance in which certain concepts are perceived as acceptable to be applied by one group of people but are considered unacceptable when applied by another group

Saying that it's ok for an established white character to be played by a black actor but that the reverse is not ok pretty much is the defination of a double standard from what I can see

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I understand the situation perfectly well as a matter of fact.I'm well aware there aren't as many black characters as white.I've already stated in this thread that I'm in favour of more ethnic minority and female characters.I simply don't believe that race/gender swapping existing characters is the way to achieve that.I would much prefer to see people pressuring the likes of Marvel and DC to create new ethnic/female characters or to promote their existing ones more or come up with new ones themselves

 

[Something Amyss]

Morgan Freeman. Think about it. THINK ABOUT IT.

Also I would find it quite hilarious if all of his out of costume appearances were of an older man, and have a different actor playing him when his face is covered up, so his dexterity and movement are wildly different.

My sense of humour is weird.

TBH, I think this would probably still look LESS ridiculous than the ways they've done it in the past. Either the actor being the suit actor (which can often look goofy) or with CG (which can look downright creepy).

Except it's not a double standard as, and I've already explained this, they're completely incomparable.

You could have indicated all this without the dichotomy of "racist or retard" though.

Not retarded, that's just unnecessary name calling. But you don't have a firm grasp on the reality of the situation. I mean, lets not kid ourselves here, you are not talking about an equal situation. Its not like there are as many black characters as there are white characters. And we know good and damn well that the reason's why there aren't are not just happenstance. If not for the Civil Rights movement there probably wouldn't be any Black superhero's at all. Your point would only stand in a world where there were as many black characters as there are white characters. The double standard you see only exists to correct a preexisting inequality.

Not even equal numbers, though. I mean, it wouldn't even be so bad if they had even a handful of additional prominent black characters. Black Panther's not even horribly well known outside of nerd circles, and he's among the first (and the first superhero in the major comics, according to Wikipedia). People have accused him of being created specifically in modern times to appeal to a new demo. That's how prominent he is. People who have listed alternatives run out after like two or three, and Night Thrasher comes up quite often (especially around these parts). Now, I like the New Warriors, but they were at best a C-List team and Thrasher was created for them.

Hell, I'm not sure if I should be surprised or not that nobody's suggested Rocket Racer yet. And yes,m I know, he's a Spider-Man character.

 

[Something Amyss]

Saying that it's ok for an established white character to be played by a black actor but that the reverse is not ok pretty much is the defination of a double standard from what I can see

Yes, if you remove the bit about similar situations.

 

[Ieyke]

Edris Elba, ideally, but for whatever stupid nonsensical reason they wasted him on Heimdal, when Heimdal is a Norse God - i.e. what should basically be the whitest people in the universe.

I'm sure Boseman will be awesome, but god damn if Elba wouldn't've been perfect.

 

[Something Amyss]

Edris Elba, ideally, but for whatever stupid nonsensical reason they wasted him on Heimdal, when Heimdal is a Norse God - i.e. what should basically be the whitest people in the universe.

Heimdall is an alien. Even with the argument that Thor's people inspired the myths of Asgard, it's not a given Heimdall would be white. Hell, look at all the depictions of Jesus, a Palestian Jew, as someone who would better fit the Nordic cultures. Nobody complains that a white actor was wasted on him...

 

[anthony87]

No mentions of Denzel Washington yet?

C'mon guys...

 

[MetalDooley]

That answers my question at least: retarded.

That's twice now that you've resorted to personal insults.If you're incapable of having a discussion without insulting people you disagree with then we're done here

 

[Sheen Lantern]

That answers my question at least: retarded.

That's twice now that you've resorted to personal insults.If you're incapable of having a discussion without insulting people you disagree with then we're done here

I like how you ignored the upper part of my response, makes me wonder what your argument would have been if I hadn't insulted you.

Also, "resorted"? Funny choice of word, considering you're the one lacking a leg to stand on.

 

[Something Amyss]

I like how you ignored the upper part of my response, makes me wonder what your argument would have been if I hadn't insulted you.

Probably by disregarding you, as he did to me.

 

[mecegirl]

I understand the situation perfectly well as a matter of fact.I'm well aware there aren't as many black characters as white.I've already stated in this thread that I'm in favour of more ethnic minority and female characters.I simply don't believe that race/gender swapping existing characters is the way to achieve that.I would much prefer to see people pressuring the likes of Marvel and DC to create new ethnic/female characters or to promote their existing ones more or come up with new ones themselves

Marvel might be able to promote some existing characters, but creating new ones is harder than it sounds. New white male superheros can't gain a solid following, I don't know why anyone thinks a minority character would be able too.

In either case your points would come across better if you didn't try to make an equivalence between white washing minority characters and race swapping white characters. No one is gonna take your words to heart because the comparison doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

 

[mecegirl]

Not even equal numbers, though. I mean, it wouldn't even be so bad if they had even a handful of additional prominent black characters. Black Panther's not even horribly well known outside of nerd circles, and he's among the first (and the first superhero in the major comics, according to Wikipedia). People have accused him of being created specifically in modern times to appeal to a new demo. That's how prominent he is. People who have listed alternatives run out after like two or three, and Night Thrasher comes up quite often (especially around these parts). Now, I like the New Warriors, but they were at best a C-List team and Thrasher was created for them.

