WoW Player Claims Kicked from Guild for Being Deaf

[mentalkitty789]

This is so bloody stupid. Still when people say you can't use text chat because it is a liability. I say bull, because you aren't making EVERYONE use text chat you just have to make sure he understands what to do before the fight. If you're worried he'll die you have him 'stay with player X' problem fucking solved. Hearing isn't a requirement for raiding, maybe hardcore raiding, but not casual. You don't treat these things like life and death because you know what? They aren't this is a bloody game nothing more.
Also with these analogies, I think they're bull too. Even 'hardcore' raiding is nothing like a professional sport. With Hardcore raiding what are you doing other than getting the gear you want and stroking your ego? With a professional sport you're getting payed to play. Even if we are talking about a school team. A sport you need to hear because if you can't hear... You can't hear the calls of your team mates and opponents, and such. With a raid, there is still text! You can make macros to call out commands to your teammate, and if he knows what he is going he won't need them in the bloody first place! Knowing 'how to do a fight' is not like 'how to run a play'

 

[Ph33nix]

its a private organization they can do as they like so long as it doesn't physically hurt someone or intentionally mentally hurt them

 

[Space Spoons]

The guild was justified in its actions. If you're a member of a guild that's specifically for conducting raids and you're not capable of using Vent, then you have no business being in that guild, period. I understand where the guy must be coming from, but honestly, this is the kind of thing where hearing is absolutely integral. Keeping him in the guild would be like hiring a deaf guy to be a DJ. It just doesn't make sense.

 

[GothmogII]

That's fair enough. I understand that text chat is far from the most efficient way to do things, but they should've made an effort to work around his condition.

And screw over 9 people for the sake of one? Uh, no. If i became deaf i'd leave the guild myself instead of leeching off their pity.

Anyway this is kind of old news. Naxxramas ceased to be relevant a month ago, and it was the least important of raids regardless. This happened long ago.

Here's where my point is:
"WoW is a video game."
Not a job.

"Hey guys, i just bought a game of Twister, i'll bring it home this weekend and start a party and we'll have so much fun. Oh and there's this hobo i'm inviting too, make sure you treat him nice and pretend like he doesn't smell. What, you're complaining? IT'S A GAME, NOT A JOB! I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW INSENSITIVE YOU PEOPLE ARE".

Err...a better analogy would perhaps be none at all. Rather: Just because something is a game doesn't mean it's to be automatically be treated frivolously. While yes, games are for fun and enjoyment, that shouldn't prevent people from desiring to play them seriously in pursuit of their own enjoyment.

That said, while I feel sorry for User Unwelcomed, I think he severely misjudged how much his guild-mates valued his friendship.

 

[Jake the Snake]

It's what I hate about WoW. The game forces you to take it so seriously, that it turns everyone into an elitist asshole. Fuck MMORPGs.

Sounds like someone never played a game on xbox live, or read a forum debating "PC gaming vs. Console gaming". Welcome to the internet, do you have your passport and anything to declare?

Nope never have, never will. I'll stick to my PC and my single player RPGs where I can play the game on my terms without anyone ridiculing/forcing me to play. Makes me happy as a dancing clam.

 

[KeyMaster45]

Just another reason for me not to ever play WoW.

Way to addictive probably and over 90% of everyone is probably just another jerk.

Actually no, every community has it's asshats and good guilds (IE guilds that care about their members) would have found a way to work around this because, as was mentioned earlier on in the thread, actual decent guilds can raid with minimal vent interaction.(well, important interaction anyway; dicking around during trash is another story) For a player that is hearing impaired, not being able to listen in on vent is a handicap but it's not going to be a raid killer as mods like DBM are quite capable of giving out critical boss fight warnings.

I played for almost 5 years and granted in that time I ran across many a raging douche, but the larger WoW community in the game are generally a rather nice bunch of people. What seems to have happened in this instance is a case of poor handling of the situation by both sides. Most guilds have "drama" policies when it comes to guild relations; meaning if you've got an issue with something, in this case no hearing no hearing no raiding, you need to take it up with an officer in private. From the given post I'm left to assume that it devolved into quite the flame-fest in guild chat; insults were exchanged, long repressed feelings about the state of the guild made known, various creative uses of swearing, any number of things really. The end result was his removal from the guild, an avenue that probably shows lack of leadership skills on part of the guild master. That doesn't take away blame from the g-kick-ee though because out right fighting isn't the proper avenue either, however, we can already see he was already under some severe emotional stress and as we all know when in a rage we don't always think rationally.

My heart goes out to the guy, it's a case of two otherwise rational people losing their wits ;due to an already emotionally charged situation which resulted in the end of a four year relationship. I would hope one of them decides to be the bigger man and apologize though that can be hard when one party has decided to utterly ignore the other.

 

[Arehexes]

I guess the whole "My friends ditch me because I can't hear" doesn't matter, no lets give hate and ire to the guild of people he most likely never met.

 

[Arehexes]

It's what I hate about WoW. The game forces you to take it so seriously, that it turns everyone into an elitist asshole. Fuck MMORPGs.

Sounds like someone never played a game on xbox live, or read a forum debating "PC gaming vs. Console gaming". Welcome to the internet, do you have your passport and anything to declare?

Nope never have, never will. I'll stick to my PC and my single player RPGs where I can play the game on my terms without anyone ridiculing/forcing me to play. Makes me happy as a dancing clam.

See you blame MMORPGs for the attitude when it's online gaming in general who acts like that or worse(I love the 14 year olds who call me a n***** because I don't play to win, when they have a worse K/D spread then me).

