Why do Jocks get away with it?

[Capcom4ever]

I find this interesting. Being a varsity athlete three times a year, I find that at my school (public, very urban, 3000 students) teachers will often expect more of me and my fellow athletes in terms of effort in class and in terms of behavior. Just saying, not everyone's bad. But also the teachers that are hardest on jocks are usually the kids who were bullied by them in high school...do not appreciate, as I don't bully anyone.

Wow, I am the ramblemaster.

 

[I Max95]

i never had a problem with it really, my school doesnt have very many physical bullies and ignoring the verbal ones is enough to make them give up

 

[GrizzlerBorno]

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well I rang the bell and slid down the rope a little (because I didn't trust them for a reason) then about half way down the rope I let go and fell for the pad

the quarterback then proceeded to pull the pad out from under me and I hit the hard-wood floor with a loud thud

everyone laughed

I then lost my temper and garroted the quarterback with the rope (wrapped it around his neck and pulled tight) yelling that he would never do that again

then things became very serious; the teacher yelled at the class to "get him off of him" and well yeah you can see where things went

Well There's your problem. although to get this clear, what you did was "badass" and I as a porky awkward kid gut bullied to some extent so I've daydreamed of doing similar things. but the problem is that you accidentally let yourself become worse than the bullies, and I know I suck for saying that, but its true. Yes, they beat you and bruised over a long period. But no-one saw that, it wasn't harmless, but it was less "impressionable".

The best way is to show them who's boss without overstepping any boundaries. I once dropped a bully to the floor and punched him like a moron in front of the class BUT, not only did he not have a scratch on him to prove it, no one vouched for him, and the teachers never believed him. I got away scot-free.

Don't get me wrong, your school system is biased and broken. but i'm just saying that.... Strangling a guy with a rope? really?

 

[Kebabco]

Okay yeah this is a life story but it has a point

I've been beaten up my whole life (weather it be because I'm weird, because I'm poor, or because I'm 18 and have never had a girlfriend)

but in 7th grade (weird/poor) things went too far

the Football team would always hold me down and take turns hitting me
or pelting me with tennis and baseballs

scares bruises and black eyes everywhere

the teachers said "they're just boys being boys"

then one day at the gym, we were doing the rope climb
you climb this really tall rope, ring the bell, then fall onto this really soft cooshy pad so you don't have to climb all the way back down (the pad itself was like 4-5 feet tall, and felt like a tempurpedic bed)


well I rang the bell and slid down the rope a little (because I didn't trust them for a reason) then about half way down the rope I let go and fell for the pad

the quarterback then proceeded to pull the pad out from under me and I hit the hard-wood floor with a loud thud

everyone laughed

I then lost my temper and garroted the quarterback with the rope (wrapped it around his neck and pulled tight) yelling that he would never do that again

then things became very serious; the teacher yelled at the class to "get him off of him" and well yeah you can see where things went

in the end, I got expelled for hurting the quarterback
and when I showed the bruises, crutches, and scars and told them how I got them they said "it's one thing to harm the student body, it's another thing to make up stories to justify it"

...the principal then tried to convince me to take up something to relieve my anger such as football, or baseball, or soccer...

goes to show what a jock he was as well

off note: I ended up taking archery in boyscouts and was the only one that could bullseye every time on the 20 yard target... I was told that I shouldn't take an anger outlet that would let me kill people from 60 feet away with a sharp stick

EDIT: Crap I forgot the question; why is it that the jocks can get away with ANYTHING but the second I defend myself after being badly injured (with 33 witnesses mind you) I get in major trouble?

EDIT 2: sorry actually I wasn't "expelled" I was just "suspended" for a quarter of the year

when I got back the jocks started beating me with bricks (apparently a drunk driver hit the wall next to the church or something)

and I just ran into the office as fast as I could and the second the principal heard my voice and the phrase "law suit"

well...
we had a talk

then I was suspended for my own safety

because he didn't want me to be in an environment where I could get hurt
(you know, because punishing the victim is TOTALLY what you're supposed to do... not punish the [4] offenders!)

