Why primitive, older graphics are better than modern graphics.

[SeventeenSuns]

When i think of older graphics vs newer ones, I usually think of Megaman. The older games had tight controls and large areas, but then in Megaman 7 and 8 it lost the tightness that the previous game had. (and the megabuster non charged became a joke) playing Megaman 9 again rules! back to the basics... the fun, fun basics.
(legends was fun though, but in a completely different way.)

 

[Clinky]

Honestly I feel like comparing old graphics to new ones is comparing apples to oranges... Sure they have their similarities. Sure they have things about them that would endear people to one over the other. Sure they have things about them that make them better for one purpose or another. But neither is inherently better than the other when it comes down to it.

To me what makes or breaks the beauty of a game is not how high or low the quality of the graphics are. It's how well they are implemented. A game can have low res graphics which does have it's strengths, but if the one using them has no idea how to they can just as easily fall flat onto their face and make what is just a jumble of colorful blocks. Same with high-res graphics, they do have their inherent strengths. But poor use of such tools can make it hard to look at.

In the end neither is really superior in the sense of one being better, like any tool they have their times and their places and it's up to the wielder of the tool to decide wether it works or it doesn't.

 

[lord.jeff]

Is this just too far over people's heads? Maybe I should post a "why Obsidian is better than Bioware thread" or "why JRPGs suck"

So the only way people could disagree with you is if they are to stupid to comprehend what you're saying, wow that's some ego you got.

The problem with your statement is it only works in games that want you to be an undefined character, games like Batman, Final Fantasy, or Mario do benefit from higher graphics and even games that don't have as set of a character but push atmosphere benefit from higher res graphics. The older style of graphics work for some games, much like the ugly ass blocks work for Minecraft but it wont work for everything.

 

[renegade7]

I often tell people that one of the best looking games of this generation (at least in my opinion) was Super Paper Mario. It was a really shining example of how a game could look better with good artistic direction rather than realistic graphics.

 

[RagTagBand]

I will never understand when people praise an art form, one that is specifically designed to TELL you what you're looking at, for being so shit at the aforementioned fact that "You get to use your imagination"

I am playing a game, or reading a book, or looking at a painting, the information of what i'm seeing comes from the source material; If I wanted to use my fucking imagination I wouldn't be playing a game, or reading a book, or looking at a painting - ID BE USING MY FUCKING IMAGINATION.

A blank canvas lets you use your imagination to its fullest, that doesn't make it a brilliant painting. It, in fact, isn't a painting at all.

So if the best "Pro" for saying that an indistinct, pixelated blob on my screen is better than a finely crafted, detailed character is "Hurrr yu get to use da imaginations!" then frankly I don't know where you're pulling these straws to cling to from.

 

[Scarim Coral]

I get your argument OP, and I love old game graphics, but your argument fails in it's delivery.
You equate poor graphics to increased imagination of those graphics. This would translate in the art world to, "a blank sheet of paper is better than the Mona Lisa or anything Van Gogh ever painted" because you can imagine anything you want on a blank piece of paper whereas a painting (especially a very good one) has a set definition to it.

Not at all. When you compare these two pictures, it is clear that the one on the top has more space for your imagination to fill in the gaps, the detail of the hair for example.

I mean, the top one could be anything, he's such a vague and undefined character visually. The one on the bottom is visually complete and has little room for filling in the gaps by imagination.

How so? It seen the top image had already predetermined half if not most of the character apperance for me already.

The character is male, with short spiky light brown hair and have black eyes which only leave the face.

At least the bottom image can still let me choose to make a female character with long red hair and green eyes.

Beside ain't the whole imaganation thing is over anyone once you look at the game cover or the manual books which usually show the character face or do you ignore those althogether for the sake of imaganation?

 

[II2]

I disagree fairly vehemently, from my own personal experience, but I'd be willing to concede that older graphics, made with sprites got really good by the time 3D became the mainstay and games made with those look as good as we remember them for standing outside the fidelity race.

Or, more simply, 2D sprite graphics don't 'age' like modern games.

 

[Piorn]

I'd just like the developers to make games that look good instead of realistic or detailed. The best looking games of the last years have not been big budget titles, just saying.

 

[kingthrall]

I agree 100% with the Topic Starter, for all those trash talkers out there, new games just tend to elaborate on bloom and effects. Even the plots they use are terrible.