Hell, I'm not sure if I should be surprised or not that nobody's suggested Rocket Racer yet. And yes,m I know, he's a Spider-Man character.

Well no, not necessarily equal numbers, but at least more than one on a team. Specifically more than one that isn't a side character. And people probably aren't listing many Black female characters, not that it would create a significant boost in numbers. Lets not even start with how rare Latino and Asian characters are.

It's at a point that unless a writer adds in a super obscure character, or race swaps a less obscure one, that there wouldn't be any racial diversity in any of the marvel movies at all(if you want to count a handful of Black male characters diversity). That's just how homogenous these character's supporting casts are. And considering that a lot of these characters are American(or in Thor's case interacts with Americans) its a shame.

 

[Benpasko]

Nothing about Johnny Storm's identity is tied to his race.

I disagree, Johnny Storm's entire personality could accurately be described as 'whitest white boy ever.' I don't have a problem with black Heimdall or other cases where it really doesn't matter, but I would definitely say that Johnny becomes a different character if you change his race. Ben Grimm could be race swapped, or even Reed Richards, but Johnny is so whitebread that I don't think it'd be the same.

 

[Something Amyss]

Well no, not necessarily equal numbers, but at least more than one on a team. Specifically more than one that isn't a side character. And people probably aren't listing many Black female characters, not that it would create a significant boost in numbers. Lets not even start with how rare Latino and Asian characters are.

It's at a point that unless a writer adds in a super obscure character, or race swaps a less obscure one, that there wouldn't be any racial diversity in any of the marvel movies at all(if you want to count a handful of Black male characters diversity). That's just how homogenous these character's supporting casts are. And considering that a lot of these characters are American(or in Thor's case interacts with Americans) its a shame.

Come to think of it, I'm having trouble naming female black characters in either of the major comics companies. I got Storm, Sillhouette (again, have to go to New Warriors, so...) and...

I admit, I'm not up on comics like I used to be, but yeah. Not a good thing.

Unless they did actually add several prominent black women.

 

[Rebel_Raven]

KATT WILLIAMS!

Chris Rock!

Shaquille O'Niel!

... ok, I could keep making odd guesses, but I'll relent.

 

[mecegirl]

Nothing about Johnny Storm's identity is tied to his race.

I disagree, Johnny Storm's entire personality could accurately be described as 'whitest white boy ever.' I don't have a problem with black Heimdall or other cases where it really doesn't matter, but I would definitely say that Johnny becomes a different character if you change his race. Ben Grimm could be race swapped, or even Reed Richards, but Johnny is so whitebread that I don't think it'd be the same.

Grim is Jewish. But I have to ask, what traits would you consider "White". Because from what I see, outside of his tendency to be a show off, Johnny doesn't have much of a personality at all. He's a pretty blank slate. Being neutral is just neutral.

Well no, not necessarily equal numbers, but at least more than one on a team. Specifically more than one that isn't a side character. And people probably aren't listing many Black female characters, not that it would create a significant boost in numbers. Lets not even start with how rare Latino and Asian characters are.

It's at a point that unless a writer adds in a super obscure character, or race swaps a less obscure one, that there wouldn't be any racial diversity in any of the marvel movies at all(if you want to count a handful of Black male characters diversity). That's just how homogenous these character's supporting casts are. And considering that a lot of these characters are American(or in Thor's case interacts with Americans) its a shame.

Come to think of it, I'm having trouble naming female black characters in either of the major comics companies. I got Storm, Sillhouette (again, have to go to New Warriors, so...) and...

I admit, I'm not up on comics like I used to be, but yeah. Not a good thing.

Unless they did actually add several prominent black women.

Off the top of my head they could add Monica Rambeau, who was the first female who took up the name Captain Marvel(She also goes by Spectrum and Photon). She was the first Black female member of the Avengers and did lead them for a time.

But since there are talks of doing a Luke Cage netfix show, Misty Knight, would be really easy to include. She, and her partner Collen Wing(who is half Japanese) were some of the first heroes that Luke Cage interacted with. Really, there should just be a Blaxploitation style film called Heroes for Hire with Cage, Knight, Wing, and Iron Fist. Maybe even add in Shang Chi to round the group out because he hung out with them in the comics, and the MCU could use more Asians.

But outside of her connection with Cage. Misty Knight is an excop who has a bionic arm designed by Reed Richards and later Tony Stark, though I have like no clue why Knight and Stark know each other(its never explained). Its kinda implied that they may have slept together/dated but Stark is a bit of a playboy, so that could be said for a lot of women in the Marvel universe.
http://muccamukk.dreamwidth.org/650955.html
Misty has had an on again off again relationship with Iron Fist, and I don't know why they just don't let them be a full time couple. For a time Misty was Jean Grey's roommate and has worked with Spider man. But the X-Men and Spiderman franchises don't have a connection to the other Marvel movies.