While I have no idea what you're talking about when you say 'other's view', I'm glad you're not going to argue at me anymore.370999 said:I think it's time we end this as we are going very much off topic and it seems neither of us is going to concede or even accept the other's view.martin said:You seriously haven't read anything I've written have you?370999 said:Are you getting annoyed over this? Really?martin said:Are you arguing just to argue? Or is your reading comprehension bad?370999 said:And I don't see how you draw that conclusion. Games are not a super challenging medium to understand, I never had the perceptions of gamers being above average intelligence. So I am asking what evidence you base your hypothesis on.martin said:Ugh, I was simply saying that it isn't right to assume that this population has the exact same attributes as the overall population.370999 said:I am still not sure of your hypothesis.martin said:That's why I said 'There will be exaggeration still'.370999 said:Eh, isn't there also the thing that most people like to think of themselves as smart? Very few people are truely honest with themselves.martin said:Yes, but the Escapist isn't necessarily a good sample of the overall average.genericusername64 said:Strength 4
perception 2
endurance 5
Charisma 7
intelligence 5
agility 6
luck 9
Why does everyone rank themselves above average in intelligence. If everyone is above average then that isn't the average
So, it may be perfectly reasonable for the 'average' intelligence on the escapist or any other community with some like minded individuals to be above average in some traits.
For example, a forum that was aimed at body builders would probably have the average strength up at 8-10.
A forum for runners would likely have the Agility up near the top.
While the overall average would be five, different communities would be focused in certain traits.
But of course, there will be exaggeration still, but the point is the average here might be more than the average elsewhere in that stat.
Bear in mind when we do a thread about lucks the average poster thinks he is better looking then average.
So the point that user of this forum are on average better looking and smarter then the usual population.
You'll notice that I use the words 'may' and 'likely', I'm not saying anything for certain, only that it is very possible that this community might have an average higher than the over all.
I said that it is possible that a website's community could have certain attributes that are not in line with the overall average.
That doesn't mean I'm saying the Escapist or even Gamers ARE on average more intelligent.
I'm saying it is possible. As it is possible for the escapist to be far less intelligent, as it is possible for the escapist to be on average stronger, faster, slower, weaker, less or more perceptive.
The conclusion I've made is that any community that is a sub-group of the overall average could have attributes (on average) that are different from the overall average. In order for me to prove this to you, I'd only have to site one example with even the tiniest amount of correlation to demonstrate possibility.
Now, I'm not going to provide you with a study that links a certain attribute to a certain group, because then I'm sure you or someone else will try to argue for or against that specifically, which isn't what I'm saying, so if you want go to google and type in
'Study shows (Insert group here) are (insert descriptive word) than average.'
I have no idea why you're even arguing.
The whole point was by posting that gamers might be smarter meant that you implied it. As every single thing is possible, if you truely felt that need to be reiterated then you must know some truely stupid people.
So why did you imply it? As you most certainly did or elsse you wouldn't of mentioned it and why are you getting so hostile when it is being challenged?
I have no idea why you would even post this when you weren't prepared to defned your statement and it seems to be without any real credibility.
You aren't 'challenging' any statement I've made, you're arguing with nothing against nothing.
The only thing I've 'implied' is that the person shouldn't generalise, or expect that any smaller sub-group will be reflective of the entire group.
The only reason I used that particular example is because that is the one the original poster was talking about.
You're looking for an argument that isn't there.
And I am glad that I don't have you argue at me.martin said:While I have no idea what you're talking about when you say 'other's view', I'm glad you're not going to argue at me anymore.370999 said:I think it's time we end this as we are going very much off topic and it seems neither of us is going to concede or even accept the other's view.martin said:You seriously haven't read anything I've written have you?370999 said:Are you getting annoyed over this? Really?martin said:Are you arguing just to argue? Or is your reading comprehension bad?370999 said:And I don't see how you draw that conclusion. Games are not a super challenging medium to understand, I never had the perceptions of gamers being above average intelligence. So I am asking what evidence you base your hypothesis on.martin said:Ugh, I was simply saying that it isn't right to assume that this population has the exact same attributes as the overall population.370999 said:I am still not sure of your hypothesis.martin said:That's why I said 'There will be exaggeration still'.370999 said:Eh, isn't there also the thing that most people like to think of themselves as smart? Very few people are truely honest with themselves.martin said:Yes, but the Escapist isn't necessarily a good sample of the overall average.genericusername64 said:Strength 4
perception 2
endurance 5
Charisma 7
intelligence 5
agility 6
luck 9
Why does everyone rank themselves above average in intelligence. If everyone is above average then that isn't the average
So, it may be perfectly reasonable for the 'average' intelligence on the escapist or any other community with some like minded individuals to be above average in some traits.
For example, a forum that was aimed at body builders would probably have the average strength up at 8-10.
A forum for runners would likely have the Agility up near the top.
While the overall average would be five, different communities would be focused in certain traits.
But of course, there will be exaggeration still, but the point is the average here might be more than the average elsewhere in that stat.
Bear in mind when we do a thread about lucks the average poster thinks he is better looking then average.
So the point that user of this forum are on average better looking and smarter then the usual population.
You'll notice that I use the words 'may' and 'likely', I'm not saying anything for certain, only that it is very possible that this community might have an average higher than the over all.
I said that it is possible that a website's community could have certain attributes that are not in line with the overall average.
That doesn't mean I'm saying the Escapist or even Gamers ARE on average more intelligent.
I'm saying it is possible. As it is possible for the escapist to be far less intelligent, as it is possible for the escapist to be on average stronger, faster, slower, weaker, less or more perceptive.
The conclusion I've made is that any community that is a sub-group of the overall average could have attributes (on average) that are different from the overall average. In order for me to prove this to you, I'd only have to site one example with even the tiniest amount of correlation to demonstrate possibility.
Now, I'm not going to provide you with a study that links a certain attribute to a certain group, because then I'm sure you or someone else will try to argue for or against that specifically, which isn't what I'm saying, so if you want go to google and type in
'Study shows (Insert group here) are (insert descriptive word) than average.'
I have no idea why you're even arguing.
The whole point was by posting that gamers might be smarter meant that you implied it. As every single thing is possible, if you truely felt that need to be reiterated then you must know some truely stupid people.
So why did you imply it? As you most certainly did or elsse you wouldn't of mentioned it and why are you getting so hostile when it is being challenged?
I have no idea why you would even post this when you weren't prepared to defned your statement and it seems to be without any real credibility.
You aren't 'challenging' any statement I've made, you're arguing with nothing against nothing.
The only thing I've 'implied' is that the person shouldn't generalise, or expect that any smaller sub-group will be reflective of the entire group.
The only reason I used that particular example is because that is the one the original poster was talking about.
You're looking for an argument that isn't there.
That's the Escapist community for you. (edited in just in case someone doesn't detect the hint of sarcasm and humour)genericusername64 said:Why does everyone rank themselves above average in intelligence. If everyone is above average then that isn't the average
A million times both of these.No_Remainders said:A million times this.The Lugz said:why does nobody use the search function?
this has been done to death, i promise you.
Please start searching. I'd hazard a guess at this having been done at the very least ten times already, and that's a conservative guess.