Why i hate fallout 3.

[GonzoGamer]

It sounds like this isn't your type of game, but you should have known that. There isn't anything you said you didn't like that you couldn't find out from trailers, gameplay footage, or reviews. I know some people get duped into buying a game, but don't get mad at something because you didn't do your research.

I don't like driving games. Does that mean I get to complain if I buy Grid and don't like it? No, because I know I don't like driving games.

IDK.
I can see where he's coming from. If he really liked Oblivion, he probably thought F3 would really be Oblivion with guns. But he's right, while they fixed a lot of combat and leveling issues, they seem to have swept away a lot of the friends and factions, real estate, side activities, and things like that. I personally think it's a better game but it is a smaller one too.

I like Fallout 3 more than Oblivion but had more going on in it and I can see how that could be a game changer. I bought Burnout Paradise because Burnout 3 and Revenge are my all time favorite driving games but Paradise is just another average racing game when compared to Revenge.

 

[Wargamer]

The Yao Guai, Feral Ghouls, Mirelurks, and the insects all are caused by radiation. Although it can cause slight increase in size with insects, that seems to be greatly exaggerated. On mammals, it can cause loss of teeth and hair. A very high dose is needed to damage the brain (5000 REM or more for humans.) Never mind the fact that it causes sterility. Or quick mortality.

The Deathclaws and Molerats were experimental bio-weapons developed by the pre-war government. All the Super Mutants and Centaurs are spawned from FEV, not radiation, which is learned through the main quest. Or you could, you know ACTUALLY have prior knowledge about the game universe.

My point is that you do not need to have these creatures explained. The very name "Super-Mutant" is enough to allow the suspension of disbelief that these are, in fact, mutants created from radiation. The fact they ignore Ghouls strenghtens this idea.

I know where Super-Mutants come from in actuality. I know they are distinct from the West Coast Super-Mutants, just as the Capital Wasteland Brotherhood of Steel are not, strictly speaking, the original Brotherhood of Steel (the Outcasts are closer to that). I know their Power Armour is not the Western BoS Power Armour. I know there is a suit of 'original' Power Armour hidden in the game. I happen to know that bottlecaps were only a currency in a small region in the earlier Fallout games.

But you don't need to know these things - generic sci-fi reasoning will fill the blanks all by itself.

 

[DeadlyYellow]

My point is that you do not need to have these creatures explained. The very name "Super-Mutant" is enough to allow the suspension of disbelief that these are, in fact, mutants created from radiation. The fact they ignore Ghouls strenghtens this idea.

I know where Super-Mutants come from in actuality. I know they are distinct from the West Coast Super-Mutants, just as the Capital Wasteland Brotherhood of Steel are not, strictly speaking, the original Brotherhood of Steel (the Outcasts are closer to that). I know their Power Armour is not the Western BoS Power Armour. I know there is a suit of 'original' Power Armour hidden in the game. I happen to know that bottlecaps were only a currency in a small region in the earlier Fallout games.

But you don't need to know these things - generic sci-fi reasoning will fill the blanks all by itself.

Very valid reasoning. I've always been a bit of a nerd with stuff like this. I find something I like and research back stories, histories and the such. It's mostly just flavor text, but I love it anyway.

I was too tired to really realize it during my original bickering, but the idea of comparison between two games is one that is essentially flawed. Each has their own merits to gauge by, and if someone can't get over their game bias then they really don't say anything worthwhile (if you catch the irony.)

 

[imbaczek]

I think you should have probably done some research into the Fallout games, or played the first two, before buying this.

This is a bad advice. Playing the previous games will make the third part feel very lackluster.

 

[phwbt]

Ah yes. Rad Roaches.
Alright let me see if I can see your point here.. They're roaches. And they're irradiated to the point where some 200 years of exposure to nuclear radiation has left them "slightly" mutated. To the point where bugspray is more like hairspray to them.
Yeah. Rad Roach just doesn't fit the bill here. Yup. So poorly named. Let's go with.. "Big effin roaches." Or maybe "Maximus Roachus El horriblè."

They're irradiated, mutant cockroaches. How are they poorly named?

I hate to say it, but maybe he thought they meant "rad" as in "radical". *sigh* Some people are that slow...

