So the game is as bland as porridge, it has naked people in It and still sucks. I'll just stick with Saints Row 4 then.
Zero Punctuation: Beyond: Two Souls
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I see nothing wrong with a game doing all the things Yahtzee is criticising here. What worries me about B:TS is the marketing campaign, not only how it has omitted details about what the game really is like, but, more importantly, because it is yet another case of game publishers trying to push this idea that games should aspire to be like movies.
I like Ellen Page, and as such, I'll watch her movies, thank you very much.
Again, it's OK that movie-ish games exist. But enough with trying to sell them as the future of gaming.
I like Ellen Page, and as such, I'll watch her movies, thank you very much.
Again, it's OK that movie-ish games exist. But enough with trying to sell them as the future of gaming.
Someone sounds bitter,Vale said:
Also yes, he would, because the decisions in that game are dotted around the story that have a lot of impact (and are also timed), so they are more involving and deep(especially the more morally nebulous ones).
Y'know, am I the only one who notices that practically EVERY designer who goes on about wanting to write great stories or bashes video game writing in general are probably the least qualified to say that? Cage rails against games for their stories, but his games have TERRIBLE narratives and tepid dialogue. Another example of this is Antoniades over at Ninja Theory who constantly brags about his narrative talents despite A) having HIRED other writers to write his games for him and B) when he finally DID write a script himself it was a goddamned, pretentious mess. And of course then there's Rhiana Pratchett, who is a writer instead of a designer but is very...average. She's not terrible, but she clearly didn't inherit her father's talent as a writer. The irony is PAINFUL.
What annoyed me particularly about the game, was that besides Nathan(Willem Dafoe) none of the characters changed all that much(well, maybe that soldier guy): Jodie had no character arc, and she is exactly the same as she was when she was a child, by the end of the game.
The writing is also flimsy (I feel like my ears are being grated when I hear the sentence "Ever since I was born, I've been linked to an entity" also the seance sections where she acts as a conduit for dead people).
That said though, this is quite a consistent game (aside from the asian-french bad guys and the "GUVERNMENT IZ EVIL!1!" nonsense), second to only Heavy Rain, and the sections that stood out the most for me (and I feel for other people) were the more realistic ones.
I wish that Cage had an editor, so that he would make more grounded, consistent stories, as that is what he is good at(see: Heavy Rain, beginning of Farenheit), not spiraling off into nonsense.
The writing is also flimsy (I feel like my ears are being grated when I hear the sentence "Ever since I was born, I've been linked to an entity" also the seance sections where she acts as a conduit for dead people).
That said though, this is quite a consistent game (aside from the asian-french bad guys and the "GUVERNMENT IZ EVIL!1!" nonsense), second to only Heavy Rain, and the sections that stood out the most for me (and I feel for other people) were the more realistic ones.
I wish that Cage had an editor, so that he would make more grounded, consistent stories, as that is what he is good at(see: Heavy Rain, beginning of Farenheit), not spiraling off into nonsense.
I would love to see Cah-jay defend himself using Metacritic now (like how he did w/ Heavy Rain)canadamus_prime said:
That'd be maladroit.
I would never just "make stuff up" about her or anyone for that matter. It would be as ridiculous as the claims that she personally harrassed 4chan and Reddit to provoke the hatred she initially received.bobleponge said:
Apparently you're going to tell me I haven't even watched her videos, when I've followed them very closely. Look into her comments on Mirror's Edge, and how she'd have loved to have enjoyed it if it hadn't been so difficult and how she wishes games were more like a TV show or movie.abort_user said:
She has, in particular she spoke about how they're too difficult for her to enjoy. She even implied that was the case for other women at one point, if I remember correctly.undeadsuitor said:
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My statement was something I noticed about a bunch of things she's said over all of her videos from before and after the kickstarter thing. I'm not even attempting t insult her, you guys assume I am. It's just something I noticed, that it's a game that I assume she would enjoy because it has many of the qualities she has asked for in a game over the time she's been making videos.
Let's calm down shall we. I'm not here to hijack the thread and derail it, it was an off hand comment. Let's save it for another time and place.
I was still hopeful there was going to be a scene in Beyond Two Souls like Heavy Rain had.
You all know the one.
It involved disinfectant, a chunk of wood, a heated steel rod, one shot of whiskey and a lovely variety of bladed objects.
You all know the one.
It involved disinfectant, a chunk of wood, a heated steel rod, one shot of whiskey and a lovely variety of bladed objects.
