gunna take that as a good game review 
Gratz fall out 3 u have achieved the near impossible! impressing yahtzee!
Gratz fall out 3 u have achieved the near impossible! impressing yahtzee!
Zero Punctuation: Fallout 3
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I personally like the game, and played it more than I should have... 20 hours plus. I'd like to see Yahtzee play Left 4 Dead... I love that game... so much it hurts my arms playing it.
I was really, really wary of Fallout 3 being that I am somewhat of a fanboy of the first two plus I hated Oblivion. After playing a bit of the game so far, I have to say Bethesda may be heading in the right direction. There are alot of things that could be improved, a few things that NEED to be improved, but overall I think the "Pros" outweigh the "Cons".
Biggest gripes:
- I like VATS (reminds me of old Fallout), but whats with no Eyes or Groin to aim at? Plus seems like something is wrong with Real Time shooting as you spend probably 5x the ammo.
- Karma system needs improvement.
- Seems like everyone starts with the "Blood Mess" perk, but later you get the "Extremely Bloody Mess" perk where nearly everyone explodes off all their limbs. I think there are waaaay to many dismemberments without the perk while using weapons that this shouldnt be capable of happening (unless due to radiation, human bones tend to explode when struck hard enuff).
Edited to add:
As for serious Fallout fanboys. I understand their woes; however I think they dont even try to get over the move to non-isometric and realtime. I agree that I wouldve like to see another Fallout done up old skool Iso- and Turn-based in glorious 3D, but as far as sequels go from another company over a decade after the last "true" sequel... this isnt that bad.
I think one HUGE difference I miss is that in 1 & 2, SPECIAL really defined your character and it forced you to think, act, play as this character you made since your abilities are so limited and diverse.
Biggest gripes:
- I like VATS (reminds me of old Fallout), but whats with no Eyes or Groin to aim at? Plus seems like something is wrong with Real Time shooting as you spend probably 5x the ammo.
- Karma system needs improvement.
- Seems like everyone starts with the "Blood Mess" perk, but later you get the "Extremely Bloody Mess" perk where nearly everyone explodes off all their limbs. I think there are waaaay to many dismemberments without the perk while using weapons that this shouldnt be capable of happening (unless due to radiation, human bones tend to explode when struck hard enuff).
Edited to add:
As for serious Fallout fanboys. I understand their woes; however I think they dont even try to get over the move to non-isometric and realtime. I agree that I wouldve like to see another Fallout done up old skool Iso- and Turn-based in glorious 3D, but as far as sequels go from another company over a decade after the last "true" sequel... this isnt that bad.
I think one HUGE difference I miss is that in 1 & 2, SPECIAL really defined your character and it forced you to think, act, play as this character you made since your abilities are so limited and diverse.
Hey fellow Zero Punctuation fans (and Yathzee, who knows),
I'd like to simply point-out that...well..the review was sort of off target. What I mean is that he didn't play the game right. Before getting all offended and replying my comment, let me explain.
Yathzee's supposed to do a review, meaning playing the game as it is and giving-out his opinion of it. Therefore, with how the difficulties are set, the only way to fully appreciate the essence of the game (meaning VERY LIMITED ressources, attacks needing a minimal use of strategy and enemies quite harder to dispose of (making the V.A.T.S a almost indispensable tool and the gamer able to actualy appreciate it)) is at very hard (being the most difficult setting). With the content of the video, I can guess that Yathzee played Fallout3 on normal or eaven easy difficulty setting (I really hope he wasen't noobish enough to go on very easy).
Point is, I was rather deceived when, eaventho the review was intertaining, I found myself watching a comment video about a game that's hardly been played for what it is. So Yathzee, how about changing the difficulty level (if possible in-game, good thing about Fallout3) when things seems rather too easy, to the point where you normaly should feel like you're missing-out on something?
I'd like to simply point-out that...well..the review was sort of off target. What I mean is that he didn't play the game right. Before getting all offended and replying my comment, let me explain.
Yathzee's supposed to do a review, meaning playing the game as it is and giving-out his opinion of it. Therefore, with how the difficulties are set, the only way to fully appreciate the essence of the game (meaning VERY LIMITED ressources, attacks needing a minimal use of strategy and enemies quite harder to dispose of (making the V.A.T.S a almost indispensable tool and the gamer able to actualy appreciate it)) is at very hard (being the most difficult setting). With the content of the video, I can guess that Yathzee played Fallout3 on normal or eaven easy difficulty setting (I really hope he wasen't noobish enough to go on very easy).
Point is, I was rather deceived when, eaventho the review was intertaining, I found myself watching a comment video about a game that's hardly been played for what it is. So Yathzee, how about changing the difficulty level (if possible in-game, good thing about Fallout3) when things seems rather too easy, to the point where you normaly should feel like you're missing-out on something?
