How is the fact that you can beat the final boss of the game quickly and with minimal input from the player a good thing?Dreiko said:Also, his point that when you move you shouldn't be shot at is proof enough that he didn't get half of the gameplay's intricacies...using that function (your chars fire against moving targets too) it is possible to beat the final boss in 2 turns.
No, i said in 2 turns, quickly yes, input however is integral and extremely important in order for the tactic to work out.Fraser.J.A said:Huh. So this would count as a positive ZP review, right? Because I think he nearly said something about not hating some aspect of the game, although my ears blinked at that exact moment so I nearly missed it.
How is the fact that you can beat the final boss of the game quickly and with minimal input from the player a good thing?Dreiko said:Also, his point that when you move you shouldn't be shot at is proof enough that he didn't get half of the gameplay's intricacies...using that function (your chars fire against moving targets too) it is possible to beat the final boss in 2 turns.
Some people look at things funny. No, no. The PC thing would be to say they look at it differently. Honestly, I don't care one way or another.Fraser.J.A said:Huh. So this would count as a positive ZP review, right? Because I think he nearly said something about not hating some aspect of the game, although my ears blinked at that exact moment so I nearly missed it.
How is the fact that you can beat the final boss of the game quickly and with minimal input from the player a good thing?Dreiko said:Also, his point that when you move you shouldn't be shot at is proof enough that he didn't get half of the gameplay's intricacies...using that function (your chars fire against moving targets too) it is possible to beat the final boss in 2 turns.
AGAIN! AGGG. I want to choke these people. Do you not understand what a tactical RPG is? Have you not played Disgaea or Final Fantasy Tactics? Luminous Arc? None of these names ringing a bell? How about Operation Darkness, that was pretty recent. No? I'm about to start shooting people in a moment.Credge said:The game is about as far from an RPG as you can get. Unless you consider something like Heroes of Might and Magic or Fire Emblem to be an RPG, then sure.The Great JT said:Thank you Yahtzee, for again verbally crucifying Japan's unnessecary mucking up of the RPG genre.
Well, it's there loss. Some people are more easily swayed than others and, honestly, I can't say I care one way or the other. I've told people time and time again that reviews are only a guideline and that no one review is above another. That it isn't some competition about scores and that at the end of the day each review really only is a person's opinion which ends up with at least a little bias. I've said it so many times and, well, if they don't want to listen that's their business.MasterTroll said:The problem here isn't taste, it is that Yahtzee outright exagerates the bad aspects of games to the point it sounds like he barely played the game at all. While it does enhance comedic effect and rage, and I am always amused by it, he is still not really the best person to use as a barometer for game quality. What people are complaining about is those who after seeing a Yahtzee review decide that it is the end all be all of opinions. People might miss out on a game they like because they take these reviews as srs bsns which they are most certainly not.Autocracy said:Who are you trying to convince? Who? Why? Honestly, the effort isn't worth it. Especially if you don't understand a key element. Taste. It's a matter of taste. What do you like? You like Valkyria Chronicles? Good. Keep liking it. Yahtzee doesn't. Move on.
You'll find that people have different tastes. Some people like chocolate, some people like Vanilla. Some people like Halo, some people like Half-Life. You can't just tell them they are wrong because you liked/hated the thing. They have every right to like whatever they want.
Clearly it's not the JRPG that is the problem, then. I'm assuming you just don't like micromanagement.McGee said:Well, to be honest....I kind of hate MMOs too...Autocracy said:Oh boy. Don't like menus? I hate to tell you this but it's not just Japanese RPGS that have great big menus. Eh, I suggest you not try any MMO. Especially not Eve Online. That gets complicated fast. Witcher? Yeah, don't go there. Some might argue that some of the Resident Evil Games get complicated but that's up for debate.McGee said:I have to agree with Yahtzee, but I also LOATHE JRPGs or games that have heavy anime themes. My best friend absolutely loves these games and it seems like every other week he has a new one for me to try. A few weeks ago it was this rubbish game. I sat through 3 hours of play before I absolutely couldn't take it any longer. The thing I agree with Yahtzee the most on is the menu system.
Dear lord. I facepalm at thee. No. "JRPG" is a term to collectively categorize the games of this genre that originate from that region and share common elements such as those "anime tropes" you mentioned. Just because it has "tactical" elements doesn't automatically exclude it from being a Japanese Role Playing Game. That just strikes me as silly. To argue that the two things are mutually exclusive is just a pointless exercise in semantics, don't you think?harhol said:What are you talking about? Amateur fans of the genre? "JRPG" is just a phrase used to describe the type of Final Fantasy-style console role-playing games that typically emerge from Japan. It does not mean games-in-which-you-play-a-role-of-some-sort-which-are-made-in-Japan. "TRPG" is a term used to describe grid-based strategy games where you're presented with a map and a bunch of friendly & enemy units and each side takes turns to attack & defend. The gameplay in each couldn't be more different. Valkyria Chronicles is not a JRPG.Autocracy said:You seem like a reasonable chap, you really do, but you reasoning is flawed as is your comparisons. Honestly, I hate the line of thinking and how common sense is abandoned by amateur fans of the genre. Of course, I never was a fan of the way gamers liked to try and classify things. What is Valkyria Chronicles. It's a turn-based Role Playing game that is from Japan, therefore it is a Japanese Role Playing Game. AKA a JRPG. It is very much relevant and I don't know why it wouldn't be ... As I sit here and think about it, I wince at the term "Japanese Role Playing Game". It seems a little, well, racist. I don't know. Maybe that's just me.
