Zero Punctuation: BioShock: Infinite
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Honestly seems about right. I'm a huge fan of the game, and I think this did a good job of addressing what bugged me about it, mainly Comstock...
I'm also glad Yahtzee didn't hop onto the "oh it's artistic therefore it should be less violent" bandwagon that's been doing the rounds.
I'm also glad Yahtzee didn't hop onto the "oh it's artistic therefore it should be less violent" bandwagon that's been doing the rounds.
Ah, I though it had to do with Infinite Jest by late David Foster Wallace.Parakeettheprawn said:
It won't suprise me if Yatzee put this game in his favoruite of 2013. Now I am wondering if there are any other future game that can top Bioshock Infinite (in Yatzee eyes).
People say 'this is one of the best games ever made'
Ken Levine is still thinking about System Shock 3. Just saying. And yes, I'm well aware of the fact that EA holds the rights to the System Shock name. So after the success of Bioshock and BS:Infinite they have to be pants over head retarded not to strike a deal with 2K games. Or if they don't, I am sure they will find a way to by-pass the legal and create something that reflects or might be an ode to the System Shock franchise.
Ken Levine is still thinking about System Shock 3. Just saying. And yes, I'm well aware of the fact that EA holds the rights to the System Shock name. So after the success of Bioshock and BS:Infinite they have to be pants over head retarded not to strike a deal with 2K games. Or if they don't, I am sure they will find a way to by-pass the legal and create something that reflects or might be an ode to the System Shock franchise.
Strange that he didn't mention anything about the two weapon limit, it's usually one of his bugbears and a it's fault that really starts to glare as you draw closer to the end.
Oh well, at least he mentioned the unexplained weirdness of the Vigors existing.
Still, he's right about the story being great and the ending a real mind=blown moment. It is a very good game by any standards, although not as great most reviewers say.
Oh well, at least he mentioned the unexplained weirdness of the Vigors existing.
Still, he's right about the story being great and the ending a real mind=blown moment. It is a very good game by any standards, although not as great most reviewers say.
I think he addressed my issues with Comstock fairly well. Ryan was fun and interesting to listen to, while every recording of Comstock's just emphasized how fanatical about himself he was. And Fink had nothing on Cohen.
I still have mixed feelings about the ending though. Maybe it's because I usually associate the first Bioshock's twist with its climax, but I prefer how neatly it all wrapped up (painful escort quest leading up to a hit-and-miss boss fight with the morally stark evil epilogue aside).
I still have mixed feelings about the ending though. Maybe it's because I usually associate the first Bioshock's twist with its climax, but I prefer how neatly it all wrapped up (painful escort quest leading up to a hit-and-miss boss fight with the morally stark evil epilogue aside).
The significance was they were singing "God only knows" by the Beach boys in 1966. It is a hint that they are abusing the tears to advance themselves by taking things from the future and other worlds.uchytjes said:
OT: Nice review. Surprised he didn't mention certain things but the "Get out" part was more than worth it.
Surprised Yahtzee didn't make more mention of Elizabeth in his review; perhaps he's saving her (and her role as a likable companion AI) for a column. Definitely agree with the Vigour's criticism and some of the other gameplay nit-picks as well as his observation that Comstock is less interesting than Andrew Ryan (but then Comstock is not only one side to the same coin, his ideology is simply less interesting). However Yahtzee provides very little justification for his whole 'stuck up your own butt' or 'hairy space hopper levels of pretension' (great phrases nonetheless) criticisms. I'd like to hear why he thought it was pretentious as opposed to him simply stating the fact; you might call the concepts and issues the game is juggling heady and 'serious', but it utilises and presents them in an extremely understandable and accessible way (at least after some reflection and thought; it wouldn't be very engaging if these elements could be grasped instantaneously).
I suppose Yahtzee did identify one possible point of pretentiousness, 'abstract meta-narrative', but it's not like the games story doesn't work without it, it's simply another layer of complexity and depth and oh no, I sound pretentious don't I? Well damnit I guess that sort of meta-commentary, when done in the more subtle way as it is in Infinite, is simply fascinating to me and I guess I'll just live with the 'pretentious' label used by those who don't really give a crap about it, and that's fine.
I suppose Yahtzee did identify one possible point of pretentiousness, 'abstract meta-narrative', but it's not like the games story doesn't work without it, it's simply another layer of complexity and depth and oh no, I sound pretentious don't I? Well damnit I guess that sort of meta-commentary, when done in the more subtle way as it is in Infinite, is simply fascinating to me and I guess I'll just live with the 'pretentious' label used by those who don't really give a crap about it, and that's fine.
Yeah, I'd imagine it probably would be incredibly frustrating on 1999 mode.shrekfan246 said:
I barely got by with about 20% of the ship's power by the time it was over on Hard mode.
There's a difference between "favorite" and "best". Infinite might not be your favorite game of this gen or gamerankings, but it is to that guy.Anoni Mus said:
Plus it's kind of hard to compare Bioshock Infinite to Super Mario Galaxy. They're two completely different games. :/
I'm guessing Yahtzee missed a voxophone or two, cause his comment on Vigors is explained.
They really did fall out of another universe, Rapture's. One of the voxophones explains that Fink was stealing technology from Rapture's universe, which lead to the creation of Vigors, the tech for Handymen, and Songbird being based on Big Daddies.
My experience with Infinite was basically this. [http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/093/6/b/bioshock_infinite_retrospect__spoilers__by_marikbentusi-d60bgxk.jpg]
No idea how Yahtzee thought Bioshock Infinite's ending was tied up tho
No idea how Yahtzee thought Bioshock Infinite's ending was tied up tho
considering we're ending on an after-credits cliffhanger. Which I really hope is a respawned Booker.
Well I suppose the reason vigors don't mess up Columbia as much even though they're
is because they didn't use Adam and people aren't really splicing up so much as they're only sticking to the very few and minimalistic vigors which can only be upgraded twice mind you.
Plasmids stolen from a tear to Rapture
Because historically, Yahtzee has a soft spot for games that aim to be something different and fail in the attempt (Dark Void, Mirror's Edge), but contempt for sequels that are safe, naked cash grabs that do little to distinguish themselves from the original, or worse, fail to understand the appeal of the original.Steve the Pocket said:
So BioShock Infinite, a mostly good game that really tries to do things differently, gets high marks from him, despite its many problems.
TopazFusion said:
They are singing a Beach Boys song, God Only Knows. Fink's brother could see tears, and they would take information from them to get rich. The quartet is an example of the brother taking popular music he sees in tears and taking it as his own. You can find other songs like that throughout the game, as well as tears where you can hear music coming out from them, such as Girls Just Wanna Have Fun.