I still don't understand all the hate. People are holding this game up to some huge standard it could never really meet no matter what. Its true that this is diffent than the last two games but that does not have to be a bad thing. Once you remove the rose tinted glasses Fallout 2 had alot of things fans complained about when compared to one anyways. Personally I think that most of the gripes with Fallout 3 and with bathesda's work in general are kind of too hard. After all they went though the work of picking up a series that most of the fans would hate them for no matter what they did, dusting it off, and putting alot of effort into making a really good game. It is good too. How many other companies put this level of overall detail into a game anymore, especially with all the cries for 'better graphics' and 'more content' from everywhere. How many companies still go above and beyond what will get them the money? Hell how many companies dare to survive by putting out such a relatively small number of high quality games?
The days of the Pen and Paper Iso are gone unless one of you guys wants to get tools and make one. It saddens me too but if you refuse to look past it then your crushing all the fun out of a wonderful game before you even touch the keyboard. I'm not even going to pretend to understand the hate towards the Elder scroll games, but it seems that most of the people who feel that way hated Fallout 3 for not being like the other two anyways. This is not an episode 1-3 situation people. They kept the continuity fairly well, kept the feel, did quite a bit to try and make old fans happy which frankly almost seems like a wasted effort for most fans.
I am sorry to say but the way I see it those who seem to have serious complaint about the game, well, I'm sorry to say that anything done by anyone but Black Isle was never going to be good enough and the game lost the ability to be fun for you when you heard about it it seems. You know this is a good reason though for people to homebrew Fallout into their favorite pen and paper system though as it would finally make those people happy.
The days of the Pen and Paper Iso are gone unless one of you guys wants to get tools and make one. It saddens me too but if you refuse to look past it then your crushing all the fun out of a wonderful game before you even touch the keyboard. I'm not even going to pretend to understand the hate towards the Elder scroll games, but it seems that most of the people who feel that way hated Fallout 3 for not being like the other two anyways. This is not an episode 1-3 situation people. They kept the continuity fairly well, kept the feel, did quite a bit to try and make old fans happy which frankly almost seems like a wasted effort for most fans.
I am sorry to say but the way I see it those who seem to have serious complaint about the game, well, I'm sorry to say that anything done by anyone but Black Isle was never going to be good enough and the game lost the ability to be fun for you when you heard about it it seems. You know this is a good reason though for people to homebrew Fallout into their favorite pen and paper system though as it would finally make those people happy.
All the important gripe can be summed in Beth going for a action/shooter rather then a good RPG.TerraMGP said:
Also big time ROFL at, "How many companies still go above and beyond what will get them the money? Hell how many companies dare to survive by putting out such a relatively small number of high quality games?"
Also no need for the excuse at the end, that only Black Isle could have only done it. Also think be better if they made released let Black Isle finished Van Buren or had Beth not got all uptight about the little project some small group of guys where making.
You know there is no point in arguing this. If you guys want to make yoruselves miserable by ripping apart the game bit by bit over small things and convincing yourselves that its not good then really your only hurting yourselves. Bethesda makes good games. I personally adore the large open ended world thing and the do it really well in real time. I love the old games, but Oblivion and Fallout 3 are great games.
I will say this though. If your capable of keeping your standards realistic and not projecting hatred onto a game for the 'indie reason to hate it' you may find that alot of those games are actually fun. In the end isn't that the point?
I will say this though. If your capable of keeping your standards realistic and not projecting hatred onto a game for the 'indie reason to hate it' you may find that alot of those games are actually fun. In the end isn't that the point?
You sir, have a way of putting things on paper that I can't be bothered pointing out to people. I couldn't agree any more with all of your statements so far, it just irks me to no end that people had this certain game in their minds and they're just pissed it didn't get done to what they thought it should be. I shall name it 'Fanboi Tunnel Vision'.TerraMGP said:
Bethesda doing what they have done with the game opened up their target market by shitloads. I've seen so many comments stating that people will now buy this game even though they weren't fans of the previous isometric view games.
Imagine if GTA kept its top down view?
Bli$$ard on the other hand has done exactly what the fans want and kept their game to the same viewpoint as the previous 2. I'm happy enough with that as they probably have the sales figures to back up keeping it that way.
well it would be maam (but please nobody call me Maam, god I feel old enough.) But thank you. Usually though I'm on hte side of the Fanboy/girl raving lunatic 'it was better the old way' side. I would have adored it if they had made this game as an Isometric view. But They were not going to, and so basing it on the whole 'it should have been Isometric' already gives it a failing grade in the minds of many people. Its like a teacher asking for a paper on video games and then failing a paper for being PRO video games. Odd analogy I know but honestly thats about what it equates to.
But one good thing has come from all this. I am now tempted to go back to Cyrodill and again attempt to put every single book in the game into one house.
But one good thing has come from all this. I am now tempted to go back to Cyrodill and again attempt to put every single book in the game into one house.
Haven't played Fallout 3 yet for comparison, but yep, totally agree Ice. For his sanity I definitely recommend Yahtzee keeps finding something else to come out to keep him away from FarCry 2.Black Ice said:
