WoW Player Claims Kicked from Guild for Being Deaf

[ZeoAssassin]

while it is sad about the guy's accident, any WoW-raider will tell you that voice chat and being able to listen to orders by the guild leadership during raids, or player V player battles (the competitive ones) is VITAL.

what happened to him was the exact same thing that would happen to any (insert sport or game here) player that lost his/her (insert body function critical for said sport here). obviously some football team would have to drop a player that lost their leg in a car crash and as tragic as that may be no one would really blame the football team would they?

now if he got kicked after he was told this...i would have to know the full story because the GM clearly didn't seem to want to kick him outright after hearing that the guy was unable to use vent. so if he still got kick i am think that harsh words were exchanged by both parties.

i am sure however that there is some guild out there that will take deaf people in them. there's always a guild for someone in WoW.

 

[Doctor Glocktor]

Yeah, you have a point: we don't have the full story. It's hard to tell what happened, personally I wouldn't put it past the guy who'd lost his hearing if he shouted first, I mean hard to imagine what everything he's going through is like, so, ya know. But yeah, while he didn't do it out of maliciousness, I'd at least hoped he'd say "no but you can stay in the guild while we figure things out". Either way, the guy lost a lot, but he looks to be making up for it.

See, the problem is that the story is very one-sided. He said himself that he didn't get kicked for being deaf. The guildmaster just told him he can't raid anymore. So there was really no incentive to kick him out of the guild until he provided one by contesting the decision.

Again, the guildmaster could have been a prick and just kicked him unreasoanbly, but until i know the full story, i am not condemning him on that decision alone.

True indeed. I would like to hear what the guild master says, then again might as well let them put it behind them and move on, hope for the best and so on so on. Hopefully not ALL his friends have left him, though, otherwise that would be horrible.

That's the thing. I really doubt the friends would've left him (If they even did, anyways) just for him being deaf. As I said before, if they stopped liking him after he got kicked, he did something.

In every guild I've been in, if someone was kicked, not *leaving of their own accord*, there's always been a massive blowout on chat as to why the person was kicked. I really, really doubt this was any different, and I also doubt that the guild leader would risk looking like a massive asshole for kicking him just because he's deaf. So if his guildmates stopped supporting him after he was 'removed' (very tricky wording, there) then its very likely, if not 100% that he did something to piss off the majority of the guild.

Him huffing and puffing saying 'Well, they never got that far anyway.' REALLY doesn't help him.

I used * for emphasis. He used very tricky wording; I can't tell whether he was kicked or asked to leave, or left because he didn't like it anymore and is just talking shit.

What happened to him is terrible, but his story there is very one-sided.

 

[Arehexes]

Yeah, you have a point: we don't have the full story. It's hard to tell what happened, personally I wouldn't put it past the guy who'd lost his hearing if he shouted first, I mean hard to imagine what everything he's going through is like, so, ya know. But yeah, while he didn't do it out of maliciousness, I'd at least hoped he'd say "no but you can stay in the guild while we figure things out". Either way, the guy lost a lot, but he looks to be making up for it.

See, the problem is that the story is very one-sided. He said himself that he didn't get kicked for being deaf. The guildmaster just told him he can't raid anymore. So there was really no incentive to kick him out of the guild until he provided one by contesting the decision.

Again, the guildmaster could have been a prick and just kicked him unreasoanbly, but until i know the full story, i am not condemning him on that decision alone.

You should stop explain it and defending man, I don't think every one ran with a serious guild or help run one(or even a forum).

Organizations have rules like forums and guilds and other web sites. If you don't follow them you are supposed to be banned end of story. Also he said right here

He tells me that i can't raid unless i have vent. Guild rules and all. I was pissed. After a huge blow out between us i get removed from the guild and put on ignore. Our guild wasn't even that good. We did naxx full clear 10 man once.

What did he do to cause a "huge blow out", and note he didn't said he was kicked because he couldn't use vent. He was told HE COULD NOT RAID, it was after they had this fight he was kicked out. Now it seems your going to have get the Guildmasters side on this one also, and you guys seem to be quick to jump on the deaf kids side. Assuming he is "innocent" just because he is deaf.

Anyone I'm taking my own advice and stop with this, it's a one sided story of someone whining about how his life is bad because he is deaf(I know people who are worse off, he is f'ing lucking to not be crippled) and he his whining on a forum about how he can't enjoy his old guild even though the rules state you need Vent.

 

[Caiti Voltaire]

What really bugs me is how this singles out the guild as people who hate the disabled. Like they are cripple hating jerks. They're not, they are just following the principles that made raiding guilds what they are. And if you cannot get the information you need in split seconds, then you can cause wipes.

To quote William Trottier, "Sometimes the words 'its only a game' seem frighteningly lame."

