Zero Punctuation: Hyrule Warriors - Nintendo Holding Pattern?

[Rozalia1]

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Spoiler: This is the good stuff

 

[Something Amyss]

Glad to see another sensible opinion here. I kind of had a hunch Yahtzee wouldn't like this, as he's on record as a guy who "doesn't really like JRPGs". Jim might like this though.

Jim both reviewed the game and featured it on his channel. There is literally no need to speculate on his opinion.

 

[Nixou]

Nintendo makes new stuff frequently, it's just that when you have franchises that have lasted going on thirty years or more and thus they've had time to accumulate many entries and spinoffs, it makes it SEEM like Nintendo uses only those franchises.

Old franchises always tend to receive more media coverage and enjoy better sales, precisely because they're so familiar.

Most franchises are lucky to not burn out before the decade mark and yet Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Fire Emblem, Pokemon, Kirby, Donkey Kong, and more are not only still around, they're still relevant and win critical and commercial acclaim all the time. I fail to see the logic here.

Then again, Team Ninja proved with Other M that they excel at burning decades of accumulated goodwill at record speed.

 

[Barbas]

Ugh. If you don't like it, fine, but do you really need to shit on the fans?

I'm a COD fan, you get used to it. Hell, you've been here since 2011. How are you not used to it? The only difference is he's shitting on a fan base you may or may not be a part of.

To be honest I feel like he hasn't done it as much as late. I guess my defenses got lower. And I suppose it's also a case of a straw that broke the camel's back

Well, it sure surprised me. I don't recall him actually referring to fans of something as "cunts" in one of his videos before.

A bit of a shame, really; "fan" seems to have gathered so many negative connotations over the years that it's often seen as a dirty word on its own, when it really just means having a strong admiration for something. Zelda fans are also difficult for me to imagine running rampant and invoking mental images of the word it was derived from. They're having fun with familiar games, good for them. There's no need to kick them for it. I don't know whether Yahtzee has had some unpleasant experiences with Zelda fans in the past or they used to send him hate-mail or whatever, but it was an unnecessarily mean-spirited move. His point could have stood on its own.

I'm also surprised to see that you're being gleefully descended on simply for saying that you think he went too far by calling them cunts. Reading some of the responses to what you've said is like watching people trying to impersonate a comedian without knowing what makes that comedian funny.

 

[prpshrt]

Lol the backlash to the review of this game is going to be like the one he had from reviewing super smash brawl

Captcha: Easy Mashed Flavors... wat?

 

[lordofpowies]

Yahtzee, I love you, you're extremely intelligent and really funny, but every time you review a Nintendo product, you make sure to insult me personally.

 

[God of Path]

I can't imagine how difficult it might be for Team Ninja designing a Zelda game to NOT give Link gorgeous, voluptuous (water-balloon-jiggle-enhanced) breasts.

 

[NeutralDrow]

Seriously, Dynasty Warrior fans, I want you to answer me this question honestly: In the absence of the Zelda characters, was this game really the best expression of the "_____ Warriors" subgenre? Or even a terribly good one?

Yes.

I mean, no, it's not the best expression of the "_____ Warriors" subgenre, but that's because I don't think anything will ever top the flash and variety of Sengoku Basara 3: Utage (though I admit, I haven't played a Dynasty Warriors after 5:XL, nor Warriors Orochi 3). But based on gameplay and non-franchise-specific presentation, I would rank Hyrule Warriors on the same level as the original Samurai Warriors 2 and the original Warriors Orochi.

Sure, it probably wouldn't have done as well if it wasn't a Zelda game, because it wouldn't have had the same level of exposure, but so? Liking both the hack'n'slash gameplay and the Zelda series doesn't qualify as a conflict of interest.

 

[Enlong]

Probably no wind wakers because
1) fights on boats?

Would be awesome, and you know it.

2) visually it wouldn't match.

Ech. They used Skyward Sword, which is already halfway between.

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

Then again, Team Ninja proved with Other M that they excel at burning decades of accumulated goodwill at record speed.

Or it goes to show that gamer culture is very similar to idol singer fans; give them a different depiction of what they THINK a character is like and suddenly the realization that their ideals never existed to begin with is enough to make them have an aneurysm.

 

[Enlong]

Are you about to defend Other M?

I mean, more power to ya, but that's not a conversation anyone's coming out of unscathed, so can we not?