EDIT 3: I'm not like this anymore and this has been taken care of (got half the kids there to stop attending and shut down one of the two schools they had... which were right across the street from each other haha)

Just throwing that out there

I'm not really a violent person (yes I am I just keep it in- and blame society)
so no one think I'm a freak or anything lol

just was wondering if anyone else has things like this happen and if this is running rampent

Damn that's unfair (i'm serious). If you consider your trust in mankind to be irrevocably damaged i suggest you go columbine massacre on their asses. If you can delay your gratification you can also get a job, make some money and hire a junkie to kill them.

If you didnt lose your trust in humanity than just live on, find a nice girl who you can relate to on different levels and try forgetting that she is also just an animal that would do the exact same think to you as those douchebag jocks given the opportunity.

Enjoy

 

[Canid117]

the are two things you can/should do here

1. get a gun and shoot everone in the fucking face

2. get a knife and slit there throats when they are alone

tbh I would recommend number two

Right after Arizona dude this is the kind of thing that gives us a bad name.

 

[Smooth Operator]

Wow, that is quite extreme. And then people wonder why some go on a shooting spree.

Well since the situation is quite severe I would go bat shit crazy and return the favor, but it needs to be systematic and you can't get caught.
I presume some of those jocks got cars? If they do I can't even tell you howmany crazy things can be done there, and if someone were to do something nasty he should clean up his tracks not to get caught.
IF that is not enough or they don't have cars, maybe someone will find out where the leader of the pact lives and ... well let's say hes walking down a dark road and someone were to rob him and maybe take a baseball bat to break his legs... that would be awful wouldn't it.

Do you live in Texas or something? Because that kind of thing never happened at any of my schools.

as for why I said Texas... [http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/10/25/cheerleader-wont-cheer-for-her-rapis/]

That is insane, I knew Texas was messed up but damn that is just beyond belief.
In that case forget the baseball bat, chainsaw and nothing less will do.

 

[Dags90]

It's one of those things that seems to have got mixed up, the idea that nerds are tortured geniuses stuck among the ignorant masses. Being a nerd means you're socially inept and normally rather aloof, not that you're smart. Personally I reckon that the reason nerds think they're smarter is because that's all they've really got going for them.

Calling someone a 'jock' and thinking them brutish and stupid is just discrimination to make the nerd feel better, most of the really intelligent people I know (not me, I mean people that leave me gobsmacked) are well rounded, rather popular and physically active. As I said in another thread ages ago, you're not a nerd because of something you can do, you're a nerd for something you can't do.

I've always considered nerds to be more about dedication to academic performance than actual intellectual merit. Some of them were of average or so intelligence and simply really apply themselves to their studies. People who are intelligent but lazy do not fit the typical nerd archetype, so obviously intelligence isn't the deciding factor in nerd-dom.

The "everyone else except my group are stupid sheeple" is hardly limited to nerds, too. I also don't like the undercurrent that a person's worth is solely determined by their intelligence.

 

[elbowlick]

Is your school stuck in the fifties? Who still looks the other way for that? Jocks still kick the shit out people just because they can?
In the three years that I went to high school, I might have seen at most two fights. And this is coming from a heavy-duty nerd (HAHA fat).

 

[Fishyash]

Well, I think there are 3 potential solutions.

The first one would be moving on. Usually in high school there is that one year where everyone goes to idiot mode and starts acting extremely naughty, arguing, fighting, overreacting and generally being drama queens. At the last year of high school, it's usually the best one. It was for me anyway, everyone was just more mature about everything. And if they still maintain that behaviour, well, you can probably guess how they will end up later on in life. Just don't be passive agressive towards people. This is in general really. That is the antisocial behaviour that people who aren't jocks usually have, and it's nearly as bad imo. However, if you got the ball rolling... it is kind of hard to stop. I usually kept to myself and a few friends during high school, and it went pretty well, the worst I got was annoying harrassment and humiliation. Maybe I was lucky. I was in a private school and most of the people weren't really that bad. And I see a few other year groups at my school who are horrible.