Its a game. Play it to enjoy it. If you're not doing that, you're doing it wrong. If someone else being deaf is ruining your enjoyment of a game, then ... well, you're doing it wrong.

[edit]: And if you're ditching someone you used to call a friend because they went through a traumatic experience (going deaf), then well, you're definitely not the kind of person I'd make friends with, anyways.

Makes me wonder how the average guild would treat me in WoW if they knew I was legally blind. Good thing I don't play WoW, I suppose.

 

[Nautical Honors Society]

They should have at least given the kid a chance, I have raided plenty of times without vent. Sad stuff.

 

[Danceofmasks]

What really bugs me is how this singles out the guild as people who hate the disabled. Like they are cripple hating jerks. They're not, they are just following the principles that made raiding guilds what they are. And if you cannot get the information you need in split seconds, then you can cause wipes.

To quote William Trottier, "Sometimes the words 'its only a game' seem frighteningly lame."

I think the point is being missed.

It doesn't matter what you do, from running a business to being a member of a 10-pin bowling team to baking cookies for a charity drive.
No individual has the right to screw up EVERYONE ELSE's efforts.

 

[Vaccine]

I'd rather take a deaf person who can act under the pressure of a raid, than someone who can't.

Was it a real justifiable reason to kick him? of course not, if it was causing issues for the rest of the raid, a real guild leader would have taken him aside and discussed the issue with him and maybe worked something out.

Sad to say; that guild leader is terrible and clearly incapable if dealing with issues involving other players.

 

[Caiti Voltaire]

What really bugs me is how this singles out the guild as people who hate the disabled. Like they are cripple hating jerks. They're not, they are just following the principles that made raiding guilds what they are. And if you cannot get the information you need in split seconds, then you can cause wipes.

To quote William Trottier, "Sometimes the words 'its only a game' seem frighteningly lame."

I think the point is being missed.

It doesn't matter what you do, from running a business to being a member of a 10-pin bowling team to baking cookies for a charity drive.
No individual has the right to screw up EVERYONE ELSE's efforts.

Cause its SERIOUS BUSINESS AMIRITE?

I mean honestly, this isn't life or death we're talking about. You die in a game, you respawn, you deal with it. God knows how many times I died because the random team I got in Guild Wars consisted of idiots.

But this is why I avoid games like WoW. The competetive mindsets of these people is completely and utterly dehumanizing and I want as little to do with it as possible.

 

[Arehexes]

They should have at least given the kid a chance, I have raided plenty of times without vent. Sad stuff.

To quote this deaf kid's own post

He tells me that i can't raid unless i have vent. Guild rules and all. I was pissed. After a huge blow out between us i get removed from the guild and put on ignore. Our guild wasn't even that good. We did naxx full clear 10 man once.

He did something with the guild leader to make him mad, he isn't telling what he did with him.

 

[Nautical Honors Society]

They should have at least given the kid a chance, I have raided plenty of times without vent. Sad stuff.

To quote this deaf kid's own post

He tells me that i can't raid unless i have vent. Guild rules and all. I was pissed. After a huge blow out between us i get removed from the guild and put on ignore. Our guild wasn't even that good. We did naxx full clear 10 man once.

He did something with the guild leader to make him mad, he isn't telling what he did with him.

Good point...the deaf kid could have said some harsh stuff i guess.

 

[Arehexes]

I'd rather take a deaf person who can act under the pressure of a raid, than someone who can't.

Was it a real justifiable reason to kick him? of course not, if it was causing issues for the rest of the raid, a real guild leader would have taken him aside and discussed the issue with him and maybe worked something out.

Sad to say; that guild leader is terrible and clearly incapable if dealing with issues involving other players.

He tells me that i can't raid unless i have vent. Guild rules and all. I was pissed. After a huge blow out between us i get removed from the guild and put on ignore. Our guild wasn't even that good. We did naxx full clear 10 man once.

That was in the deaf kid's post, he must have did something with the guild leader to piss him off. From what he posted he told he wasn't allowed to raid, and he was pissed and had a blow out with the guild master which got him kicked. As said before this is a really one sided story.

 

[Danceofmasks]

I mean honestly, this isn't life or death we're talking about. You die in a game, you respawn, you deal with it.

And, the person who messes up orders repeatedly? Just step in and deal with it.
And, the person who bowls 5 gutterballs in a row? Just go home. It's just a game.
And, the person who puts a pound of salt in that batch of cookies? It isn't life or death.

Raids are NOT NECESSARY things to do in WoW.

 

[Caiti Voltaire]

It's no less serious than professional sports.

You're letting what is getting attention get in the way of the big picture. The competitive scene is VERY small in World of Warcraft. But it gets a lot of attention for both its notoriety and achievements. But I can tell you from experience that most people who play the game don't have the competitive mindset that these guilds have and it is incredibly easy to find casual guilds.