That said not all modern games are bad, but the vast majority are pathetic. Ive yet to see a game to top Myth II for all you haters of this thread.

Myth II is by far the most advanced rts ever made and if you think its less complicated than a modern game, I would be more than happy to do a little weigh in comparison to whatever you throw at me.

You're comparing the depth of your old RTS to the graphical fidelity of say... an FPS. You may as well compare apples to oranges because your silly little game has no relevance to the arguement the OP is making.

A game can be complex without having to have shit graphics. Also I'm pretty sure I could throw some #'s from my MMO out to beat out your "complexity" of your RTS but I really don't want to get into a fanboy war over a flawed statement.

BAHAHAHHA this is hilarious an MMO, probably the least complex gaming genre. Games that make you farm, sell fictitious weapons online and have committed some of the stupidest people in the world to commit suicide over characters being hacked like WOW. My god man you really do know how to dig yourself in a grave here! It doesnt matter if the game is different with the comparison I was going to make, as it would still show the amount of effort committed on either side based on that genre. Then again it would be based fairly low being a MMO.

They should really sticky this because your kidding yourself about MMO's.


Check out this, the micro, some not so micro-like heh, and the funny random stuff like the shrapnel at the start from the explosion, the cutlass hitting the warrior.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJzGtxjIXhw

 

[Aeonknight]

I agree 100% with the Topic Starter, for all those trash talkers out there, new games just tend to elaborate on bloom and effects. Even the plots they use are terrible.

That said not all modern games are bad, but the vast majority are pathetic. Ive yet to see a game to top Myth II for all you haters of this thread.

Myth II is by far the most advanced rts ever made and if you think its less complicated than a modern game, I would be more than happy to do a little weigh in comparison to whatever you throw at me.

You're comparing the depth of your old RTS to the graphical fidelity of say... an FPS. You may as well compare apples to oranges because your silly little game has no relevance to the arguement the OP is making.

A game can be complex without having to have shit graphics. Also I'm pretty sure I could throw some #'s from my MMO out to beat out your "complexity" of your RTS but I really don't want to get into a fanboy war over a flawed statement.

BAHAHAHHA this is hilarious an MMO, probably the least complex gaming genre. Games that make you farm, sell fictitious weapons online and have committed some of the stupidest people in the world to commit suicide over characters being hacked like WOW. My god man you really do know how to dig yourself in a grave here! It doesnt matter if the game is different with the comparison I was going to make, as it would still show the amount of effort committed on either side based on that genre. Then again it would be based fairly low being a MMO.

They should really sticky this because your kidding yourself about MMO's.

Aww that's adorable, someone thinks that by oversimplifying the gameplay of a genre that it demonstrates a lack of complexity. I can do that too. Know what your RTS consists of?

Click. Click. Click. Maybe using the keypad if you're pro!

/sarcasm. Come back when you have an actual arguement rather than use the OP's flawed logic to take a stab at genre's you don't like.

Spoiler

This is your deep, highly complex game? Now I know you're trolling. Shouldn't have bothered responding to you in the first place.

 

[accipitre]

ctrl+f

"dwarf fortress"

page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

No hits.

Seriously, people?

OP is correct. Dwarf Fortress, the most immersive, complex, detailed, rich game I know of uses entirely ASCII graphics. Ok, technically extended ANSI, but you get the point. I can't really describe it, go to the bay12 forums or better yet, stock up on food, grab the wiki, and download and play it yourself (it's free).

It's quite simple. The less detail is spelled out for you visually, the more you fill in mentally. Like the OP said, abstract graphics lead to higher immersion than complex graphics. It's true, and I really don't see what there is to argue about, although apparently we're fighting over what genre is better now. I'll just say Dwarf Fortress, since it transcends genre (and is really its own genre at this point).

 

[kingthrall]

I agree 100% with the Topic Starter, for all those trash talkers out there, new games just tend to elaborate on bloom and effects. Even the plots they use are terrible.

That said not all modern games are bad, but the vast majority are pathetic. Ive yet to see a game to top Myth II for all you haters of this thread.

Myth II is by far the most advanced rts ever made and if you think its less complicated than a modern game, I would be more than happy to do a little weigh in comparison to whatever you throw at me.

You're comparing the depth of your old RTS to the graphical fidelity of say... an FPS. You may as well compare apples to oranges because your silly little game has no relevance to the arguement the OP is making.