Or you could, you know, just stop telling people how they can and can't feel about the game.rhodo said:
Because hey, people having a different opinion about a game than you is totally ruining your experience isn't it? So you should complain about it. It's not like you can just enjoy it yourself and stop crusading against everyone who dared not enjoyed B:TS.
While not a total shamble, I do agree with Yahtzee's criticism... it's more a game than a film, since it's not only it's pretty uninteractive, but it hardly makes you feel like you're changing a bloody thing (despite the fact that some sections can end differently). I heard the argument that you're supposed to create your own version as Jodie, but doesn't that contradict the marketing (and what the developers and Sony have been saying, before the game was released?).
The plot is like a kid being in a candy store, with some extremely rich parents who'll give him anything he want, so the kid goes "I want that, I want this!" etc. It's really jarring for the game to go from drama to science fiction, to military espionage, to goverment conspiracy and doomsday.
I also heard an argument, that the unlinear story telling is thanks to Jodie (if you finished the game, you might know what I'm talking about), but that doesn't fly with me. It does make the story intersting, but it's also cheating, because without it, the story wouldn't really work and it would have had a horrible pacing
The plot is like a kid being in a candy store, with some extremely rich parents who'll give him anything he want, so the kid goes "I want that, I want this!" etc. It's really jarring for the game to go from drama to science fiction, to military espionage, to goverment conspiracy and doomsday.
I also heard an argument, that the unlinear story telling is thanks to Jodie (if you finished the game, you might know what I'm talking about), but that doesn't fly with me. It does make the story intersting, but it's also cheating, because without it, the story wouldn't really work and it would have had a horrible pacing
Fahrenheit was OK, up to a point. It's going to be one of the best games you've ever played it you stop playing halfway into it.JenSeven said:
I think David Cage is a good writer. Perhaps not a brilliant writer, but a good writer nonetheless. I don't see what makes his writing worse than so many other video games. I cared a lot about the characters in Heavy Rain, especially because your choices had a profound impact on which direction the story took. It all adds up. If anything, the biggest problem with Beyond: Two Souls seems to be that it's just more of the same.
Interesting. Did you feel the same about Memento and Pulp Fiction? If you have seen them, of course.Nico4 said:
Of course the story wouldn't work had it been told consecutively. It was built this way. Just like not many stories told straight from A to Z would not work if the chapters got re-shuffled.
Not targeting you specifically, but I really wish people would stop stating opinions as facts. The game is not broken, the story never contradicts itself. I have played it 4 times from start to finish and replayed some chapters even more (even though Cage said it's exactly what one shouldn't do) and I never found any disrepancies in the plot and character developement.
Also, I don't know about the rest of you, but what I liked most about the game is how relatable Jodie was. Remember that we always see her at the most important points of her life. It's perfectly understandable that she'd be emotional. And noone is cool as a fucking cucumber every second of every day, despite what Hollywood, Naughty Dog and their likes would like you to believe. Every now and then people say silly and cringeworthy stuff. You call it awkward, I call it as close to reality as I've ever seen in a game.
As for her kissing all the pretty boys - there were only two. As rhodo said before me, shock and fucking gasp at a female seeking some comfort in her so far kinda shitty life.
If you're interested in the idea of games about ghosts moving furniture, why not try Ghost Trick: Phantom Detective for the DS?
Dear Benjamin Sebastian Godzilla Yahtzee Crowshaw,
I don't know if you read this but I REALLY want to see a Zero Punctuation of "Day One, Gary's Incident".
Not because its good but because its bad. Its TERRIBLE. I'd like to see if it can get into the top 5 worst games this year besides Ride to Hell, Dark and Aliens: CM.
You've been playing Beyond? Beyond Good & Evil... 2???!
I think facial emotes are valid for criticism. After all, you did criticize Mass Effect, TES and Fallout for their character emotes. Maybe 10 years ago, we barely had characters opening their mouths but 9 years ago, we had Half-Life 2 that had perfectly done facial and body language. Is the industry still not catching up to Valve?
I don't know if you read this but I REALLY want to see a Zero Punctuation of "Day One, Gary's Incident".
Not because its good but because its bad. Its TERRIBLE. I'd like to see if it can get into the top 5 worst games this year besides Ride to Hell, Dark and Aliens: CM.
You've been playing Beyond? Beyond Good & Evil... 2???!
I think facial emotes are valid for criticism. After all, you did criticize Mass Effect, TES and Fallout for their character emotes. Maybe 10 years ago, we barely had characters opening their mouths but 9 years ago, we had Half-Life 2 that had perfectly done facial and body language. Is the industry still not catching up to Valve?