Why do "realistic" games all feel the need to include the Desert Eagle as a weapon?

[Sovvolf]

Suppression still isn't that much of a plus. Actually, it's not a plus at all. There's no reason to have a suppressor on anything besides a sniper rifle. It's not an advantage to have a suppressed pistol.

Not for general use or for self defence there isn't. However they are mostly used for long gun fights or raids. Mainly so the users don't go death from the noise. That's why they design them for pistols as well as rifles. They don't just make them because they look cool.

I was under the impression that soldiers had hearing protection since their opponents don't necessarily use suppressors. Especially not on their explosives.

They probably do. However that's what suppressors (For pistols) where designed to do and what they are used for. I believe armed police teams like swat teams use them, mostly for when they are raiding a buildings. To both hide the flash and stop them going death from the close range gun fire.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Suppression still isn't that much of a plus. Actually, it's not a plus at all. There's no reason to have a suppressor on anything besides a sniper rifle. It's not an advantage to have a suppressed pistol.

Not for general use or for self defence there isn't. However they are mostly used for long gun fights or raids. Mainly so the users don't go death from the noise. That's why they design them for pistols as well as rifles. They don't just make them because they look cool.

I was under the impression that soldiers had hearing protection since their opponents don't necessarily use suppressors. Especially not on their explosives.

They probably do. However that's what suppressors (For pistols) where designed to do and what they are used for. I believe armed police teams like swat teams use them, mostly for when they are raiding a buildings. To both hide the flash and stop them going death from the close range gun fire.

I'm pretty sure they wear hearing protection as well. Besides, hiding the flash in a building? Where everything is in sight? That doesn't make too much sense. A squad of armed and armored people in all black inside a building isn't exactly stealthy.

 

[Simriel]

Prob because it is the most cheapest, most cloned, most available and most produced assault rifle in the world. Also give me a .45 M1911 over a D.Eagle anyday.

Well said on the Kalashnikov. They are reliable, powerful, and abundant. Also, for what it's worth, a m1911 is hands down the sexiest handgun in the world. Hands. Down.

O.T I've been arguing against the Deagle since it first came onto my radar with the first CS. It's all been said in this thread already so I won't throw my opinion on the pile. As a side note, these complaints have been leveled by me against the Barrett .50 Cal and the minigun. Both are highly overrepresented in videogames, and neither are practical anti-personel weapons.

Agreed on all points except one. The M1911 is the sexist Semi Automatic/Automatic handgun ever. Revolvers. And there is a reason the Barrets full name includes Anti-Material Rifle. It's a chopper killer, made for punching through thin armoured plates and armoured glass.

 

[CRoone]

I think it's probably because it's one of the most famous weapons.

I second this statement. I once heard it said that the Desert Eagle is the Katana of pistols; overhyped, overused, and merely a lazy shorthand way of saying that the wielder is some kind of badass. I have some suggestions for those developers intent on featuring big chrome phallic symbols in their FPS games, though:

*Taurus "Raging Bull" - .454 Casull. Last seen in Rainbow Six: Vegas.
*Arcadia Machine & Tool "AutoMag" IV and V - .44 Magnum and .50 Action Express, respectively.
*Magnum Research Industries "BFR" - .480 Ruger, etc. No, "BFR" doesn't actually mean "Big F***ing Revolver", but that doesn't mean it isn't one regardless...
*Smith & Wesson .500 Magnum Revolver - .500 S&W Magnum (a bit redundant, but at least it's easy to remember)

I featured a number of these guns in a Tabletop RPG I ran recently. The main characters were all Action Hero archetypes, and considering the levels of wrist-strength necessary to control such guns, it makes sense in context. Whenever somebody still chose the Desert Eagle after viewing my list, though, I made sure to give them a dope slap and an EXP penalty for unoriginality later.

 

[Pyro Paul]

just like the AK-47, it is only popular because it is iconic.
it is the go to 'Bad mo-fo' gun you put in your actors hand to show that he means buisness.

No real point in a suppressor anyway. Also I know a suppressors aren't as useful as they are shown in Hollywood. They are mostly used to stop people from going death in long gun fights or used to hide mussel flash in sniper rifles. Supression doen't all that much matter but we were talking about advantages and disadvantages and that's one of them. Not a big one but if you ever did (for some reason) want to suppress your revolver... Your going to have a real hard to doing it.

you can silence a revolver easy. just insert a ceramic tab between the cylinder and barrel, then place a sound supressor at the buisness end of the barrel.

Suppressors are diffrent things that 'Silencers'

Sound Suppressors are designed to lower the shot profile of Full Automatic weapons so that they are less noticable. an Mp5 with normal ammo can be heard from miles away while an Mp5 with a suppressor and Subsonic rounds is barely a whisper at 1000 feet. and though on a person to person level that really isn't much, this is the diffrence between you shooting up a patrol and getting away with it and sending a base into full alert.

Silencers is the something you see in movies. and yes Silencers do work that well. an M-14 Marksman rifle with Silencer will only produce a 'Clicking' noise when fired. that clicking noise is the sound of the slide going back and forth. the Problem with silencers, which is often ignored in movies, is that you can't shoot too many shots in quick succession. the silencer takes in all of the hot gas of each shot to be vented more slowly (thus removing the loud bang noise and bright muzzle flash). but too many shots in rapid succession fills the cylinder up to bursting point and litterally the end of the barrel explodes.

If I'm using a revolver in a shootout, I'm close. I'll probably hit you. And you can tell me why your gun jammed and how it's unfair that mine didn't.