 

[Jake the Snake]

It's what I hate about WoW. The game forces you to take it so seriously, that it turns everyone into an elitist asshole. Fuck MMORPGs.

Sounds like someone never played a game on xbox live, or read a forum debating "PC gaming vs. Console gaming". Welcome to the internet, do you have your passport and anything to declare?

Nope never have, never will. I'll stick to my PC and my single player RPGs where I can play the game on my terms without anyone ridiculing/forcing me to play. Makes me happy as a dancing clam.

See you blame MMORPGs for the attitude when it's online gaming in general who acts like that or worse(I love the 14 year olds who call me a n***** because I don't play to win, when they have a worse K/D spread then me).

Hm...good point. Online gaming communities in general = massive suckage.

 

[Arehexes]

It's what I hate about WoW. The game forces you to take it so seriously, that it turns everyone into an elitist asshole. Fuck MMORPGs.

Sounds like someone never played a game on xbox live, or read a forum debating "PC gaming vs. Console gaming". Welcome to the internet, do you have your passport and anything to declare?

Nope never have, never will. I'll stick to my PC and my single player RPGs where I can play the game on my terms without anyone ridiculing/forcing me to play. Makes me happy as a dancing clam.

See you blame MMORPGs for the attitude when it's online gaming in general who acts like that or worse(I love the 14 year olds who call me a n***** because I don't play to win, when they have a worse K/D spread then me).

Hm...good point. Online gaming communities in general = massive suckage.

Glad we have something to agree on . Still I feel more sorry the guy lost his "irl" friends do to him being deaf, from how his post sounded. I know the feeling losing friends for reasons you can't help.

 

[subject_87]

This looks like exactly the sort of scenario where 4chan/Anonymous takes those assholes to task; that can't come soon enough.

In all seriousness, this is a tragically insensitive act, and hopefully the banhammer is being warmed up as we speak.

 

[Chaossebba]

I used to be on the same server as an EU guild called "Method" and last time I can remember their recruitment message stated you needed a flexible job to be able to meet their requirements.

I think they migrated somewhere though.

 

[Snicks]

I could understand the guild leader's point of view is it was a world class rading guild trying to get world first boss kills, however his guild clearly wasn't.

If the deaf guy in question hadn't heard something over vent and caused a wipe, would it really be that hard to write a sentence to tell him what he did wrong in the time it takes to get ressurected?

It's a shame that there are dickheads like that in the game, but unfortunately it's inevitable in a playerbase of several million.

I hope that he finds a better guild and can continue playing the game in a better environment.

 

[Johnny Impact]

To OP: If you're on Stormrage (I know, about 0.23% chance), talk to Lyshan about joining Circle of Blame. That's not me, it's my brother, so unfortunately I can't guarantee you a place.

 

[viranimus]

Ok this depresses me. Not for the situation of the deaf kid, which I agree wholeheartedly the kid got shafted without even the courtesy of a reach around.

What depresses me is the constant notion of "its quicker and easier to coordinate via vent" that keeps getting re-expressed.

Seriously, most of these "hardcore" players in WoW (I still say thats like being the biggest badass in kindergarten, but another issue all together) have been at this for well over 5 years and have not been able to develop a typing speed equivalent to speech? Hell I can type just as quick as I can speak and I can read just as quick. Im almost afraid to assume that these "hardcore" people lack the ability to figure out how to filter their chat properly, cause thats the only logical explanation I can come up with.

Seriously.. if you need Voice chat, because you are so illiterate that you cant keep up in reading or writing, then perhaps you shouldn't be pretending your billy badass in a game based upon a text based framework.

Sorry, the notion and acceptance of voice chat strikes a nerve of how lazy people can be.

EDIT: OT: You know I cant tell you how many raids I have ran and been a part of that bottomed out at least 25 man upwards of 150 man raids that never once had need of voice chat. So why is it that its a "requirement" in this day and age?

 

[RaikuFA]

reminds me of my aspergers. my real friends abandoned me because i had it. and last month i had some al sharpton wannabe mumbling to me(i also have a hearing inpairment due to the aspergers) and when i asked him what he said he flys off the handle saying im not allowed to say the word what to him. then he tells the manager that i was being racist to him, douchebag gets a gift card and i get written up.

theres no justice for the disabled

 

[hightide]

The guild sounded like a bunch of dicks so honestly it's probably for the best that he was kicked out now instead of having to put up with them later. This really isn't a sad story, people are dicks and one guy got kicked out of a group of dicks, the end.

 

[Canid117]

Well it wasn't against the rules or anything but... seriously what the fuck?

 

[Tsaba]

Well, this is sad, but, it is just a game, he's bound to find a much better guild that will take him and that's better than the guilds he's been applying for.

 

[hightide]

Sorry, the notion and acceptance of voice chat strikes a nerve of how lazy people can be.

Your post reeks of ignorance. I don't know if you're some sort of Jackie Chan of the keyboard, but i haven't seen one person alive who can type as fast as they speak. Then there's the point of having your eyes focused on the chat window, and considering that you already have at least 5 points of the screen on which you need to be focused (more or less, depending on class: threat meters, boss mods, positioning, ground effects, health bars, mana, rotation, temporary auras, dispelling, interrupts, cooldowns). There's no need for any assurance on me knowing that you haven't raided even once in wow, so i'll say this: raids aren't some point-and-click games where you press 2 buttons and it's over. And typing, no matter how fast you are at it, disables movement. If an aoe hits you while you're typing, you're a lot more likely to die.

Sure, you don't need voice chat for the more casual things in wow like instances or group quests. Raids and pvp tend to be pretty heavy on the micro though.

I second that, Viranimus has no idea about what he was talking about... (btw, what anime is your avatar from?)