Why Homosexuality Should be Banned

[AnkaraTheFallen]

Yeah I understand that, but despite that they might not accept me, they are still good friends to me and we have a lot of fun together. However, it's not losing them as friends I'm worried about, it's that by telling them my parents will find out.

Ever thought about seeing if your friends join a conversation about LGBT and just sitting back and seeing what their opinions are?

They're all from the same catholic school I went to, and the majority of them seem to be the same as I used to be, if you read my previous posts (page 8 I think). Some would probably be fine with it, but again, it's the worry that my parents will hear that stops me.

 

[Snowy Rainbow]

She is, and I'm very lucky to have her.

D'awwww. I'm all full of mushy goo now. People being in love makes me so happy ^___^

I don't think we have to be this way. Just like we no longer burn witches at the stake, I believe we as a people can move beyond discrimination of this sort.

The only way to stop the human from being bad, is to end it with a big bang. Really, people often that humans aren't "pure". Neither evil, nor good. There will always be war, hate, discrimination,...as long as people have a mind of their own. Do you know the movie "Equilibrium"? If no, you'd better watch it, because it shows my standpoint pretty nice. In short: As long as there are feelings, people will hate.
"I believe that we as people can move beyond discrimination of this sort."
Why don't you say:
"I believe that the majority of people can move beyond discrimination of this sort"?

I'd like to believe we can move beyond it though. It seems impossible now, but given time and love, who knows?

 

[Tentickles]

I don't think we have to be this way. Just like we no longer burn witches at the stake, I believe we as a people can move beyond discrimination of this sort.

The only way to stop the human from being bad, is to end it with a big bang. Really, people often that humans aren't "pure". Neither evil, nor good. There will always be war, hate, discrimination,...as long as people have a mind of their own. Do you know the movie "Equilibrium"? If no, you'd better watch it, because it shows my standpoint pretty nice. In short: As long as there are feelings, people will hate.
"I believe that we as people can move beyond discrimination of this sort."
Why don't you say:
"I believe that the majority of people can move beyond discrimination of this sort"?

Human change is an utterly slow process. It has been speeding up with the advent of technology but it will still take decades before the issues of today's generation will be accepted.
Example: the Women's rights movement, it's been nearly 100 years since that started and women are still fighting against discrimination and lower paying jobs (just because they are women!)

 

[cobra_ky]

"Gays dont deserve rights because they are unnatural." sounds an awful lot like:
"Blacks dont deserve rights because they are not White."

Ouch....so....much....fail.....hurts....brain.
No, really. The main difference is that one is evil but SOMEWHAT* true and the other one is just evil, racist,....call it how you want. The problem is being objective, and in the "gay-rights-discussion" most people certainly aren't. The outcome is as objective as if you'd ask a Jew about his opinion on Hitler in the 40's.

*Not offending, but if you think I'm trolling - go inform yourself a fair bit.

there's virtually no difference, because neither statement is even remotely true.

I'd like to think i'm quite well-informed on the subject already. <a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals>Homosexual behavior occurs in nature.

People may not be objective, but arguments sure can be. Hitler WAS objectively bad. So is racism, and so is homophobia today.

 

[James Joseph Emerald]

"Gays dont deserve rights because they are unnatural." sounds an awful lot like:
"Blacks dont deserve rights because they are not White."

Ouch....so....much....fail.....hurts....brain.
No, really. The main difference is that one is evil but SOMEWHAT* true

*Not offending, but if you think I'm trolling - go inform yourself a fair bit.

Dictionary, define: unnatural.
un·nat·u·ral/&#716;&#601;n&#712;naCH(&#601r&#601;l/Adjective
1. Contrary to the ordinary course of nature; abnormal.
2. Not existing in nature; artificial.

Thank you, dictionary. Hm, guess I need to inform myself a little more...

Wiki.

Wiki: Yes, master?

What do you know about the nature of homosexuality?

Wiki: When it was first described in medical literature, homosexuality was often approached from a view that sought to find an inherent psychopathology as its root cause. Much literature on mental health and homosexual patients centered on their depression, substance abuse, and suicide. Although these issues exist among people who are non-heterosexual, discussion about their causes shifted after homosexuality was removed from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM) in 1973. Stigma, prejudice, and discrimination stemming from negative societal attitudes toward homosexuality lead to a higher prevalence of mental health disorders among lesbians, gay men, and bisexuals compared to their heterosexual peers.[109] Evidence indicates that the liberalization of these attitudes over the past few decades is associated with a decrease in such mental health risks among younger LGBT people.

So what you're saying, Wiki, is that once homosexuality is accepted by society, it becomes natural?

Wiki: That's what the evidence, suggests, yes.

Thank you. That will be all.