Fascism (and by extension, the right wing in general)Banok said:like? if someone says they are a nazi I'm pretty sure they mean racist first and foremost.Xelanath said:There's plenty more to Nazis than racism.Banok said:when he says hes a nazi sympathist I hope he doesn't mean racist, especially after all his "I'M NOT RACIST" mindwashing. but then I can't think what else he means... maybe he just likes the trenchcoats (well, who doesn't?).
I saw nothing in his video where his points were wrong. Why don't you point them out to me?Max-Vader said:I never said that. But you should know what you are talking about, if you make a review.Lord_Jaroh said:Why does a person have to finish a game in order to form an opinion on it?
As I said, my problem is not his opinion, my problem is that he was at some points wrong and ranted about something he had no clue about.He dislikes JRPGs, so why harp on him for sharing that opinion, when we already know it?
[/quote]I'm not swayed by other peoples opinions. Also, who are you to tell me if I should watch/read reviews? If his reasons are wrong, then it seems perfectly valid to me to point them out. Why can't you accept my opinion then? Criticism works both ways you know. I can and will criticise everyone for being incorrect, no matter if it is Yahtzee or not.He was just giving us his reasons, and if you can't accept that, then you have no business reading/watching reviews as you are easily swayed by other peoples' opinions.
Gladly. I'll give you some examples:Lord_Jaroh said:I saw nothing in his video where his points were wrong. Why don't you point them out to me?
I'm not influenced by his reviews, or I wouldn't play JRPGs, would I? And yes, my opinion is based on facts - namely that Yahtzee was wrong at the aforementioned points. I hope I could give you some insight in why I disagreed with him.I was saying that if you are influenced by Yahtzee's "reviews", then you shouldn't pay attention to them, since they seem to get your goat, or some such. Opinions are fine when they are based on facts. Your opinion is based on someone else's opinion...which means that it can be wrong. As I said, I saw absolutely nothing incorrect about Yahtzee's review, and I ask you to point out these mistakes to me.
So we have to sit and listen to somebody's opinion but we're not allowed to give our own opinion? I think I'll pass on your advice, if you don't mind.Autocracy said:Who are you trying to convince? Who? Why? Honestly, the effort isn't worth it. Especially if you don't understand a key element. Taste. It's a matter of taste. What do you like? You like Valkyria Chronicles? Good. Keep liking it. Yahtzee doesn't. Move on.cursedseishi said:While I normally agree with Yahtzee, I have to disagree with this game being bad. The game does warn you to save before every battle. While the amount of menus can get annoying, after a few hours of playing it I don't mind it. The combat in the game is fun, and just cause they are only shooting at you doesn't mean everyone else is safe. You can run past someone on your team, and if they are shooting at you, can hit and kill that person.
If you scroll down in the R&D menu for weapons, they do branch off into different types, focusing on certain aspects, so the "singular path" part is a crock of bull for most weapons. The characters aren't the norm stereotypes, and if you read the backstory for Welkins, its not just cause of him owning a tank. He, like many youth, had to take some military training. He followed in his father's footsteps, as did his "sister" Isara, and took classes based on what he's doing now, same as her following her engineer father's footsteps.
If you decided not to get this game solely on what he has said, you are a tool, try the game out before-hand.
You'll find that people have different tastes. Some people like chocolate, some people like Vanilla. Some people like Halo, some people like Half-Life. You can't just tell them they are wrong because you liked/hated the thing. They have every right to like whatever they want.
And you want to know the real funny thing? Yahtzee ain't telling you to like or dislike anything. All he is doing is sharing his opinion on the matter and making money while he does it. He even talked about it in the mailbag showdown. It's hilarious.
Why people have this kind of crusader mentality to defend whatever they like is beyond me. It doesn't do anything but cause great big and usually annoying arguments (although you have been well-behaved, thankfully, and courteous in your remarks; many people are not). The companies don't care and care less about the people defending them. But either way, you aren't changing the mind of the person (IE Yahtzee) or anyone that thinks like him. They are more or less set in their opinion as you are in yours.
So, in summary. Opinions are like a-holes. Everybody has one. No, no. People are different and will like different things so get use to it. The sooner you do, the more fun you'll have.
I disagree - having enemies shoot at you while you move ("intercepting fire" in VC) is a great idea to move the genre forward (or revolutinise it, in this case). Intercepting fire requires a good deal more strategy and planning on the player's part, since it forces him to plan out his movements to avoid ambushes and even gives him the option to set up his own. It also negates the traditional tactic of sending one super-soldier in there and killing everyone unopposed.Samurai Goomba said:But yeah, enemies should NEVER be able to shoot you when it's not their turn in a TBS. I don't think I've ever encountered that in all my TBS gaming.