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Zero Punctuation: Catherine
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I have been playing the game for some time now, and I'm somewhat in the same understanding that Yahtzee is in: It's hard but continuously fun and the bar stuff kind of drags itself out, but as for Vincent being unlikable?
He's a tool, but recognize the game starts like a B-movie (haven't finished it yet), so it should feel like a B-Movie. In this case, it's outlandish monsters, a kind of quirky premise and it's going to portray men and women in a negative stereotypical kind of way, but you shouldn't care because you are playing a game that's more Evil Dead than it is Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.
Also: Did anyone else have their mind blown when the Butt Monster showed up? Also, did anyone else have their mind blown when you put the Butt Monster together with the plot?
Seriously, that symbolism blew my mind [/Completely Serious].
It's a good game, I won't speak on repeat viewings yet because I have yet to finish the game, but I'm having a good time with it.
He's a tool, but recognize the game starts like a B-movie (haven't finished it yet), so it should feel like a B-Movie. In this case, it's outlandish monsters, a kind of quirky premise and it's going to portray men and women in a negative stereotypical kind of way, but you shouldn't care because you are playing a game that's more Evil Dead than it is Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.
Also: Did anyone else have their mind blown when the Butt Monster showed up? Also, did anyone else have their mind blown when you put the Butt Monster together with the plot?
Seriously, that symbolism blew my mind [/Completely Serious].
It's a good game, I won't speak on repeat viewings yet because I have yet to finish the game, but I'm having a good time with it.
Well, obviously I mistook what you actually wanted. You don't want the story to go off in separate directions based on your choices. You want the freedom to act and have characters in the game react. All the games you mentioned still end up going in the same direction towards the end, narratively. They all have the same general endpoint and climax, just different motivations and ultimate outcomes.Undeadpool said:
The difference between most of those games and Catherine is that those games make *you* the protagonist, while Catherine doesn't lie about the fact that "Vincent" is the protagonist, and you're merely guiding him, not actually controlling him. Yahtzee has touched on this before in The World Ends With You (with a touch more exaggeration), and it is honestly a very Eastern thing. You're not part of the story, you're merely the witness to it and can subtly alter it on ultimately unimportant lines.
And no, that's not always a good thing, but honestly, if we needed every story we're told to have us as the stars, then movies, TV, books, etc. would have a much tougher job keeping us entertained. I can accept only being an accessory to the end if I feel fulfilled in the journey and outcome.
EDIT: But the reverse can be handled sloppily as well. Think of any game that puts you as the protagonist, then make a choice and find out that the game's leading you down a path you didn't want to go originally. There, the illusion of freedom is shattered, as is the immersion. Then you just have to ask yourself for you, which is more important: being mostly in control but tossed out on your ear when the game won't let you do specifically what you want, or allow yourself to be railroaded if it means things are more cohesive.
That final joke was hilarious. I don't intend to play this, or any Atlus game, in the forseeable future. I don't enjoy Anime, and that's probably the biggest factor.
I hope so, for his sake (on both her not being insane and not a bad future).CyricZ said:Well, how many games actually have the story wildly vary due to early/mid-game decisions besides The Stanley Parable? If a writer is going to set up a narrative they want to tell, allowing the player to derail that part of the way through due to, let's face it, their own wanting to dick around kinda shatters that. It's the classic "linearity" vs. "non-linearity" thing. Non-linear gives more freedom and protagonist relation. Linear gives more narrative and cohesiveness.Undeadpool said:
Minor spoiler: Catherine's actually not insane. The trailers will focus on the weird things she does in the game, but you can actually sit down and chat with her at some points in the game and she seems, while a bit free and loopy, relatively on the level.Cavouku said:
As to the future with Catherine, well, explaining it in detail would give a lot away, but let's say it's probably something you weren't expecting.Regardless, Vincent does seem quite satisfied with his decision.
Note: I just took the liberty of watching all the endings on Youtube (I wasn't planning on getting it, just not my kind of game, good or bad not factoring into it), there were 8 of those bastards, but at least they had the decency to stay pretty similar for the first parts.
But I guess he's happy... I think? Sure. Not my ideal relationship, so I probably wasn't going to go for it, but uh, when in Rome, I guess (referring to the Catherine True Ending).
He's lying, purple gives you the most alpha badass ending.Xman490 said:
Also, I didn't think he was going to review this out of all things, wow.
It's true, and there are people who are tools, so it's interesting to play as one, but I can see his point, it's hard to care about someone who looks terribly pathetic, and is being dragged around all the time. Especially in a game, where you as the player feel like you're the one driving the story, and making the choices, and then you get stuck playing as someone who's to pathetic to do so, or at least it feels that way.Nenad said:
It's like tasting something really really bitter. You know you have to taste it at some point, and the world's better off with the taste, but if you don't like bitter, it's just going to leave a bad taste in your mouth, no matter how many vitamins it has.
Persona took place in a dream?
Persona 4 took place in an alternate dimension, parallel to our own, where people's thoughts gathered, while 3 took place in a Dark Hour, a sec of time that stood still and only thoughts that had something about them could enter. Yet im trying to get facts though a show that is meant for comedy and rages on points he thinks will be funny.
Persona 4 took place in an alternate dimension, parallel to our own, where people's thoughts gathered, while 3 took place in a Dark Hour, a sec of time that stood still and only thoughts that had something about them could enter. Yet im trying to get facts though a show that is meant for comedy and rages on points he thinks will be funny.
The Venn diagram is incorrect; the third circle for people who like painful block puzzles is a subset of people who like block puzzles, and therefore should be completely inside the second circle but still overlapping the first, not merely overlapping both circles at the edges.
Just thought you should know.
Just thought you should know.
I do agree, we could probably learn something from Vincent. I don't even think Catherine's a bad game or anything, and the characters, although somewhat archetypal, do at least seem fleshed out into close-enough-to-human.Nenad said:
It's just a niche game. Not a lot of people like playing a tool, but I think it's better that this game got made, and at least made with some dedication.
Though I do think the game could be significantly better with the addition of one scene that depicts one of Vincent's buddies slamming his head onto the table repeatedly, while carefully explaining to him why he's such a pussy.
I didn't expect Yahtzee to like it even in the slightest, but seriously, people.
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Sweet Lord, does it piss me off when someone takes everything that Yahtzee says so literally that they simply don't buy any game that HE deems to be sub-par. Think for yourselves you goddamn sheep!
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Don't.
Let.
Internet.
Personalities.
Shape.
Your.
Own.
Opinions.
Sweet Lord, does it piss me off when someone takes everything that Yahtzee says so literally that they simply don't buy any game that HE deems to be sub-par. Think for yourselves you goddamn sheep!
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