Rad as in Rad-iation, because nuclear FALLOUTs will generate a lot of radiation.

If you're responding to Kelthurin's post, let me say this. You don't think it could be "rad" as in irRADiated? That at least follows the common pattern of adjective combined with a noun, rather than the noun + noun combination you're suggesting (ie. black bear, great white, ugly duckling). Also, I think it would help you out if you turned on your reading skills and sarcasm detector.

If you were responding to my post...reading skills...use them. As it stands, I'm going to have to fail you for being unable to grasp the concept of the preceding passage. Better luck next time!

F

 

[Max_A_Buck]

Took me a bit to get into it but in the end I rather liked it.

Well, up until the end when my character randomly died...

Yeah. I felt I'd been screwed over. Then thought of how it could've easily ended differently... And probably should of.

 

[Nincompoop]

Pros and cons of Fallout 3.

Pros:
- They used the same graphics, but just improved them, so I looks quite nice.
- The gore system rocks, I have never seen a better gore system (think of a future TES game with the ability to cut of limbs... Nice...)
- The gun sounds are amazing. I kept using Hunting Rifle, just because I fucking LOVE the sound.
- Things happened randomly. I tried to make scenarios happen the same way as my friends character, but I just couldn't.
- Almost no authority, you can practically do what ever you want.
- Fucking YES, the voice acting is better than TES4's. I fucking hate it in Oblivion, not because of the bugs, but they have stupid voices. Especially the Jauffre voice, OMG. More natural voices in Fallout 3, but still no way near good enough.
- It runs good on PC, lol, compared to TES4.
(the last two were compared to TES4)

Cons:
- Like the author of this thread said, fail environment, I really dislike it.
- As the author pointed out, not 'enough' factions to join.
- There are more, since I'm not playing it atm o.0, but I can't think of any.

In all, I liked the game. It's better done than Oblivion, but I like the 'age' and world better in Oblivion.

People who bash it because it's "Oblivion with guns", fuck off. I don't get what's wrong with taking something that is good and works, and altering it a bit, or improving it.

kthxbye

 

[IxionIndustries]

1. Okay, your an Oblivion fan.. But come on.. "Less immersive scenery"? There aren't a lot of *living* things in a place that just took 700 nukes to the face. Ridiculous wildlife? What about Mud Crabs and Goblins? That's really fucking normal.

Super mutants look and speak absurdly because they are mutants. Also, the Super Mutants were genetically modified to begin with, thus making them stronger.

2. Do some god damned research! In fact, you could have seen from the box that it's 1950's themed! You must be downright blind then.


3. Are you fucking kidding me?
"Can you spare some change sir-HAIL CITIZEN!!!"

4. At least you can carry out the antagonist's plots. And you don't need to join the evil factions because you can be the embodiment of evil yourself, i.e. blowing up megaton.

5. As previously stated, "The Dark Brotherhood" doesn't sound well either.

6. I Wholeheartedly agree with you on this.

7. I said before.. The environment is dull because it's a WASTELAND. Deserts and ruins! Not pretty little pixies flying around in forests! And if you really, really take a look at Oblivion, are you certain that it doesn't look far-fetched at all?
Also, with Oblivion's story, you were DESTINED to save the world, by being Martin Septim's lapdog. In Fallout you can choose your route.

By the way, you have not tried looking up mods for it either, have you? A lot of them change the shit that you hate...

 

[Xerosch]

Hmm... so Liam Neeson, Malcolm McDowell and Ron Perlman are bad voice actors?

Maybe you should test games before you buy them. There isn't much value in your points if you had known what you're in for...

 

[4fromK]

So, right, let me get this straight: You've never played the originals, correct? Then your view is invalid, and you're not entitled to complain about the game, unlike myself, who has played Fallout 1 and 2 in depth, and therefore has the entitlement to complain about the third game in the series.

Until you've played the originals, you really haven't got much of a clue about where Bethesda went wrong (and indeed, where it got things right). I hereby rescind the validity of your rant against the series until you've played 1 and 2, and realised exactly why they're retrofuturistic, and where the Brotherhood of Steel actually came from.

shouldn't a game be judgable on its own merits?

 

[4fromK]

So, right, let me get this straight: You've never played the originals, correct? Then your view is invalid, and you're not entitled to complain about the game, unlike myself, who has played Fallout 1 and 2 in depth, and therefore has the entitlement to complain about the third game in the series.