A game can be complex without having to have shit graphics. Also I'm pretty sure I could throw some #'s from my MMO out to beat out your "complexity" of your RTS but I really don't want to get into a fanboy war over a flawed statement.

BAHAHAHHA this is hilarious an MMO, probably the least complex gaming genre. Games that make you farm, sell fictitious weapons online and have committed some of the stupidest people in the world to commit suicide over characters being hacked like WOW. My god man you really do know how to dig yourself in a grave here! It doesnt matter if the game is different with the comparison I was going to make, as it would still show the amount of effort committed on either side based on that genre. Then again it would be based fairly low being a MMO.

They should really sticky this because your kidding yourself about MMO's.

Aww that's adorable, someone thinks that by oversimplifying the gameplay of a genre that it demonstrates a lack of complexity. I can do that too. Know what your RTS consists of?

Click. Click. Click. Maybe using the keypad if you're pro!

/sarcasm. Come back when you have an actual arguement rather than use the OP's flawed logic to take a stab at genre's you don't like.

Spoiler

This is your deep, highly complex game? Now I know you're trolling. Shouldn't have bothered responding to you in the first place.

1. your an ignoramus because you obviously judge games on graphics, the game has so much mechanics including if you actually bothered to view that video the archers shooting properly, not homing missile arrows. They veteran up with experience just like most the units. That said the dwarf you see shoots bottles, some randomly snuff out. I bet you dont get that kind of randomness in your over-rated MMO games where at critical points in the game you need to fire a spell for example and it fails randomly.

2. click click click, its called micro and if you knew how to do it you wouldn't be talking rubbish to me, presets on this game are here, but in melle fights you need to indivualy click for 2 on 1 fighting in a micro battle. Its not like your autocast spells and sloppy warrior feats that you click and watch the sequence pan out while you sip your hot beverage gloating how great you are.

3. Talk about click click clicking, what about Mining gold, fishing for hours on end for that extra loin cloth padding of elemental resistance. Farming its called ever hear of it you hypocrite

 

[Aeonknight]

I agree 100% with the Topic Starter, for all those trash talkers out there, new games just tend to elaborate on bloom and effects. Even the plots they use are terrible.

That said not all modern games are bad, but the vast majority are pathetic. Ive yet to see a game to top Myth II for all you haters of this thread.

Myth II is by far the most advanced rts ever made and if you think its less complicated than a modern game, I would be more than happy to do a little weigh in comparison to whatever you throw at me.

You're comparing the depth of your old RTS to the graphical fidelity of say... an FPS. You may as well compare apples to oranges because your silly little game has no relevance to the arguement the OP is making.

A game can be complex without having to have shit graphics. Also I'm pretty sure I could throw some #'s from my MMO out to beat out your "complexity" of your RTS but I really don't want to get into a fanboy war over a flawed statement.

BAHAHAHHA this is hilarious an MMO, probably the least complex gaming genre. Games that make you farm, sell fictitious weapons online and have committed some of the stupidest people in the world to commit suicide over characters being hacked like WOW. My god man you really do know how to dig yourself in a grave here! It doesnt matter if the game is different with the comparison I was going to make, as it would still show the amount of effort committed on either side based on that genre. Then again it would be based fairly low being a MMO.

They should really sticky this because your kidding yourself about MMO's.

Aww that's adorable, someone thinks that by oversimplifying the gameplay of a genre that it demonstrates a lack of complexity. I can do that too. Know what your RTS consists of?

Click. Click. Click. Maybe using the keypad if you're pro!

/sarcasm. Come back when you have an actual arguement rather than use the OP's flawed logic to take a stab at genre's you don't like.

Spoiler

This is your deep, highly complex game? Now I know you're trolling. Shouldn't have bothered responding to you in the first place.

1. your an ignoramus because you obviously judge games on graphics, the game has so much mechanics including if you actually bothered to view that video the archers shooting properly, not homing missile arrows. They veteran up with experience just like most the units. That said the dwarf you see shoots bottles, some randomly snuff out. I bet you dont get that kind of randomness in your over-rated MMO games where at critical points in the game you need to fire a spell for example and it fails randomly.

2. click click click, its called micro and if you knew how to do it you wouldn't be talking rubbish to me, presets on this game are here, but in melle fights you need to indivualy click for 2 on 1 fighting in a micro battle. Its not like your autocast spells and sloppy warrior feats that you click and watch the sequence pan out while you sip your hot beverage gloating how great you are.

