Why do you like Obama?

[yzzlthtz]

Jobs going overseas is not always a bad thing, other countries have a much higher productive efficiency than we do. Plus those jobs are coming back! because those low wage workers in other countries are pushing for higher earnings(at least in India). ... how does the capitalist market pollute our air and water? I just don't see it I went to the gulf of mexico and you could see 80 feet straight down to the bottom. flying out west you can see300+ miles in either direction. So the environment is looking good from where i stand.

yzzlthtz! STOP! I know you want to, but DO NOT respond to this fool. I hope you read the above and realized that this person is beyond reason, and may even lack the capacity for logical thought.

I've asked the same questions you're asking, about why socialism is so bad, but I've stopped arguing the point with many Americans, because they don't understand or even want to understand what socialism actually is. Socialism is just another Red Herring like communism before it, something that because it is not in America is somehow anti-American. Just like how "Arab" and "Muslim" have become insults directed at Obama, and few have dared to ask "So what if he was?" This country and a lot of the people in it have a sort of "with us or against us" mentality that may ultimately destroy them. You cannot reason with these kinds of people.

*sigh* you're right. it's just so hard to let go. how can people be so daft?

 

[yzzlthtz]

simple....i dont. hes pro choice...and many many other things...and he makes absolutely no sense watso ever

interesting that "pro choice" is such a pressing issue for you when there are so many other crises in the world right now.
fact is, there will always be women who choose to have an abortion, especially rape victims, whether it's legal or not. Pro-choice means having safe facilities and organizations that will actually talk to women about the choice they are making and present alternatives.
Pro-Life laws will lead to incarceration and underground, unsafe, uncaring abortions clinics.
seems like a no-brainer to me.

 

[Alex_P]

simple....i dont. hes pro choice...and many many other things...and he makes absolutely no sense watso ever

This is what you sound like:
"Abortion is my political shibboleth and nothing else matters. But I'm sure he's also a bad guy -- it's not because the abortion thing makes all other concerns meaningless to me, I swear!"

-- Alex

 

[ffxfriek]

simple....i dont. hes pro choice...and many many other things...and he makes absolutely no sense watso ever

interesting that "pro choice" is such a pressing issue for you when there are so many other crises in the world right now.
fact is, there will always be women who choose to have an abortion, especially rape victims, whether it's legal or not. Pro-choice means having safe facilities and organizations that will actually talk to women about the choice they are making and present alternatives.
Pro-Life laws will lead to incarceration and underground, unsafe, uncaring abortions clinics.
seems like a no-brainer to me.

idc about economy because u cant eliminate debt and lower taxes at the same time..if anything thatll cause a bigger debt...weres the money going to come form??? the rest of the world thatll cause even bigger debt for the WORLD. ok thanks and i can go on and on and on about this forever so lets get this interesting

 

[yzzlthtz]

I don't hate him because he's black, I never even said that. He's been judged because he is friends with Ayers, a man who bombed the pentagon and claimed he and the 9/11 bombers didn't do enough. He even announced his candidacy for senate at his house. he's friends with Farakan, head of the nation of islam, a terrorist organization. His pastor is racist, he hates whites, and prays death to America, and Obama is a deacon in his church, so he knows his pastor and his views...I don't give a shit that he's black...he could be whiter than McCain's hair I'd still think the man was evil...and no offense to you morning blues, but when the government decides to take over things that should be based on a free market, that's socialism...and that may fly in Canada but this is America, a country built upon the free market

See, here's the problem: you don't want a real conversation.

If you wanted a real conversation you'd read up on some of this stuff for ten minutes instead of just repeating it indiscriminately.

There's no point in saying anything good about Obama because you will respond with "Yeah, but what about ? Doesn't that kinda eclipse his good aspects?"

There's no point in saying anything bad about Obama because you will also respond with "Yeah, but what about ? Isn't that a lot worse than the thing you mentioned?"

-- Alex

Yup, you pretty much hit the nail on the head. This is a veiled attempt at a dialog when in fact the original poster's outlandish claim that he doesn't know a single good thing about Obama makes it clear that he's just a blind party follower.

I don't know, when he visited Europe and met with various world leaders?

Say we get attacked while either of them is in office. Who is more likely to respond quickly without having to ask the UN for approval? Who us more likely wait until we have UN approval? The message McCain sends out is that we aren't going to ask for permission to come find you and kill you.

Funny that you advocate for a candidate based on his "intimidation factor", and that your entire analysis of foreign policy seems based on being afraid yourself.

"What if we're attacked?!"

The irony is staggering.

First of all, thats not my only reason for voting for McCain, it is just ONE. Call me paranoid, but I really don't want another 9/11.

Don't want another 9/11? probably shouldn't vote for McCain then.