The second thing would probably be do something to intimidate the bullies. Obviously I wouldn't recommend it because firstly it doesn't always work (like you mentioned) and secondly it's garunteed to get you in trouble in school grounds.

I think the best thing to do though would be make a... political fuss about it. Turn it into something profitable. If you force the school to punish them then you will at least be able to get something out of it, especially if money is involved. If it gets on any local news? Probably even better, if you can get to shine them in a negative light.

 

[LightningBanks]

Give secrets to rival football teams, and get them to beat the jocks up

or, more sensibly, tell your parents to stop wasting your money on a school thats bad for you

 

[tjarne]

Ouch and I thought I had it bad...

 

[Kebabco]

Whenever it comes up on this forum it's never really pretty. It pretty much always devolves into revenge fantasy. I've also seen a lot of the passive aggressiveness in school by "nerds", probably because I wasn't one in high school. A lot of the time these people were so obnoxious that other nerds wouldn't hang out with them because they were so condescending all the time.

The valedictorian in my high school class was on a sport team. Does that make them a jock or a nerd?

It's one of those things that seems to have got mixed up, the idea that nerds are tortured geniuses stuck among the ignorant masses. Being a nerd means you're socially inept and normally rather aloof, not that you're smart. Personally I reckon that the reason nerds think they're smarter is because that's all they've really got going for them.

Calling someone a 'jock' and thinking them brutish and stupid is just discrimination to make the nerd feel better, most of the really intelligent people I know (not me, I mean people that leave me gobsmacked) are well rounded, rather popular and physically active. As I said in another thread ages ago, you're not a nerd because of something you can do, you're a nerd for something you can't do.

Just like you can be a jock because you are too stupid to devote your time to activities other than sports. Same think, doh!

 

[Chaos Marine]

Maybe you should have gone to the police. Or just spoken to a lawyer. Seriously.

 

[Lord_Panzer]

Maybe you should have joined the army, on a unrelated sidenote, have you ever seen full metal jacket ?

I see what you did there.

You are a very funny man with a dry wit.

I like.

have you ever seen full metal jacket ?

I've seen about half of it, it was funny (if I'm thinking of the right movie)

I prefer Hot Shots
though and nah I'm good... I'm not really strong so much as I'm smart
or in that case angry

Funny as hell!

Hehehehehehehehe. Jocks beat him up and geeks mock him.
Faith in Escapist community +5. I love you guys.

 

[Blatherscythe]

Well who the fuck is going to earn all those sponsers and awards for the school if all the asswipes on a team are gone? I know the majority of athletes don't act like muscle bound brutes, but there are a few in any type of team. The school didn't want to do shit because they want to make money, they don't give a flying fuck about individual students if they threaten this. It's all bullshit and it's bad for ya.

 

[Stabber1010]

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well, if thats so. I just dont know how you can continue it to be subtle, when your school's administrative body knows of the prior incidents. Besides, I dont think its very satisfying in this case if the guy you're doing it about doesnt know youre doing it.

I am terrible because I get satisfaction from...just that, really. I am going to use a poor analogy here since it is the only thing I can think of. I like to think of it in a "puppetmaster that asks nothing from his puppets" kind of way.

I just realized he can't do the newspaper thing anyway, since he said he was expelled. MOOT.

 

[Sigmund Av Volsung]

Because they are cowards, bastards and the ones who are stgnating the human race.
Karma exists,boy, and they will end up in prison, and well... 'nuff said.
The thing is, you're stronger than them because you fought back, and they are the cowards that exploit others.

 

[Nouw]

Tell your parents. Tell the media.

You have got a winning combination, but I think it's just your school that's slightly fucked up.

But I would also suggest taking up some sort of Martial Art or Yoga. It calms the senses and makes you a 'better' person. Trust me.

Now next time someone tries to fuck with you, you can break their arm! or something less serious >.>

 

[garfoldsomeoneelse]

Man, you wouldn't have to put up with that shit in public school, guaranteed. It's one of those rare times where their paranoid over-reactionary stance on violence-related issues would be both warranted and helpful.