3. Talk about click click clicking, what about Mining gold, fishing for hours on end for that extra loin cloth padding of elemental resistance. Farming its called ever hear of it you hypocrite

Ignoramous? funny, could've swore that said idiot a few minutes ago. And you even added the hypocrite line. Nice ninja edit.

Too bad you're still wrong. Favorite game happens to be Chrono Trigger from the SNES days. And personally I'm glad the fan-made remake with 3D graphics got the cease and desist from Square Enix, because the sprites will always be the definitive version.

As for you trying to turn my click click jab back on me, nice try but I haven't touched a mouse in years to play my game. Maybe if you knew a thing or 2 about MMO's you might be able to argue with me, but why actually know what you're talking about when you can make sweeping generalizations, right?

If you bothered to read any of the posts made up to this point, people have said that just because a game has more than 8 bit graphics doesn't mean it lacks imagination, or complexity, or anything that the games from the "good ol days" had. A bad developer is the one that falls into the trap of putting all of their resources into graphics and forgetting about the rest of the game. That is the only instance when the OP's logic is sound. But it's hardly a concrete rule. And here you are parading his flawed opinion around like it's absolute truth because you play Myth II.

Like I said, come back when you have an actual arguement.

 

[VulpesAqua]

Is this just too far over people's heads? Maybe I should post a "why Obsidian is better than Bioware thread" or "why JRPGs suck"

"people arnt agreeing with me! obviously they just dont get it!!"

More like "people aren't replying, why?". That's what happens when you post a slab of advanced calculus formulas on a forum, so I figured....

Don't count to three and pretend it's calculus.

 

[kingthrall]

I agree 100% with the Topic Starter, for all those trash talkers out there, new games just tend to elaborate on bloom and effects. Even the plots they use are terrible.

That said not all modern games are bad, but the vast majority are pathetic. Ive yet to see a game to top Myth II for all you haters of this thread.

Myth II is by far the most advanced rts ever made and if you think its less complicated than a modern game, I would be more than happy to do a little weigh in comparison to whatever you throw at me.

You're comparing the depth of your old RTS to the graphical fidelity of say... an FPS. You may as well compare apples to oranges because your silly little game has no relevance to the arguement the OP is making.

A game can be complex without having to have shit graphics. Also I'm pretty sure I could throw some #'s from my MMO out to beat out your "complexity" of your RTS but I really don't want to get into a fanboy war over a flawed statement.

BAHAHAHHA this is hilarious an MMO, probably the least complex gaming genre. Games that make you farm, sell fictitious weapons online and have committed some of the stupidest people in the world to commit suicide over characters being hacked like WOW. My god man you really do know how to dig yourself in a grave here! It doesnt matter if the game is different with the comparison I was going to make, as it would still show the amount of effort committed on either side based on that genre. Then again it would be based fairly low being a MMO.

They should really sticky this because your kidding yourself about MMO's.

Aww that's adorable, someone thinks that by oversimplifying the gameplay of a genre that it demonstrates a lack of complexity. I can do that too. Know what your RTS consists of?

Click. Click. Click. Maybe using the keypad if you're pro!

/sarcasm. Come back when you have an actual arguement rather than use the OP's flawed logic to take a stab at genre's you don't like.

Spoiler

This is your deep, highly complex game? Now I know you're trolling. Shouldn't have bothered responding to you in the first place.

1. your an ignoramus because you obviously judge games on graphics, the game has so much mechanics including if you actually bothered to view that video the archers shooting properly, not homing missile arrows. They veteran up with experience just like most the units. That said the dwarf you see shoots bottles, some randomly snuff out. I bet you dont get that kind of randomness in your over-rated MMO games where at critical points in the game you need to fire a spell for example and it fails randomly.

2. click click click, its called micro and if you knew how to do it you wouldn't be talking rubbish to me, presets on this game are here, but in melle fights you need to indivualy click for 2 on 1 fighting in a micro battle. Its not like your autocast spells and sloppy warrior feats that you click and watch the sequence pan out while you sip your hot beverage gloating how great you are.

3. Talk about click click clicking, what about Mining gold, fishing for hours on end for that extra loin cloth padding of elemental resistance. Farming its called ever hear of it you hypocrite

Ignoramous? funny, could've swore that said idiot a few minutes ago. And you even added the hypocrite line. Nice ninja edit.

