I genuinely felt that was the best review so far, 'that guy' syndrome is something we all have to make sure we avoid.
Zero Punctuation: Super Smash Bros. Brawl
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mspencer82) Heh. That sounds all too familiar. Its people like that which Fighting Gamers love to hate (and beat to a plup when a game comes around that demands some actual skill).
Orangedude) Actually, I have a Wii and I own this game. Heck I even entered in some tournaments back in the Melee days. All I'm saying is that this game is meant to be fun. Its not meant to be taken seriously. If your a fan, yes, its a superb game and your going to get a lot out of it. If your not, this game will irritate you to no end (which is quite amusing, actually. Maybe thats why I liked Yahtze's review so much). If you play this game solely for the purpose of tournaments and being the best, your going to miss out on 1/2 the gameplay, which I've seen happen too much.
Orangedude) Actually, I have a Wii and I own this game. Heck I even entered in some tournaments back in the Melee days. All I'm saying is that this game is meant to be fun. Its not meant to be taken seriously. If your a fan, yes, its a superb game and your going to get a lot out of it. If your not, this game will irritate you to no end (which is quite amusing, actually. Maybe thats why I liked Yahtze's review so much). If you play this game solely for the purpose of tournaments and being the best, your going to miss out on 1/2 the gameplay, which I've seen happen too much.
It isn't though. The SSB series is downright impervious to button mashers when compared to Soul Calibur or Tekken. Brawl would be the weaker link here than Melee admittedly, but toss a button masher against anyone who has gotten off the first bracket of any decent tournament and they wont take a single stock regardless of character (possible acception for Ike because he rewards you very heavily for rare intermittent hits.heffyhoof said:
Well I think that it's about time that I started posting around here.
First off, congratulations Yahtzee, the show is still good even after 30 weeks, which is something to be proud of in regards of the Internet standards, but that being said, you're not always professional in your reviews.
This topic in not about SSBB itself, I mean liking a specific game is still a matter of choice. I never loved any of of the Tekken or Soul Calibur games, but then again, I always felt that Namco never made anything original in the last 15 years that wasn't ripping some other game. Now am I part of a minority that doesn't like these 2 franchises? Yes, but do I have the credentials to comment, fuck ya! I played well over 70 versus fighting games in my lifetime ranging from 2D to 3D, spanning across multiple platforms and arcade boards, so I've earned the rights to speak about what's good and what's not.
You have the freedom to choose which genres you like, I mean I don't like sports, racing and FPS (yes, that includes Half-Life), but then again, I'm not a fucking game critic. Reviewing a game about a genre that you don't like however hurts your journalism integrity more than you think.
You made well of staying clear of JRPGs (regardless of stating your PPOV on them) but for you to come out and say that you don't like fighting games for X reasons and then reviewing one (or should I say bashing on one) a few moments afterwards, that shows a real degree of unprofessionalism. I'm personally surprised that you don't like fighting games because I was under the impression that you didn't like long commitments to a game and that spending to much time reading and not enough time hitting wasn't your cup of tea.
For the records, one could use the term button mashing for most games, I mean like it or not, you're bound to hit to right buttons eventually by hitting all of them in a random pattern, but for most games, no professional player will be beaten by a button masher with the exception of perhaps 1 or 2 games out of 200 >_>
As for the commitment part, most fighting games don't require to know many moves. If you're thinking of games such as Dead or Alive, the characters don't have that many moves, most of them are combos which you can just determine how they go by looking at the characters and figuring out what they're most likely able to perform (Heavy Vs Fast). Sure, some games have way to many characters and way to many moves (DBZ games), but Smash Bros. is not one of them, in fact, this franchise is pretty basic when it comes to fighting games
Smash Bros. is pretty easy to learn and once you've master the basics, the outcome of the game can be determine by the items you pick up or environment you play in. Sure you, can play without items in basic stages, but then you have painfully long combats where the winner only wins because his opponent missed dodging the same fucking move he did for the past 5 minutes >_>
Anyway, I'm getting off topic here. The point is, you obviously have limited tastes in game genres and you should stick to reviewing what you like because I'd hate to have post this again when Street Fighter IV comes out.
Peace
First off, congratulations Yahtzee, the show is still good even after 30 weeks, which is something to be proud of in regards of the Internet standards, but that being said, you're not always professional in your reviews.