I've seen guys go through thousands of rounds of .45 apc with 1911s, entire cases of 9mm for berettas. automatics jam... this is true. but unless if you're storing your hand gun mud and washing it with sand paper and i don't think 'jamming' is an issue.

 

[Smeg_head]

Heh, most of my friends see as 'super-cool' and use it as their favourite. So if people like it, why not? I personally would prefer an M1911 in games.

 

[Sejs Cube]

Because it's like a normal pistol, only bigger. When you start getting into the realm of Giant Fuckoff Hand Cannon your options start to be rather limited. Desert Eagle or Dirty Harry. S'about it.

 

[mechanixis]

"Realistic" games feel the need to do a lot of things, and very few of them are in any way realistic.

 

[Magnesium360]

Kid in my class at school the other day would NOT SHUT UP ABOUT THE FREAKING DESERT EAGLE. Pisses me off because it's a stupid gun. Yeah it's accurate and damaging but that's WHY YOU HAVE A BLOODY RIFLE. It's at the top end of being classified as Small Arms due to it's .50 cal chambering in some models. It's heavy, unwieldly in a close combat situation and largely pointless. The whole purpose of a pistol is to be light weight, low recoil, and fast firing, somthing the Desert Eagle is surpassed in by many other pistols. Saying you've got an extra powerful pistol that despite being clunky and having one hell of a stupid-ass recoil for an average combat pistol situation but has a 200m range is like saying you have an easy bake oven that can go up to 10,000 degrees celcius. It's stupid and probably compensating for something. No offence to Desert Eagle owners just saying it's a decent pistol but in my opinion far from top of the range in most military situations.

 

[BrionJames]

the "Deagle" is sadly the thing I see most often in a game, that I hate. It's a huge clunky gun, and if you lifted that up shot it and then picked up a 1911 Frame pistol of any kind and fired that you would think "hmm, this is much easier to handle, fires a round big enough to kill a man in one shot and it weighs half as much." or really any other hand gun.

 

[Magnesium360]

"Realistic" games feel the need to do a lot of things, and very few of them are in any way realistic.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[hariman]

Because it LOOKS cool.

In reality, it's heavy, the bullets are remarkably expensive, it has a small clip, there's a large amount of recoil, and the velocity of the standard Desert Eagle slug is hilariously slow.

You actually get a larger amount of force impacting the target from smaller guns with somewhat smaller but more practical calibers of ammo. The difference is not muzzle velocity, but how fast the bullet slows as it travels downrange.

 

[Sovvolf]

Suppression still isn't that much of a plus. Actually, it's not a plus at all. There's no reason to have a suppressor on anything besides a sniper rifle. It's not an advantage to have a suppressed pistol.

Not for general use or for self defence there isn't. However they are mostly used for long gun fights or raids. Mainly so the users don't go death from the noise. That's why they design them for pistols as well as rifles. They don't just make them because they look cool.

I was under the impression that soldiers had hearing protection since their opponents don't necessarily use suppressors. Especially not on their explosives.

They probably do. However that's what suppressors (For pistols) where designed to do and what they are used for. I believe armed police teams like swat teams use them, mostly for when they are raiding a buildings. To both hide the flash and stop them going death from the close range gun fire.

I'm pretty sure they wear hearing protection as well. Besides, hiding the flash in a building? Where everything is in sight? That doesn't make too much sense. A squad of armed and armored people in all black inside a building isn't exactly stealthy.

I'm pretty sure they do too. That doesn't change the fact that they use them and they probably use them for a good reason. Also doesn't change the fact that there's obviously an advantage from using a silencer.

 

[Pyro Paul]

They probably do. However that's what suppressors (For pistols) where designed to do and what they are used for. I believe armed police teams like swat teams use them, mostly for when they are raiding a buildings. To both hide the flash and stop them going death from the close range gun fire.

acustics are an intresting thing... a 9mm hand gun fired in an open range on a clear day can be heard from miles away, that same 9mm hand gun fired in a convienence store isn't even heard 2 blocks down in a busy city.

it is plausable that a team can fire suppressed weapons and not be heard the next room over.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

They probably do. However that's what suppressors (For pistols) where designed to do and what they are used for. I believe armed police teams like swat teams use them, mostly for when they are raiding a buildings. To both hide the flash and stop them going death from the close range gun fire.

acustics are an intresting thing... a 9mm hand gun fired in an open range on a clear day can be heard from miles away, that same 9mm hand gun fired in a convienence store isn't even heard 2 blocks down in a busy city.

it is plausable that a team can fire suppressed weapons and not be heard the next room over.

"The next room over" might be pushing it a bit. The other side of the building, maybe.

 

[vonjibble]

In S.T.A.L.K.E.R.SoC u can find a D.eagle near Gordon Freemans corpse(no joke)and the gun is almost useless, it uses hard to get ammo and is almost impossible to aim quickly unlike the easily superior Kora 919(M1911) that is better in almost every way.

also S.T.A.L.K.E.R. is more "realistic" then almost any other game (that I have played) when it comes to gun mechanics e.g. if u don't maintain them they will jam when firing etc.

as for why people like the D.eagle, it looks cool.

 

[Vrex360]

Possibly because it seems like a logical replacement to the big ass revolvers of the past as the 'heavy duty pistol' used by people who operate big weapons. Although Modern Warfare 2 still had a revolver (or magnum) for one of its classes so I doubt that's the case.

It's probably just because they needed a modern heavy pistol and the Desert Eagle came to mind.

 

[Assassin Xaero]

Why do "realistic" games all feel the need to include the Desert Eagle as a weapon?

Left 4 Dead 2

>_>

Technically, that was a magnum (I think). Personally, I would have liked to have two of those, too.