Xbox One Could Be Microsoft's Last Console
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Absolutely nothing, since Achievement Hunter has become increasingly more involved in PC and Play Station exclusive gaming, and since Microsoft would probably sell off the Halo IP (probably to Sony), they'd just move over there instead.IshimaruHayato said:
Honestly, RvB isn't their chief source of income anymore. Little people know that they make commercials for games. Also, they have evolved past Red vs Blue being the only content they offer.
I've said something similar months ago. If you have some deeper understanding of technology, then it's pretty easy to see where the whole home entertainment will most likely go within the next 10-20 years.
The consoles will sooner or later die out. Their stiff architecture is actually becoming a major problem for them as mobile devices for example become more and more powerful. At the same time the PC not only as a Windows but also as a Linux machine can easily dominate the consoles in terms of versatility and raw power.
In 10-20 years though I don't see the standard desktop or mobile computer in peoples homes anymore. If we haven't blown ourselves up by that time we'll probably have more centralized units in our homes (or in the cloud if that really goes well - I hope not) which will feed all of the devices we have ("TV", Displays, Gamecontrollers and so on). They will act like servers and wherever you are at home you'll have access to your stuff. If you're not at home you can still access your stuff with your mobile device.
Trust me, there won't be a real war between consoles and the PC or mobile devices. Those thing are going to grow together.
The first step is already done. Consoles in their architecture alone have moved closer to PCs. They basically are PCs just with a very specific hardware and locked up software configuration you can't change. And this is one reason why they will fail on the long run....
The consoles will sooner or later die out. Their stiff architecture is actually becoming a major problem for them as mobile devices for example become more and more powerful. At the same time the PC not only as a Windows but also as a Linux machine can easily dominate the consoles in terms of versatility and raw power.
In 10-20 years though I don't see the standard desktop or mobile computer in peoples homes anymore. If we haven't blown ourselves up by that time we'll probably have more centralized units in our homes (or in the cloud if that really goes well - I hope not) which will feed all of the devices we have ("TV", Displays, Gamecontrollers and so on). They will act like servers and wherever you are at home you'll have access to your stuff. If you're not at home you can still access your stuff with your mobile device.
Trust me, there won't be a real war between consoles and the PC or mobile devices. Those thing are going to grow together.
The first step is already done. Consoles in their architecture alone have moved closer to PCs. They basically are PCs just with a very specific hardware and locked up software configuration you can't change. And this is one reason why they will fail on the long run....
Of course it is.
The whole goal has been an integrated system in the middle of the living room which has been unwanted by the gaming community. Their next "console" won't be considered a gaming system and probably won't use the Xbox moniker.
The whole goal has been an integrated system in the middle of the living room which has been unwanted by the gaming community. Their next "console" won't be considered a gaming system and probably won't use the Xbox moniker.
I think Microsoft are fairly positive about the Xbox 360. It's still turning a profit. It took at least seven years before the PS3 outsold the Xbox 360 and this is in the twighlight years of this console generation, and also the 360 is still selling more software than the PS3 given that a lot of people simply bought it as a cheap Blu-Ray player.
That said they seem to be keen on blowing all that goodwill with the Xbox One and I can't see it shifting nearly enough numbers to justify their hardware division. The PS4 is off to a flying start and that lead will be even harder, if not impossible, to peg back than the 360-PS3 one. When Sega realised they couldn't make that kind of traction with the Dreamcast against the PS2 they ended up pulling the pin.
That said they seem to be keen on blowing all that goodwill with the Xbox One and I can't see it shifting nearly enough numbers to justify their hardware division. The PS4 is off to a flying start and that lead will be even harder, if not impossible, to peg back than the 360-PS3 one. When Sega realised they couldn't make that kind of traction with the Dreamcast against the PS2 they ended up pulling the pin.
Since the original plan of the Xbox One was a long-term future-proof system.
I don't think it matters much as long as the support for the Xbox One remains active like it has with the 360.
I don't think it matters much as long as the support for the Xbox One remains active like it has with the 360.