Too bad you're still wrong. Favorite game happens to be Chrono Trigger from the SNES days. And personally I'm glad the fan-made remake with 3D graphics got the cease and desist from Square Enix, because the sprites will always be the definitive version.

As for you trying to turn my click click jab back on me, nice try but I haven't touched a mouse in years to play my game. Maybe if you knew a thing or 2 about MMO's you might be able to argue with me, but why actually know what you're talking about when you can make sweeping generalizations, right?

If you bothered to read any of the posts made up to this point, people have said that just because a game has more than 8 bit graphics doesn't mean it lacks imagination, or complexity, or anything that the games from the "good ol days" had. A bad developer is the one that falls into the trap of putting all of their resources into graphics and forgetting about the rest of the game. That is the only instance when the OP's logic is sound. But it's hardly a concrete rule. And here you are parading his flawed opinion around like it's absolute truth because you play Myth II.

Like I said, come back when you have an actual arguement.

Ok lets start by some new games shall we, by going through a few genres

FPS

Call of Duty- Typical end of world evil terrorists, communists never bad Americans, maybe the odd single traitor to take over America but no evil president wanting to commit genocide as something different for example.

RPG

Dragon Age- Typical Lord of the Rings style, evil armies come back from the shadows and the dragon representing the dark lord sauron in all its symmetrical glory. All human/oid races are dwindling in power with all seperate problems and need to form the old alliance.

Starcraft 2, stratergy

Kept to the story granted and I enjoyed this a lot, however typical unknown evil peril will appear as the 4th ancient evil race and all the separate races will have to combine to fight the phantom menace "rings a bell with dragon age on so many levels"


As for Chrono Trigger, Its probably the only animae looking game ive ever played right through to the end. Wasnt a top favourite but I can say it definitely must be good for me to play through something with that kind of feel to it. Usually games like that remind me of pokemon on the gameboy color.

If you have not touched a mouse in years, why the hell are you even in this thread because 90% of older games use mouses and you accuse me of generalising when you just now admitted you cant even compare squat since you obviously didnt re-play any older games for a base for comparison. Just dodgy consoles on the sega and commodore 64 perhaps.

P.S I only edited because I dont want to have to put up with Admins telling me off for getting nasty to a ten year old who thinks he is even on my level. I mean you think attempt to argue with me donesn't even have a basis to argue from now that you just said you never use mice in ages.

I look at games like Zork Grand inquistor, The neverhood, Black and white with brilliant original stories and then you come across something like Mass effect with the same old end of the world ploy. I will only admit there are glimmers and few holes of light from games I have played such as the Witcher and Wargame European Escalation. However its like fishing in a pond full of algae trying to get a decent sized fish.

 

[Aeonknight]

snip

If I'm the 10 year old, how come I'm not the one resorting to petty insults? Food for thought.

When I say I haven't touched a mouse in years, I was refering to my particular MMO. Of course I use a mouse to play different games, but this one happens to be in that 10% you mentioned. And that point was only to refute your little "herp derp you click click click to farm for loincloths hypocrite!" remark. Way to take it out of context.

And what makes you think you can judge entire genre's on the merit of one game? No single game is capable of representing the thousands of others that exist in any particular genre. Using Call of Duty, a mainstream title to represent any/all audiences, including niche ones? Are you fucking high?

Your answer to FPS's all being "shoot tha terrorist!": Half Life 2. Immersive, decent story, definately not typical, and still has comparable graphics to the standards of today.

Your answer to all RPG's being LOTR clones? Dark Souls. Immersive as hell, a story that you actually have to look for yourself, good graphics.

So by all means, keep those nostalgia goggles duct taped to your pretty little head. If playing ancient games gives you immersion, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But try actually playing what you're trying to stereotype next time, otherwise expect to get called out on it.

 

[Quaidis]

I've been worried about the creativity in today's youth. People are getting dumber as a whole and I know many kids who no longer want to think for themselves. If I hand a kid today a game from forever ago, they get confused, can't think themselves into the game, and put it down for something more shiney and pretty.

Personally, I miss the 'retro' look of 8 and 16 bit games. If they made a jrpg for the DS with a fresh story and the 16 bit look, I'd snatch it up.

But that's me. Games today normally pander to kids today. And these kids want shiny and pretty, and dumbed down easy.