Until you've played the originals, you really haven't got much of a clue about where Bethesda went wrong (and indeed, where it got things right). I hereby rescind the validity of your rant against the series until you've played 1 and 2, and realised exactly why they're retrofuturistic, and where the Brotherhood of Steel actually came from.

shouldn't a game be judgable on its own merits?

If Bethesda had entitled it something like "Capital Wasteland: Revelation" or something like that, we would probably be judging it on its own merits, and still finding that it falls short of the Fallout games in several crucial details, although it wouldn't matter as much. Because they specifically reminded us of the games beforehand, it's impossible to judge it on its own merits.

yes, that is true, but I have a friend (I've never played a fallout game, personally) who jizzes all over fallout all the time, and he went back and played the older games, and liked them, just not as much. so it all comes down to perspective in the end. oh, and I think I have to like ou, because of our similar-looking avatars

 

[Valentine82]

Basically Fallout 3 = more for the old fans and for people who love Bioshock .

Wow... Old fans... HAHA.

Bioshock fans might like it, but most fans of Fallout 1 & 2 aren't too happy with Fallout 3. We aren't all pissed, I'm not pissed, I think Fallout 3 was fun in spite of it's glaring flaws for the two play throughs I gave it... Not one for the fans though, trust me.

 

[Necrith]

I had this issue the first time i played it.

second time, after half a year, (my save game was gone)
I decided " fuck it, I am going to kill whatever i want"

and then the game became fun for me, unlike the first time i played it

 

[Hamster at Dawn]

I couldn't help but notice that Fallout 3 was a lot shorter than Oblivion. It also has a lot of DLC. Coincidence? Well I suppose if we're comparing it to Oblivion then it's unfair to say Bethesda is cashing in on DLC but it still seems suspect.

 

[gamegod25]

All of those points are a matter of personal taste. I've spent an embarrasing amount of time playing Oblivion but Fallout 3 is better in every way IMO.

That's too bad you don't like Fallout 3 but I think it's a great game the way it is.

 

[Halfbreed13]

It is a good game. Not a good fallout game. Nuff said

 

[Blitzkrieg8]

i hate oblivion i can't just run up to a guy a whack he with a sword and it takes forever to level up and i can only do it when i was asleep. but i found Fallout 3 to be one the greatest games I've ever played. i like how it was in Washington and not in a make believe land.

oh and you can join the bad guys by helping them

 

[Blitzkrieg8]

7. Yes I blew up megaton, and thought it was boring. Then I killed everyone in that tower because I didn't care. The story just didn't pull me in, it may have worked wonders for you, but for me it was all too far fetched.

hahahah. I have to say, that was one of my favorite aspects of the game - you can kill whoever you want when you wanna (cept children... annoying pricks)... at the end of the game I had 37 nukes, so I went into megaton and let's just say I celebrated beating the game with some fireworks.

I can agree that it's a bit overrated, but it's purely a personal taste. I loved Fallout 3, but I have some gripes about it to (WHY WEREN'T THERE MORE FACTIONS?! YOU HAVE ONE MAIN FACTION AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS A DAMN SIDE-MISSION!!!).

And you're right, I actually didn't really get the sense that the Enclave were bad, but more just against the interests of your dad. I mean, I figured the reason why people said they were bad was because they supposedly wanted to create a dictatorship and were accused of blatant murder. Even if you wanted to use those reasons as justification, there is very little evidence of this, and a person can only indirectly deduce those facts - the game doesn't clearly present them to you. Either way, I loved the game - but it coulda been better.

EDIT: and even if they WERE guilty of wanting to run a dictatorship and murder, if you were an evil dude, wouldn't these things be an attractive offer?

the enclave is the us government and wanted to rebuilt the us but with only pure humans which is only them, the people in the vault , and the BOS. they wouldn't let you join them, and they wanted to kill everyone else. Is genocide not good enough to consider them as the bad guys? cause know that's so 1940s.

so what i'm trying to is if you wanted to join the enclave then you are indeed Hitler.

 

[Valentine82]

It is a good game. Not a good fallout game. Nuff said

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[Halfbreed13]

It is a good game. Not a good fallout game. Nuff said

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