This topic in not about SSBB itself, I mean liking a specific game is still a matter of choice. I never loved any of of the Tekken or Soul Calibur games, but then again, I always felt that Namco never made anything original in the last 15 years that wasn't ripping some other game. Now am I part of a minority that doesn't like these 2 franchises? Yes, but do I have the credentials to comment, fuck ya! I played well over 70 versus fighting games in my lifetime ranging from 2D to 3D, spanning across multiple platforms and arcade boards, so I've earned the rights to speak about what's good and what's not.
You have the freedom to choose which genres you like, I mean I don't like sports, racing and FPS (yes, that includes Half-Life), but then again, I'm not a fucking game critic. Reviewing a game about a genre that you don't like however hurts your journalism integrity more than you think.
You made well of staying clear of JRPGs (regardless of stating your PPOV on them) but for you to come out and say that you don't like fighting games for X reasons and then reviewing one (or should I say bashing on one) a few moments afterwards, that shows a real degree of unprofessionalism. I'm personally surprised that you don't like fighting games because I was under the impression that you didn't like long commitments to a game and that spending to much time reading and not enough time hitting wasn't your cup of tea.
For the records, one could use the term button mashing for most games, I mean like it or not, you're bound to hit to right buttons eventually by hitting all of them in a random pattern, but for most games, no professional player will be beaten by a button masher with the exception of perhaps 1 or 2 games out of 200 >_>
As for the commitment part, most fighting games don't require to know many moves. If you're thinking of games such as Dead or Alive, the characters don't have that many moves, most of them are combos which you can just determine how they go by looking at the characters and figuring out what they're most likely able to perform (Heavy Vs Fast). Sure, some games have way to many characters and way to many moves (DBZ games), but Smash Bros. is not one of them, in fact, this franchise is pretty basic when it comes to fighting games
Smash Bros. is pretty easy to learn and once you've master the basics, the outcome of the game can be determine by the items you pick up or environment you play in. Sure you, can play without items in basic stages, but then you have painfully long combats where the winner only wins because his opponent missed dodging the same fucking move he did for the past 5 minutes >_>
Anyway, I'm getting off topic here. The point is, you obviously have limited tastes in game genres and you should stick to reviewing what you like because I'd hate to have post this again when Street Fighter IV comes out.
Peace
Point taken and a very good point at that. I was referencing Melee more than Brawl there. If the term "wavedashing" means anything to you then you'll know what I'm talking about. As for the mortar, just DI away from it or side dodge it or counter it with an attack with higher priority. There's answers to every situation and predictability is heavily punished by anyone who knows what they're doing. Watch some tournament vids, the players get as crazy as counterstrike.Garfgarog said:
SSBB is the WWE of the video game world: Loud, dramatic, and a fighter know much more for its big names than its fighting system.
Wow - just discovered this site and it is fucking hilarious! The funniest (and most honest) games reviews ever. Keep up the good work Yahtzee.
I normally like these, but that was disappointing. He spent over half the video making fun of 'fanboys' and Nintendo as a business (which he does in every single Nintendo review) rather than actually making fun of the game itself. And what's with the guitar hero character models? I know your animation isn't the point but geeze can we say 'recycled'? You know like the complaint that fighting games can all be won with button mashing? Very unimaginative, I await a better thought out entry.
I know, but there's a ton of people who only have a 360/PS3 and have never touched it so the only reason they have to hate SSBB is because of the annoying fan boys. Yes, SSBB is a fun game, that's exactly the point and what makes it a good game. That's what I meant by just judging it objectively, without bias. I don't care for any tournaments or w/e.KnightOfShaddai said:
Marth is one of the Lords from "Fire Emblem" YEAH I TOLD YA!
I don't care ^__^
And I was not one of the people who defended the Nintendo Wii's name to the death. In fact, when I first bought it I was disappointed (what with the only two games being Wii sports and Twilight Princess).
I don't care ^__^
And I was not one of the people who defended the Nintendo Wii's name to the death. In fact, when I first bought it I was disappointed (what with the only two games being Wii sports and Twilight Princess).
Jesus Christ, a hundred and fifty replies in two hours? I think that qualifies as a 'shitstorm', from a technical standpoint.
Anyways, i'm always up for popular games getting bashed for well-deserved reasons, so cheers to Yahtzee.
Anyways, i'm always up for popular games getting bashed for well-deserved reasons, so cheers to Yahtzee.
Well I didn't like the earlier DBZ games because they were kind of basic and fell into the category of "Anime Fighting games for quick license profit", but I did like DBZ legend mainly because it was a fast game.Kinokiro said:
These new DBZ games however are way to complicated and have way to many moves for their own sake. Considering that they are aimed at kids, that's not a very wise marketing move >_>