Wow, your long list of reasons and truly convincing argument have swayed me to the side of naive change mongering.

McCain could care less about the rest of the world. It's the "America first" policies, our hoarding of resources, our arming of cultures against one another, our poor treatment of other countries, and paranoia of other ideologies that has created enemies of our empire. Now add on the unbiased torture of terrorist suspects, the sloppy war in Iraq... McCain seems, to me, like he'll only continue this paranoia-inspired "America First" attitude towards foreign policy, while Obama seems willing to do whatever it takes to keep us safe, be it negotiation, be it infiltration, be it pressuring our allies, be it war.

 

[sneakypenguin]

Jobs going overseas is not always a bad thing, other countries have a much higher productive efficiency than we do. Plus those jobs are coming back! because those low wage workers in other countries are pushing for higher earnings(at least in India). ... how does the capitalist market pollute our air and water? I just don't see it I went to the gulf of mexico and you could see 80 feet straight down to the bottom. flying out west you can see300+ miles in either direction. So the environment is looking good from where i stand.

yzzlthtz! STOP! I know you want to, but DO NOT respond to this fool. I hope you read the above and realized that this person is beyond reason, and may even lack the capacity for logical thought.

I've asked the same questions you're asking, about why socialism is so bad, but I've stopped arguing the point with many Americans, because they don't understand or even want to understand what socialism actually is. Socialism is just another Red Herring like communism before it, something that because it is not in America is somehow anti-American. Just like how "Arab" and "Muslim" have become insults directed at Obama, and few have dared to ask "So what if he was?" This country and a lot of the people in it have a sort of "with us or against us" mentality that may ultimately destroy them. You cannot reason with these kinds of people.

*sigh* you're right. it's just so hard to let go. how can people be so daft?

Geez I've been called daft,fool,idiot and who knows what else by our o so kind liberal friends here lol. I guess you tolerate everyone unless they hold a different view such bitterness. But to each his own I guess

 

[Bulletinmybrain]

I'm from the Netherlands, and over here practically everybody would vote for Barack Obama. Even our own Christian conservatives (excluding the SGP-party, who are more Christian and more conservative than anything the American 'Moral Majority' can come up with) would vote for Obama.

Why?

Because Obama is so much more in line with our own perception of how a good politician should be. True, he's not left enough for our own true left-wing, but he's the best candidate in years. We in Europe, or at least in the Netherlands, have grown sick and tired of the Bush administration. It's a myth that 'we' 'hate' America. We hate how the Bush administration has presented itself to and upon the world. We'd like to see a change in the American policy, one we feel Obama can bring.

The best thing that could happen to the USA in their foreign relationships is Obama as president, McCain is different from Bush, but still a Republican. And to be honest, the Republican party makes many of us Dutchies barf.

I'd like to close with a comment on the whole mud-slinging thing. Over here, we usually (not in all cases, though) judge our politicians on their trustworthiness and programme. Not because they might or might not have done something in their personal lifes. "The Party" is more important than he or she who represents it. Still, this might be the case because we have a multiple party-system, and not just two.

I would like to point out that one of americas greatest presidents good ol' Abe.(Then again he practically started the party but he was a good example of a good republican.)

 

[yzzlthtz]

simple....i dont. hes pro choice...and many many other things...and he makes absolutely no sense watso ever

interesting that "pro choice" is such a pressing issue for you when there are so many other crises in the world right now.
fact is, there will always be women who choose to have an abortion, especially rape victims, whether it's legal or not. Pro-choice means having safe facilities and organizations that will actually talk to women about the choice they are making and present alternatives.
Pro-Life laws will lead to incarceration and underground, unsafe, uncaring abortions clinics.
seems like a no-brainer to me.

idc about economy because u cant eliminate debt and lower taxes at the same time..if anything thatll cause a bigger debt...weres the money going to come form??? the rest of the world thatll cause even bigger debt for the WORLD. ok thanks and i can go on and on and on about this forever so lets get this interesting

actually you can. Raise taxes for the wealthy, and give the majority of people more money to spend by cutting their taxes.

 

[yzzlthtz]

Jobs going overseas is not always a bad thing, other countries have a much higher productive efficiency than we do. Plus those jobs are coming back! because those low wage workers in other countries are pushing for higher earnings(at least in India). ... how does the capitalist market pollute our air and water? I just don't see it I went to the gulf of mexico and you could see 80 feet straight down to the bottom. flying out west you can see300+ miles in either direction. So the environment is looking good from where i stand.

yzzlthtz! STOP! I know you want to, but DO NOT respond to this fool. I hope you read the above and realized that this person is beyond reason, and may even lack the capacity for logical thought.