 

[The Lawn]

Yeah yeah, let homosexuals get married. Life, liberty, pursuit of happiness and all that jazz.

But one super important point this video touches on is the weirdness of instant oatmeal.
I mean, you pour a little packet of flat oaty things into a bowl, add water, and after a couple seconds in the microwave. BAM! Food.
What kind of witchcraft is this? I went from a totally unappealing bowl of soggy oaty things to a delicious flavored bowl of warm breakfast goodness.
This kind of wizardry must be stopped, so I say we stop banning people from being happy and doing their own thing and start focusing on the instant oatmeal menace.

 

[Snowy Rainbow]

"Gays dont deserve rights because they are unnatural." sounds an awful lot like:
"Blacks dont deserve rights because they are not White."

Ouch....so....much....fail.....hurts....brain.
No, really. The main difference is that one is evil but SOMEWHAT* true and the other one is just evil, racist,....call it how you want. The problem is being objective, and in the "gay-rights-discussion" most people certainly aren't. The outcome is as objective as if you'd ask a Jew about his opinion on Hitler in the 40's.

*Not offending, but if you think I'm trolling - go inform yourself a fair bit.

there's virtually no difference, because neither statement is even remotely true.

I'd like to think i'm quite well-informed on the subject already. <a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals>Homosexual behavior occurs in nature.

People may not be objective, but arguments sure can be. Hitler WAS objectively bad. So is racism, and so is homophobia today.

Well, bad is subjective in nature, so Hitler wasn't objectively anything. I think something like 90% of the world sees him as evil (possibly the most evil man ever) but that is an opinion -- one I agree with.

Terms like good, bad, evil, funny and nice are all subjective opinions; what one person thinks is funny another may find boring and mundane. Neither of them are right or wrong.

 

[Tentickles]

They're all from the same catholic school I went to, and the majority of them seem to be the same as I used to be, if you read my previous posts (page 8 I think). Some would probably be fine with it, but again, it's the worry that my parents will hear that stops me.

It might sound horrible but after University if your family still has the same opinion when you tell them it might be best to just cut your losses. They will still be your family.

But hearing those things from family members often hurts more than any physical attack ever could.

 

[Tentickles]

Yeah yeah, let homosexuals get married. Life, liberty, pursuit of happiness and all that jazz.

But one super important point this video touches on is the weirdness of instant oatmeal.
I mean, you pour a little packet of flat oaty things into a bowl, add water, and after a couple seconds in the microwave. BAM! Food.
What kind of witchcraft is this? I went from a totally unappealing bowl of soggy oaty things to a delicious flavored bowl of warm breakfast goodness.
This kind of wizardry must be stopped, so I say we stop banning people from being happy and doing their own thing and start focusing on the instant oatmeal menace.

I agree with this statement 100%

The Lawn for president!

 

[Snowy Rainbow]

Yeah yeah, let homosexuals get married. Life, liberty, pursuit of happiness and all that jazz.

But one super important point this video touches on is the weirdness of instant oatmeal.
I mean, you pour a little packet of flat oaty things into a bowl, add water, and after a couple seconds in the microwave. BAM! Food.
What kind of witchcraft is this? I went from a totally unappealing bowl of soggy oaty things to a delicious flavored bowl of warm breakfast goodness.
This kind of wizardry must be stopped, so I say we stop banning people from being happy and doing their own thing and start focusing on the instant oatmeal menace.

*rolls on floor laughing*

Awesome post. Thanks for the laugh!

 

[AnkaraTheFallen]

They're all from the same catholic school I went to, and the majority of them seem to be the same as I used to be, if you read my previous posts (page 8 I think). Some would probably be fine with it, but again, it's the worry that my parents will hear that stops me.

It might sound horrible but after University if your family still has the same opinion when you tell them it might be best to just cut your losses. They will still be your family.

But hearing those things from family members often hurts more than any physical attack ever could.

I know, and I plan on telling them when I'm in university, or as I leave. As I said in a previous post, my GF says I can stay with her if I need. So I'm telling them as soon as I can support myself.

 

[Baradiel]

You know, ive seen a lot of threads about homosexuality in these forums, and most if not all the posts defend it with an almost religious fervor. What is it with you people and gay rights, how can anyone defend that. Im sorry for being a "troll" or whatever, but seriously ppl.

You're so obviously trolling, and you will soon be banned, but in the meantime lets try and discuss your failings as a decent human being.

Its funny you describe standing for gay rights as being 'almost religious', which I think is ironic and slightly insulting to the cause. Gay Rights uses scientific, medical and social evidence to promote equality and understanding, while religion uses fear, ignorance and hatred to install feelings of loyalty to an imaginary being, often with the promise of eternal happiness, in exchange for your free will and worldly possessions.