We already got. PC. gamers however seems to be dead lockedo n boxes under TV. so now they made PCs that sit under TV. because both Xbone and PS4 are basically small costum PCs anyway.ZippyDSMlee said:
Back in the late 90s early 00s PC was on top till the new wave of consoles came and swept that away. the world didnt end.Shadow-Phoenix said:
Why dont you want to game on PC? do you have actual arguments, or just conspiracy theories and legends? Because whenever i see somone tell me how they cant game on PC because X its almost always that the X is not even true or hasnt been for a decade.
PCs were always ahead as far as raw speed is concerned, because consoles were never meant to be a competition in hardware perspective. they were supposed to be a service-superior. but Console service has gone more complicated, while PC has ran out the weeds, and now we see a them standing very close.Glaice said:
It was in the lead at start but PS3 outsold it in recent years.SkarKrow said:
Well, not anymore. The highly customizable OS doesn't work once you get win 8. and MS can lock anything it wants there anyway. Hardware variation exists, however hardware generations have goon way more stable and generalized now. also we got drivers and other proxies to deal with that and game designer doesn't got need to account that a person may have overclocked and burned one of his gpu cores. Besides, the hardware is going so standard now that we often see same hardware re-released as a different name. for example 750 is just a slightly tweaked 660. sometimes they dont even tweak it.ZippyDSMlee said:
You underestimate peoples conservatism. There are many people who still think PCs radiate radiation. like actual cancer inducing radiation. "Because it has many wires". maybe in 100 years we will ahve centralized units everywhere, in 10 - hardly. i mean just look at the outcry of no dialup and SDTV in Xbone recieved. apperently A LOT of gamers still use both. and they are both obsolete technology now. Though i still saw SDTVs for sale.... seriuosly....nodlimax said:
Is this really a surprise though?
The Xbox chain has been losing Microsoft millions to billions since it's inception.
Yeah, it out beat the Gamecube, but Nintendo makes money saving consoles, so despite the GC being third, Nintendo never reported a loss for the system.
Microsoft on the other hand still lost money, even though it was in 2nd place (by 2 million)
Even the Xbox 360 was losing them money up until a couple years back.
And with the botched Xbox One PR, and the lack of launch releases in various countries when the new console goes live- something tells me, someone higher up wants this console to fail just to give out the excuse to pull out of the console race.
The Xbox chain has been losing Microsoft millions to billions since it's inception.
Yeah, it out beat the Gamecube, but Nintendo makes money saving consoles, so despite the GC being third, Nintendo never reported a loss for the system.
Microsoft on the other hand still lost money, even though it was in 2nd place (by 2 million)
Even the Xbox 360 was losing them money up until a couple years back.
And with the botched Xbox One PR, and the lack of launch releases in various countries when the new console goes live- something tells me, someone higher up wants this console to fail just to give out the excuse to pull out of the console race.
Got to make a point on that. Computer literacy is going the exact opposite direction. Logging onto facebook and amazon is not computer literacy. What is worse is that there is an increasing push by apple to use schools as marketing dumps (at least in the US). They know they have hit mass market saturation so the only way to increase consumers is to indoctrinate a new generation of them. Educating a generation on a locked up proprietary niche operating system is perhaps the most effective way of ensuring that the next generation will be even less computer literate than the previous one.mad825 said:
I do game on PC, I've got my very own custom built rig complete with gamepad.Strazdas said:
I never said I didn't game on PC but I also didn't say I was PC only either.
Here in the UK, the majority of them are teaching programming languages hence why I specifically mentioned computer science...If you can't guess from the name, it is a scientific course and no mickey mouse qualification by far.viranimus said:
I agree, most general IT courses can do more harm than good.
No problems, I'm fine with gaming on PC, I just can't stand when people limit themselves to a single platform and then have some sort of gall to place the blame on the creators of other software/hardware when really it's their job to make you want to buy into what they have to sell.Strazdas said:
I seriously doubt that would be a major disadvantage at this point.AzrealMaximillion said:
Japanese games don't carry nearly the same clout they did 10 years ago, as their relevancy has eroded away with Japan's waning interest in western gaming markets and increased focus on their domestic market (thank the recession for slashing the value of western currencies, and with it, Japan's export yields).