 

[Anaphyis]

Oh hey, it's time for Yahtzee to do another generic and insulting rant about a Nintendo product. You know, the kind where you can take the audio from every other and it would still match up to 90%. And in other news, Dynasty Warrior games are highly iterative. Mind. Blown. This video was boring and even worse, lazy. You are the one doing the holding pattern, mate. Wasn't there another game out you actually had something to say about? Shadows of Mordor perhaps?

 

[Enlong]

I felt it was, in some ways, a better Warriors game than the other one I played; Orochi 3.

Having a dodge button on everyone, combined with a lock-on system and mid-mission checkpoints severely cut down on annoying incidents where I have to restart an entire mission after getting blindsided and juggled to death by an enemy 28 minutes into a battle.

That, and the way keeps and reinforcements work felt a lot easier to understand and work to my favor

Maybe all these points are common, and Orochi 3 is the stripped-down one, but that was my impression with it.

 

[Something Amyss]

This is what Warriors games are like, and Yahtzee just doesn't get the appeal of those qualities, which is nothing new; he's felt that way about many other mini-genres before.

Weirdly enough, people only seem offended because it's a Zelda game.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

Yahtzee, I love you, you're extremely intelligent and really funny, but every time you review a Nintendo product, you make sure to insult me personally.

He liked Wind Waker and Luigi's Mansion 2, didn't he?

 

[MerlinCross]

Personally I liked this game. I like DW games(To a degree. Do they really have to be madden like?) and I liked it for well not being a Zelda game.

Now I'm not asking for Zelda to turn into Mario(Kart, Party, Doctor, Used Car Salesman), but some spin off games would be nice. More so if they get away from the formula they've been running with for what....15+ years? Heck 3 of my favorite games are Link's Awakening, Oracle of Season/Ages just be cause there's no Zelda in them, OR Ganon!

(Addendum: The Oracle games do feature Zelda and Ganon but only when you use the password system after beating one on the other game.)

 

[Aristatide]

I would like to give some mad props to Dynasty Warriors fans, and their attitude of "yeah, everything terrible you say about it is absolutely correct, and I understand why you wouldn't like it. We love it, though." That's a healthy attitude to have, and I wish more video game fans shared it.

Well, it's either that or you greatly increase your risk of an aneurysm due to perpetual rage, and I'm not ready to be the next Kevin Sorbo. You know how in the greater geek culture everyone slags off on furries because they're a safe target? Dynasty Warriors fans get this in video game fandoms. A lot of it has to do with the current conceptions of what's valuable in gaming culture; it's not coincidence that Jim Sterling, who would perhaps marry the Warriors franchise if he could, made that "Innovation: Gaming's Snake Oil" Jimquisition. Repeating a formula that works with some minor enhancements can actually be a beautiful thing. Fallout: New Vegas is one of my favorite games for this reason.

Relevant Links:
http://brunching.com/geekhierarchy.html
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/7005-Innovation-Gamings-Snake-Oil

 

[Maphysto]

The best part is that they will almost certainly be the same ones clamoring for him to review it in the first place.

It usually goes something like this:

"Hey Yahtzee, what do you think of this game?"
(silence)
"Yahtzee, when are you going to review this game?"
(Silence)
"Yaaaaaahtzee, tell me what you think of this game!"
"Fine, it's not good."
"Typical Yahtzee, always hating on games!"

There are two types of people who look forward to Yahtzee reviewing a particular game: The ones who know the game is or is going to be bad and look forward to seeing him rip it apart, and the ones who are waiting with baited breath for him to say he likes it, thus validating them and their tastes forever in the eyes of god and interwebs.

 

[Something Amyss]

There are two types of people who look forward to Yahtzee reviewing a particular game: The ones who know the game is or is going to be bad and look forward to seeing him rip it apart, and the ones who are waiting with baited breath for him to say he likes it, thus validating them and their tastes forever in the eyes of god and interwebs.

Ayup.

Count me in the former. Even if I like the game. I like Sleeping Dogs. I also like his review of Sleeping Dogs. Hell, I agree with most of his points.

 

[MerlinCross]

Ayup.

Count me in the former. Even if I like the game. I like Sleeping Dogs. I also like his review of Sleeping Dogs. Hell, I agree with most of his points.

Yeah. I just find it fun to watch him rip into games even if I like a game in question. Always a laugh.