Edit - I also miss the 90's. Everything went to this peak of extreme awesome in the 90's. It was even better than the 70's and 80's. 2000's went uphill in some categories and completely sacrificed others, making it less cool as a whole.

Edit 2 - I hate texting.

if you give him an old school adventure he will be confused as shit. and so will you.
combine cheese with socks and stick to make a harpoon?
yes, that kind of logic was often found in these old jewels.

and

Personally, I miss the 'retro' look of 8 and 16 bit games. If they made a jrpg for the DS with a fresh story and the 16 bit look, I'd snatch it up.

are you living under a rock have you outed yourself as a hermit?
or have you been actively ignoring the games that came out?

most recent example

It's obvious that harpoons can only be made through combining cheese with socks and a stick. That formula is so strangely obvious. Mind you, it would have to be cheddar for it to work.

(And I wrote a ton of random old-school happenstances, thereafter becoming lost in random memories of Zork. The torch with the bickering flame never shutting up, for example. Deleted the lot because it became a ramble and I lost my train of thought.)

Suffice to say we need more games with more weird stuff that makes little to no sense. If gaming is too straightforwards and -

Sorry, I'm getting bad reception. Hold on while I move this chunk of raw granite that makes for a fine doorway.

...

are you living under a rockhave you outed yourself as a hermit?
or have y<ou been actively ignoring the games that came out?

most recent example

That game is the shit and i would recommend it to everyone who like good games.

Alright, call me intrigued. I'll go check out this game. =D Cheers!

 

[SEXTON HALE]

Never really had the best imagination in all fairness.
That indistinct bunch of pixels on the screen just stay an indistinct bunch of pixels to me.
I envy you with your wildly overactive imagination.

 

[kingthrall]

snip

If I'm the 10 year old, how come I'm not the one resorting to petty insults? Food for thought.

When I say I haven't touched a mouse in years, I was refering to my particular MMO. Of course I use a mouse to play different games, but this one happens to be in that 10% you mentioned. And that point was only to refute your little "herp derp you click click click to farm for loincloths hypocrite!" remark. Way to take it out of context.

And what makes you think you can judge entire genre's on the merit of one game? No single game is capable of representing the thousands of others that exist in any particular genre. Using Call of Duty, a mainstream title to represent any/all audiences, including niche ones? Are you fucking high?

Your answer to FPS's all being "shoot tha terrorist!": Half Life 2. Immersive, decent story, definately not typical, and still has comparable graphics to the standards of today.

Your answer to all RPG's being LOTR clones? Dark Souls. Immersive as hell, a story that you actually have to look for yourself, good graphics.

So by all means, keep those nostalgia goggles duct taped to your pretty little head. If playing ancient games gives you immersion, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But try actually playing what you're trying to stereotype next time, otherwise expect to get called out on it.

Herp derp yourself, nice try using my argument as yours. Only immersion from stories ive heard is the comedic one comming from the posts I read from you. maybe you don't understand the term "few examples" but then agaist I should not have expected more from a console peasant such as yourself.

Sad thing about stereotypes in the gaming world, is that 90% of the time they are true including how desperate you are to the point of generalising that I dont play new games
myself. Better Luck next time and if you want to actually convince me perhaps try 1v1 me in myth 2. Id love to see 100% of my army in tact from the shocking purchase of units for the map type you pick and woeful tactics. Even after 4 years playing this game, pro's can get beaten by begginers from sheer luck and it took me three months to master all the tricks.

You do not, get this kind of experience in any other game. Put your Money where your mouth is.
Join the Tournament, sign on with a team and play. Its free and it costs you less than 10 dollars on ebay, another reason why older games are far superior on a monetary level.

http://mwc2012.proboards.com/index.cgi

 

[lacktheknack]

Is this just too far over people's heads? Maybe I should post a "why Obsidian is better than Bioware thread" or "why JRPGs suck"

No, your point just sucks.

I simply prefer better graphics (because they're better), and I never play "myself" in a game. Why play myself when I could be somebody else? That's why I play games.

Also, any RPG worth its salt has character customization, so that point is moot. If you want to play yourself in a story-driven third-person game, I think you misunderstand what "story-driven" entails.

Also, where do you get off proclaiming that old graphics are inherently better than new ones, give us ONE (flawed) POINT to your argument, then accuse US of being shallow?