Sony may act as the best "bridge" for western markets; lightyears ahead of Nintendo, but it was Nintendo who made the biggest pile of money last generation, not Sony. While I don't see Nintendo repeating their accidental success with the WiiU, the success of the Wii and why it succeeded financially says an awful lot about the reduced relevance of Japanese games to mainstream western gaming.
More bluntly: Shitty, cheap Wii gimmick games made Nintendo more money than Sony's (generally) higher quality ports.
(thankfully, that success wasn't foolproof; when the Wii fell, it fell HARD. Check out Nintendo's losses from currency exchange and overproduction. Over production of, yup, Wii-crap and 3DS units.)
Summarily: I think you overestimate the value of Japanese games to the global market.
Apart from that, I don't see a "Steambox" filling any void left by Microsoft, since it would still have to reconcile the problems that M$'s initial Xbone offer had while competing with Steam.
I don't think Microsoft will leave a void even if they bow out. They'll just sell their game hardware business to someone else. After this generation's silliness I'm sure it could be purchased for a steal (a really expensive but relative steal).
A steam box would be ideal but now that the consoles are moving to x86 they basically are steam boxes. The only benefit of a steam box is having the freedom of a pc with standard hardware for developers to develop for. I think that consoles may have a lot stronger foothold than pc fans would like to think. Especially if the console companies like Sony continue to produce such strong first party exclusive support.
A steam box would be ideal but now that the consoles are moving to x86 they basically are steam boxes. The only benefit of a steam box is having the freedom of a pc with standard hardware for developers to develop for. I think that consoles may have a lot stronger foothold than pc fans would like to think. Especially if the console companies like Sony continue to produce such strong first party exclusive support.
Mmmmm the thing is , the gaming industry won't get any benefit this, I'm hoping to see nintendo throw the towel since the crappy n64 now that would help the industry and our pockets, why ? I won't have to buy any of those the crappy Nintendo consoles with crappy gadgets to play: Mario/Zelda/Metroid/Smash brothers/ ect...
But if Microsoft retires... meh it won't matter much, the sony monopoly already happened , remember ps2? that was almost a monopoly so yeah this really won't affect me if actually happens
But if Microsoft retires... meh it won't matter much, the sony monopoly already happened , remember ps2? that was almost a monopoly so yeah this really won't affect me if actually happens
Thats not what I meant I primarily meant that it would be easier to get all the games on one format. But another great thing about it is you can build a unit that has the same security system and allow older uni formats to play on it(like the VHS and DVD players, Blu ray plays DVDs). You are thinking backwards your not going to have an all in one that plays today's games(at least not at frist) but a future system that plays all the games that are released for a single universal format console. Universal in this instant means doing away with propitiatory formats like PS3/WII/360 and going with one format they agree upon. The games themselves could be built to allow for higher resolutions and better performance on newer hardware but for the most part I don't really see them going that far but if they stick with X86 like architecture the games should play on newer hardware with only a little bit of extra hardware. This would at least help with digital sales.Saviordd1 said:
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Not really a console is is still cheaper to sell in mass quantities and get the same software running at the same speed across all units.Strazdas said:
PC is not all whats its cracked up to be.
Win 8 can be hacked much easier than any console.
A PC is still difficult to sell games on, you need large amounts of the same level of hardware in order to provide the same level of performance across them all. This is why I wish we'd get over the costly console war format and focus on a universal format. At least with that all I have to do is buy one console if its more cost effective than upping my Mobo/CPU/Video card.
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You've not had to deal with 6 different PCs and their sometimes unique software and gaming issues.mad825 said:
???? The 360 is not last in console sales. That title belongs to the PS3. Also, as this forum gets flooded with the Playstation fanboys that will obviously be all about some xbox end of times story, I have news for you. If the xbox is gone, then either the Playstation will ALREADY be gone, or it will also be on the way out the door, and I dont think you want that either.AzrealMaximillion said:
*EDIT* Actually, it appears that the PS3 has outsold the 360 worldwide now, so I am mistaken about that. I'm man enough to admit when I err.
However, it does appear the the 360 still kills it with software sales, ie games. Multiplatform games tend to sell better on the xbox, in other words. But my point is still... neither side should want to see the other go "out of business". Trust me, you will not "win". A monopoly is going to hit you hard in the wallet, and even harder in the quality department.