Zero Punctuation: Mailbag Showdown

[Forsooth and Pi]

Wow, I'm not quite sure what to think about this week's episode. On the one hand, it wasn't really a review (of a game, at least) and it discussed a game he already reviewed. On the other hand, it was fucking hilarious. And this is coming from a guy who took offense at the original review (if only because I felt that the end of it proclaimed that EVERYONE who enjoys the game is a fanboy). The true spirit of ZP was captured in this "review," and for that alone it was a success.

As I mentioned in a post for the SSBB review, "Yahtzee must be laughing his ass off reading through these comments," or something to that effect. Well, I don't know if he read through the comments or not, but he certainly seemed to enjoy tearing apart those emails. Close enough in my book. ^_^

Also... did someone here use the word "defenestration?" Best word of all time.

 

[PuffyPuffy]

*YES* I'm so glad he did this, albeit kind of disappointed he didn't address the only thing I found to be wrong with the review, it's what he said about button mashers being able to compete with skilled players.
Any half decent Brawl player could easily take on a team of three people if they were compromised of button mashers.
EH, shouldn't have irked me really but I used to play in Melee tournaments and all that.

Otherwise, the arguments these two videos have stirred up are almost as entertaining as the reviews themselves.
Albeit quite a bit more depressing.

 

[Archan 2099]

Sorry to everyone since I kinda skipped the first 14 pages of review and skimmed through this one as well. The smash brows reviews is justified by the fact it's Yahtzee's OPINION and lets face it he liked Grim fandango and other games we "polite" gamers prefer to forget. This is however not the point The fact is despite being offended by his verbal attack on people's favorite titles and hero's we will be back for more it's just too funny. However the real issue that everyone is side stepping is why doesn't Yahtzee critique Strategy games. Especially
Supreme commander the game the combines the felicity of Augustus and the virtues of Trajan .

 

[Archan 2099]

sorry again there was one other thing after playing brawl there was something that felt off, after an hour or two me and my buddies busted out the N64 and played smash bros classic.

 

[FranicalFrazical]

That was amazingly funny, good job Yahtzee.

 

[Vigilance05]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[Emperor_Z]

I don't really think this was fair. I'm sure there were letters with criticisms he couldn't refute, such as how he spent over half the time ranting about Nintendo instead of the game, but of course he wouldn't show them.

He needs to get over this. Many of the loyal ZP watchers thought the review was quite below average for legitimate reasons, yet he continually taunts the critics and blames everything on fanboys. Although the original review probably wasn't intentional trolling, the message in the following review and now this thing definately are.

 

[Emperor_Z]

The smash brows reviews is justified by the fact it's Yahtzee's OPINION and lets face it he liked Grim fandango and other games we "polite" gamers prefer to forget.

I'm thought Grim Fandango was very well liked by pretty much everyone that likes adventure games.

 

[Mythbhavd]

I registered to post in this thread. I've been a Yahtzee fan for a while, and I watched the Brawl review fiasco happen.

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Very early on in the forum, a couple of people said that it was a generally accepted rule not to make fun of your own fans. However, the emails that he quoted here were truly ridiculous. None of them were well reasoned arguments against his review.
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He had to pick the dumbest emails in his pile because doing otherwise would have made him look stupid. It's kind of disappointing that he didn't even try to have a reasonable discussion about it, but I didn't really expect him to from the get-go.

And, as it has so often been pointed out, a review is a subjective statement of opinion by one person who played the game. It should be noted that most (not all) of the objections in the SSBB forum could be summed up in the emails he reviewed here.

The second (and most important) reason people had to get pissed off was that he didn't just say, "Brawl is a shit game." He's entitled to say "Brawl is a shit game." because that's his opinion. He said, "Brawl is a shit game, and the people who like Brawl are shit people."

To the first point you make, I actually stayed up with most of the posts in the forum. The majority on both sides of the argument could be summed up by the emails he quoted in this video, whether they were defending yahtzee or defending SSBB.

As to your second post, I've just gone back to check out your quote here. He does not say that the people who play Brawl are shit people in either this response or in his original review. He says that, regardless of his review, most people who play it already know if they enjoy it or not and that his review won't mean a thing, a point that was borne out in the subsequent posts in the forum.

Wait a minute...I know what's going on here! I'm getting sucked into a he-said, she-said argument! Lol! Bad g31st! No donut for you!

As I said before, "let's get back to the good old weeks when we could watch a review, laugh about it, and discuss it like the reasonably well-adjusted crazy people we are."

 

[Raaben387]

if you dont like his views, dont watch his videos. that way, you wont get worked up over his comments, and therefore wont bother everyone else with your own bitter feed back. just take it to a smash bros forum and ***** about him there, im sure he'll be deeply offended.

BRILLIANT video

looking forward to next weeks

 

[Raljiktar]

Yatzee i love you, marry me.

 

[entropy3ko]

WOOOOOOOW This one got more posts than the Review of The Witcher LOL

Cool video Yahtzee! Do not listen to those twats, keep up the good job!


People really get worked up for stupid reasons. I watch the reviews for fun. If I want an opinion I'll check out multiple critics perhaps so to get an idea, although in the end all comes down to personal taste.

Make love (if you can get away from your console long enough), not hate-mail

 

[Forsooth and Pi]

I don't really think this was fair. I'm sure there were letters with criticisms he couldn't refute, such as how he spent over half the time ranting about Nintendo instead of the game, but of course he wouldn't show them.