I've asked the same questions you're asking, about why socialism is so bad, but I've stopped arguing the point with many Americans, because they don't understand or even want to understand what socialism actually is. Socialism is just another Red Herring like communism before it, something that because it is not in America is somehow anti-American. Just like how "Arab" and "Muslim" have become insults directed at Obama, and few have dared to ask "So what if he was?" This country and a lot of the people in it have a sort of "with us or against us" mentality that may ultimately destroy them. You cannot reason with these kinds of people.

*sigh* you're right. it's just so hard to let go. how can people be so daft?

Geez I've been called daft,fool,idiot and who knows what else by our o so kind liberal friends here lol. I guess you tolerate everyone unless they hold a different view such bitterness. But to each his own I guess

i'll tolerate you fine, even have tea with you, but if you choose to turn a blind eye to realities that threaten our ways of life, i will call you daft.

 

[Bulletinmybrain]

I don't hate him because he's black, I never even said that. He's been judged because he is friends with Ayers, a man who bombed the pentagon and claimed he and the 9/11 bombers didn't do enough. He even announced his candidacy for senate at his house. he's friends with Farakan, head of the nation of islam, a terrorist organization. His pastor is racist, he hates whites, and prays death to America, and Obama is a deacon in his church, so he knows his pastor and his views...I don't give a shit that he's black...he could be whiter than McCain's hair I'd still think the man was evil...and no offense to you morning blues, but when the government decides to take over things that should be based on a free market, that's socialism...and that may fly in Canada but this is America, a country built upon the free market

See, here's the problem: you don't want a real conversation.

If you wanted a real conversation you'd read up on some of this stuff for ten minutes instead of just repeating it indiscriminately.

There's no point in saying anything good about Obama because you will respond with "Yeah, but what about ? Doesn't that kinda eclipse his good aspects?"

There's no point in saying anything bad about Obama because you will also respond with "Yeah, but what about ? Isn't that a lot worse than the thing you mentioned?"

-- Alex

Yup, you pretty much hit the nail on the head. This is a veiled attempt at a dialog when in fact the original poster's outlandish claim that he doesn't know a single good thing about Obama makes it clear that he's just a blind party follower.

I don't know, when he visited Europe and met with various world leaders?

Say we get attacked while either of them is in office. Who is more likely to respond quickly without having to ask the UN for approval? Who us more likely wait until we have UN approval? The message McCain sends out is that we aren't going to ask for permission to come find you and kill you.

Funny that you advocate for a candidate based on his "intimidation factor", and that your entire analysis of foreign policy seems based on being afraid yourself.

"What if we're attacked?!"

The irony is staggering.

First of all, thats not my only reason for voting for McCain, it is just ONE. Call me paranoid, but I really don't want another 9/11.

Don't want another 9/11? probably shouldn't vote for McCain then.

Wow, your long list of reasons and truly convincing argument have swayed me to the side of naive change mongering.

McCain could care less about the rest of the world. It's the "America first" policies, our hoarding of resources, our arming of cultures against one another, our poor treatment of other countries, and paranoia of other ideologies that has created enemies of our empire. Now add on the unbiased torture of terrorist suspects, the sloppy war in Iraq... McCain seems, to me, like he'll only continue this paranoia-inspired "America First" attitude towards foreign policy, while Obama seems willing to do whatever it takes to keep us safe, be it negotiation, be it infiltration, be it pressuring our allies, be it war.

Lets leave torture alone with McCain. He has a biased since he was tortured extensively.

 

[sneakypenguin]

i'll tolerate you fine, even have tea with you, but if you choose to turn a blind eye to realities that threaten our ways of life, i will call you daft.

What realities have I turned a blind eye on that threaten our ways of life? Just curious.

 

[Brockyman]

Short Answer: No
Long Answer: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Just think of it this way.. If John McCain had went to a church for 20 years where a Klan member preached hate towards black people(Racist), had bought his home from Jack Abramoff (lobbyest under investigation), and had started his politcal life in the home of Eric Rudolph or Timothy McVeigh (right wing domestic terrorists), not only would he not be running for president... he wouldn't be in politics!! Despite his service to the US.

But when Obama goes to a chruch for 20 years with Reverand (ha ha) Wright (Rascist), bought this home from Tony Resco (lobbyest under investigation), and started his career in the home of Bill Ayres (left wing domestic terrorist), and add in his assocation to Marxist leaders and teachings, and his connection to the group ACORN who is under investigation for voter registartion fraud! But for Obama, its all ok for some reason.

These things DO matter, at least they would for the Republican/Conservative candidate.

 

[Alex_P]

I would like to point out that one of americas greatest presidents good ol' Abe.(Then again he practically started the party but he was a good example of a good republican.)