And hopefully, this kid will find a much better guild that will prove to make his experience better, but it doesn't make the behaviours displayed any less narcissistic or reprehensible.

And, the person who messes up orders repeatedly? Just step in and deal with it.
And, the person who bowls 5 gutterballs in a row? Just go home. It's just a game.
And, the person who puts a pound of salt in that batch of cookies? It isn't life or death.

Raids are NOT NECESSARY things to do in WoW.

Precisely. I'm glad someone else participating in this discussion grasps that.

 

[Arehexes]

They should have at least given the kid a chance, I have raided plenty of times without vent. Sad stuff.

To quote this deaf kid's own post

He tells me that i can't raid unless i have vent. Guild rules and all. I was pissed. After a huge blow out between us i get removed from the guild and put on ignore. Our guild wasn't even that good. We did naxx full clear 10 man once.

He did something with the guild leader to make him mad, he isn't telling what he did with him.

Good point...the deaf kid could have said some harsh stuff i guess.

See we don't know what happened to get him kicked, it's his word only. We don't have the guild leaders side of the story. And it seems most people are just skimming and then raging about how the leader is a dick for kicking out the deaf kid for no reason, when the problem is the deaf kid said they had a falling out but won't say who started it or what happened.

 

[SenseOfTumour]

I'd also like to make clear that the VAST majority of posts in the thread find the guild leader's actions utterly reprehensible, and in no way is he representative of a typical WOW guild.

My guild is very casual, but we've still managed to do basic raiding without vent, before you pull you say 'stand there, dont stand there, when this happens do this, we all ready? ok, go pull.'

you don't need external software of any kind, some addons can really help I admit. Voice chat is nice, yet it's in now way essential.

I'm sure by now he's found a decent guild willing to take him on.

 

[Composer]

can someone tell me what vent is?

 

[MentalBakura]

That's really pathetic that the guild didn't make an exception for him. Especially because their hugely inflated egos seem to have lead them to believe that their guild's progress is SERIOUS BUSINESS, even though they've cleared pretty much fuck all.

And yeah, so he said some harsh words to piss his guild leader off. Wouldn't you be angry too though, if your supposed friends did this?

Anyway, I'm sure he'll find a guild that's actually worth his time.

 

[Doctor Glocktor]

can someone tell me what vent is?

Voice chat.

 

[Arehexes]

I mean honestly, this isn't life or death we're talking about. You die in a game, you respawn, you deal with it.

And, the person who messes up orders repeatedly? Just step in and deal with it.
And, the person who bowls 5 gutterballs in a row? Just go home. It's just a game.
And, the person who puts a pound of salt in that batch of cookies? It isn't life or death.

Raids are NOT NECESSARY things to do in WoW.

Eh if a person puts a pound of salt in cookies and someone has high blood pressure that would be bad. But lets continue your little "dance".

And, the person give someone a seafood dish and the someone is allergic to it, eh just deal with it he is just having a reaction to it.

And, the person at the life guard stand has poor eye sight and can't tell if the kid if drowning or not and he dies, oh well that's life.

Raids my not be necessary, but that guild saw it as necessary, and told him he couldn't raid with them. HE got mad about that (so he must have saw it necessary) and had a "huge blow out" with the guild leader and was kicked.

 

[Danceofmasks]

It's no less serious than professional sports.

You're letting what is getting attention get in the way of the big picture. The competitive scene is VERY small in World of Warcraft. But it gets a lot of attention for both its notoriety and achievements. But I can tell you from experience that most people who play the game don't have the competitive mindset that these guilds have and it is incredibly easy to find casual guilds.

And hopefully, this kid will find a much better guild that will prove to make his experience better, but it doesn't make the behaviours displayed any less narcissistic or reprehensible.

And, the person who messes up orders repeatedly? Just step in and deal with it.
And, the person who bowls 5 gutterballs in a row? Just go home. It's just a game.
And, the person who puts a pound of salt in that batch of cookies? It isn't life or death.

Raids are NOT NECESSARY things to do in WoW.

Precisely. I'm glad someone else participating in this discussion grasps that.

I think you misunderstand me.

I've fired people for less and I've dumped teammates that can't pull their weight.
Because everyone has a CHOICE.
There are plenty of things everyone can do, and do well. BUT, you do not participate in a team effort if you CAN'T pull your weight.

Now, whether or not a deaf kid can pull his weight in raids is debatable.
Perhaps if they had run a 10-man of volunteers to see if he can take the heat .. even with simple instructions like "if in doubt, follow what the other DPS is doing."

IF he epic fails, THEN disallow him from raiding .. 'cos frankly I suspect not being given a chance was a big part of the blowout.