He needs to get over this. Many of the loyal ZP watchers thought the review was quite below average for legitimate reasons, yet he continually taunts the critics and blames everything on fanboys. Although the original review probably wasn't intentional trolling, the message in the following review and now this thing definately are.

Though this be madness, yet there is method in't. At least he's not attacking the regular viewers, or even any people who emailed him with valid points to make. While the topic might be the same, this video is founded on the childishness of the mass hate mail he received instead of the game itself. As I said, I'm sad that it isn't an actual review, but it was still funny. If Yahtzee had wanted to essentially "review" SSBB again, he would have used the valid points instead of the same ones that were brought up before.

I think this video is a humorous plea to end this mindless bickering once and for all, and move on to other things. Hopefully next week we can resume regular reviews and put this all behind us.

 

[DeLukas]

. . . and lets face it he liked Grim fandango and other games we "polite" gamers prefer to forget.

And that was the point that my opinion became that nothing you would write after would be worth reading. Still, I understand that those with ADD and other mental disorders need constant "pew pew pew" and respect your opinion, even if it comes from crazy town.

 

[Colodomoko]

Before I say what I feel is nessasary to say I would like everyone to know that I find these reviews to be telling us half truths and not the full ones. Right, now that thats out of the way(Or is it?)I have my own opinion on the relationship between Yahtzee and his fanboy/hellish/normal, and I quote "NORMAL" viewers(I personally fall into the catagory of normal like some of the other viewers on the site.). Yahtzee makes games look like crap yet still shows a hint of greatness and I must agree that his reviews can be better by showing the good/bad qualities of the game in the way there is no reference to sextual humor, but this is where we forget to draw the line, the line showing if we want humorus half truths or the full truths of decentness and honesty.

Scrath that last part because this is a fan review that is ment to be hilarious in any way possible, I mean c'mon people, did you honestly think this review is suppose to show a descent truth. To show you what a real review is like please visit the following webpage: http://www.gamespot.com/video/928518/6187422/super-smash-bros-brawl-video-review.

That about sums up my opinion.

P.S.- If you are a fanboy you will be put down like a dog.
If you are hellish you will be made fun of and possibly be banned.
If you are normal you have nothing to fear because you write based on quality.

P.P.S.- Like HELL they ever decide to ban you unless you do something dumb whitch shows how lazy the people on this site may be unless they do read through every single written thread and I say good luck to all.

P.P.P.S.- Thank you if you are a normal viewer.

 

[Aptspire]

lol, shek ur speling evry1
XD
Kidding, they fully deserved it in my opinion
Wondering when the GTA IV review will go out
Aptspire

 

[Donstheman]

I enjoyed this little rant alot actually, as I did with the SSBB review, even if I didnt agree completly with wha was being said, and yes, I have to say I assume that the letters picked by Yahtzee weren't the brightest glimmers of intelligence in his mail bag, but eh, I was entertained.

ALthough, I cant just leave my word there, oh no, I have to say more, namely, my own little opinion of the SSBB brawl. Most of the review I cant say nought about, its his opinions and hes welcome to them, no matter how much I disagree. However, I couldnt help but go "Hang on a minute" when he spoke of button mashing AND "That Guy"

One moment he complains of one then he shoots for the other peeve, each eliminating the other in what Im going to brand the "Clash effect" Before recording I think Yahtzee, as good as he is, should have looked back and realised that by saying such things he contradicts himself, so which is it Yahtzee? Yes, you can have your cake and eat it, but no second slice!

 

[Nitrokitty]

My response to this movie was a big fat "meh." I personally love SSBB, and couldn't care less that Yahtzee doesn't like it. THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO DON'T LIKE THE GAMES I LIKE!!! OH NOES! WHATEVER SHALL I DO?! His Brawl review just wasn't all that funny. It sounded way too forced. He should go back to doing what he was doing before, i.e., reviewing just the games he wants to and not the ones he's expected to, and ignoring people who email him. This review just felt totally unnecessary. Yes, there are stupid people on the internet. We know. Yes, there are people who pathologically love video game X and will fly into a rage if you dare to criticize it. We know this too. You don't need to point this out to us. We know Yahtzee is a smug, superior bastard. He tells us this on his reviews regularly. However, its just more entertaining when he's being a superior bastard over games. Watching him knock down some straw men over the internet just is rather boring.

 

[Abbadiel]

More than 300 posts AGAIN? This is getting a little bit like a clusterfuck to me. Not that it bothers me or something, but I'm starting to get the feeling that the ZP comments topic is getting a bit like say, a big bloody battle on the World War 1.

As much as this somehow pains me, Yahtzee is starting to fall.

His Brawl review just wasn't all that funny. It sounded way too forced. He should go back to doing what he was doing before, i.e., reviewing just the games he wants to and not the ones he's expected to, and ignoring people who email him. This review just felt totally unnecessary.

And that was the first trip in ZP.

It all started with Halo 3, no so nagged about reviewing it. But he still wanted to do it.
Then came Assasins Creed, barely nagged about it.
Then Super Mario Galaxy. I'm not so sure about this one, probably he just tried it and wanted to do a review
Now comes Crysis. Although he liked a bit crysis, there was a bit of nagging too.
Then came some kind of Pathology.
Call of Duty 4. Stated at the introduction of the review, told to review it by four thousand fleeting lambs.
And then...

Super Smash Brothers Brawl.
I'm starting to think that he just made a bad review out of it because he was tired of people telling him what to do.
Don't get me wrong, the only Super Smash Bros. I've ever played was the one on the Nintendo 64. It was an overall good game and I ussually used it to kill time.

 

[Smokescreen]

This episode was awesome. End of discussion.