So, yeah... Grow a pair.

And i find it ironic you treat an entire group (religion) as complete garbage... because you have seen some of them treat a different group (homosexuals) like garbage.

Personally I am against two things homosexual (Gay pride and marriage - The latter on principle, and the former because pride in something you're trying to tell me is irrelevant to your character makes absolutely zero sense) but i am not against homosexuals themselves.

If you're against the religious reasons for denouncing homosexuality, fine. My pride in my savior can take the hit. But don't you fucking DARE tell me that my entire group is idiotic garbage because of something a single troll on an internet forum said.

Firstly, I'll accept that I fell for the troll. I was angry, and I generalised. I'd just like to say I don't consider religion to be complete garbage, some basic principals are worth upholding.

The gay pride thing I've already tried to explain to people, in that it isn't just about being proud in your sexuality, its a way of showing a united front against those who would try and persecute and harm them if they were separate.

My reasons for my anti-religion are many and far reaching, with the way major religions treat homosexuals being just one, and its not just because of that one troll. Religion has its good points, such as making people feel accepted and secure (heh, kinda like a gay pride march, really), but it also has many, many problems which I can't pass off. Don't get me wrong, I used to be religious, I have many friends who are religious, and we often have friendly, if heated, debates about the benefits and drawbacks of religion.

I won't lie. I look back on my religious upbringing and think "How the hell did I believe that nonsense?" and when people discuss how their saviour will deliver them, I sigh inwardly. I try not too, I honestly do, and I'm usually balanced and objective in everything I do. But I just think about how organised religion has fucked people over, both the people who are part of it and the people who aren't, and I just thank God (Beautiful irony, there) that I'm not one of them.

I'm sorry that you took offense at my post, but my stance on religion is not based on a single troll. Its based on my experiences and the knowledge I have learnt, and my personal opinion.

 

[TheDooD]

the anti troll that video was really good

 

[staika]

I feel so bad for laughing at that but I did and I'll get over it soon enough. Clever troll is clever

 

[Sporky111]

Made me think of this:

I do think that too many people take the sarcastic approach to this issue. Yeah, it works at exposing the blatant hypocrisy in most anti-gay arguements, but it doesn't convey the arguement very maturely.

 

[Vonnis]

Kind of amusing, but the fact this is still an issue is bloody retarded. It's like watching satire from the '50s, except a lot more depressing.

 

[Vault Girl]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhaXh1UY7-4

We studied this video as part of our Ethics and Philosophy class about sexual ethics, it pretty much highlights the misconceptions and tokenism applied to homosexuality.

plus its frikkin hilarious

 

[FireCoroner]

Also, I could point out that the Bible condones slavery itself (Thank you @Ankarathefallen)

That may be true, but do you really think a 2000 year old book which claims that:
A) menstruating women should be shunned(leviticus15:19)
and
B) men who have their testes cut off or crushed shall be denied entry to the kingdom of heaven(Deuteronomy 23:1)
...is a good reference point?

You'd be better off following the Beano.

 

[Vault Girl]

Looks like someone likes to sound intelligent. Let's split it up:

Dictionary, define: unnatural.
un·nat·u·ral/&#716;&#601;n&#712;naCH(&#601r&#601;l/Adjective
1. Contrary to the ordinary course of nature; abnormal.
2. Not existing in nature; artificial.

Not even nature is perfect. Diseases aren't the way it "should" be and for homosexually (the human one - Animals are irrelevant here) the same counts. Therefore both of them are "unnatural".
Note: This is the definition YOU gave ME.

So what you're saying, Wiki, is that once homosexuality is accepted by society, it becomes natural?

Let me do it like you did:

Dictionary, define: nature.
na·ture /&#712;ne&#618;t&#643;&#601;r/
"the natural world as it exists without human beings or civilization."
or
"in an uncivilized or uncultured condition."

So what does it mean in this context?
That it is irrelevant what society thought, thinks or will ever think, as we aren't talking about how the human being/the society changes the world, but how it "should" be. The human can't change nature.
Wow, we're going offtopic here...

Homosexuality is quite common in the natural world in many other species, why should humanity be any different?

 

[AnkaraTheFallen]

Also, I could point out that the Bible condones slavery itself (Thank you @Ankarathefallen)

That may be true, but do you really think a 2000 year old book which claims that:
A) menstruating women should be shunned(leviticus15:19)
and
B) men who have their testes cut off or crushed shall be denied entry to the kingdom of heaven(Deuteronomy 23:1)
...is a good reference point?

You'd be better off following the Beano.

If you read the whole conversation, you'd see he was saying as a way to show that the bible, as well as other sources, makes rediculace claims, and are quite hypocritical at times, he wasn't being serious and saying slavery should be allowed because a book says so.