I would like to point out that the parties have shifted platforms several times since then. There was a time when Democrats were social conservatives, for example (and about a 15-year-period when Democrats were both liberals and social conservatives fighting for the soul of the party).

I would also like to point out that, over the last decade or so, the Republican Party has pretty much completely thrown away its old intellectual tradition in favor of a rabid fear-driven populism that knows neither sense nor compromise.

-- Alex

 

[Hunde Des Krieg]

I don't hate him because he's black, I never even said that. He's been judged because he is friends with Ayers, a man who bombed the pentagon and claimed he and the 9/11 bombers didn't do enough. He even announced his candidacy for senate at his house. he's friends with Farakan, head of the nation of islam, a terrorist organization. His pastor is racist, he hates whites, and prays death to America, and Obama is a deacon in his church, so he knows his pastor and his views...I don't give a shit that he's black...he could be whiter than McCain's hair I'd still think the man was evil...and no offense to you morning blues, but when the government decides to take over things that should be based on a free market, that's socialism...and that may fly in Canada but this is America, a country built upon the free market

There is nothing wrong with free markets when the companies are run by hard working, fair and intelligent business leaders, but most in this country are run by backstabbing, cut-throat greedy monsters who would shortchange their entire work force so they could buy one more luxury yacht, and for some reason, up until now we the people have had no real ability to stop people like that, aside from violent insurrection, but for some reason the government frowns on that.

 

[yzzlthtz]

Short Answer: No
Long Answer: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Just think of it this way.. If John McCain had went to a church for 20 years where a Klan member preached hate towards black people(Racist), had bought his home from Jack Abramoff (lobbyest under investigation), and had started his politcal life in the home of Eric Rudolph or Timothy McVeigh (right wing domestic terrorists), not only would he not be running for president... he wouldn't be in politics!! Despite his service to the US.

But when Obama goes to a chruch for 20 years with Reverand (ha ha) Wright (Rascist), bought this home from Tony Resco (lobbyest under investigation), and started his career in the home of Bill Ayres (left wing domestic terrorist), and add in his assocation to Marxist leaders and teachings, and his connection to the group ACORN who is under investigation for voter registartion fraud! But for Obama, its all ok for some reason.

These things DO matter, at least they would for the Republican/Conservative candidate.

whoa, buddy, who's the racist now?

 

[yzzlthtz]

I would like to point out that one of americas greatest presidents good ol' Abe.(Then again he practically started the party but he was a good example of a good republican.)

I would like to point out that the parties have shifted platforms several times since then. There was a time when Democrats were social conservatives, for example (and about a 15-year-period when Democrats were both liberals and social conservatives fighting for the soul of the party).

I would also like to point out that, over the last decade or so, the Republican Party has pretty much completely thrown away its old intellectual tradition in favor of a rabid fear-driven populism that knows neither sense nor compromise.

-- Alex

amen

 

[Brockyman]

I would like to point out that one of americas greatest presidents good ol' Abe.(Then again he practically started the party but he was a good example of a good republican.)

Spoiler: Great example of Lincoln's amazing character

I will say, then, that I AM NOT NOR HAVE EVER BEEN in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the black and white races---that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters
or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with White people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the White and black races which will ever FORBID the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together, there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the White race

...Yeah he was a great example of a Republican.

Short Answer: No
Long Answer: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Just think of it this way.. If John McCain had went to a church for 20 years where a Klan member preached hate towards black people(Racist), had bought his home from Jack Abramoff (lobbyest under investigation), and had started his politcal life in the home of Eric Rudolph or Timothy McVeigh (right wing domestic terrorists), not only would he not be running for president... he wouldn't be in politics!! Despite his service to the US.

But when Obama goes to a chruch for 20 years with Reverand (ha ha) Wright (Rascist), bought this home from Tony Resco (lobbyest under investigation), and started his career in the home of Bill Ayres (left wing domestic terrorist), and add in his assocation to Marxist leaders and teachings, and his connection to the group ACORN who is under investigation for voter registartion fraud! But for Obama, its all ok for some reason.

These things DO matter, at least they would for the Republican/Conservative candidate.

Yeah, those sneaky black people get away with everything!

Wow. Do you people have to always play the freaking race card! I was pointing out liberal bias in the media! I hate it that liberals always make everyhing about freaking race!

It has nothing to do with Obama's name, or race. If his name was John Smith and was white as the driven snow, I still wouldn't vote for him! If John McCain was black, I'd vote for him. Martin Luther King himself said that its wasn't "about the color of your skin, but the content of your character", and Obama's character worries me. You can be judged by the company you keep!

Just b/c I don't like the man (Obama) doesn't mean I'm a racsit, or those who support John McCain, and I'm so sick and f*cking tired of those of you who say or think that!