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ElArabDeMagnifico said:
I love and hate this video, mainly because I like that he didn't review a game so it was a little more interesting, and of course this also means he's straying away a little more because now he realizes how fucking influential he is - but ranting about gaming webcomics is borderline "off topic"...borderline.

I love how everyone just says "man he must hate CAD" even though he didn't mention ANY names other than penny arcade.

Love how it also says "Still very much aware of the hypocrisy thank you!" - (go to that site at the end of the video and check out his comic.) and of course him and his flip flopping of opinions.
He has stated before that he hates CAD, and his use of the miscarriage example directly realted to CAD. Also, he mentions Bontrol Balt Belete or some crap in the video.
 

KenzS

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Wow, first day this video is released and already 13 pages of comments. Yahtzee could make a video of him snoring for fifteen minutes, people would still watch it and comment saying it was awesome.

I guess since I don't know junk about webcomics, i can't say much about this video.
 

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SamW89 said:
It seems that lately, all Yahtzee seems to do is try to annoy as many people as possible, to get his popularity up - after all, controversy sells. This has been true for Metal Gear Solid 4, The World Ends With You, and Super Smash Brothers Brawl. I do feel that this is going a step too far though as he's throwing every webcomic, ever, into the same pot and trying to claim they're all the same.
Yahtzee has been doing that since he started. The Console Rundown video? "An adventure in fanboy baiting" I believe the description read.
 

Maingunprimed

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First and foremost I enjoy CAD and it seems more interesting for tim buckley to mix up his story line a bit instead of continous humor and throw in a bit of a mishap every now and again. It is suppose to be comedy and tragedy. Secondly I didn't think yatzhee would go in the direction of CAD bashing. If Tim some how offended yahtzee at a convention this spontaneous revenge video is a little much. Shit happens deal with it.
 

Aidanadv

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Has anyone else noticed that the CAD forums went down after the 2nd thread about ZP was posted?
 

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anyad said:
Hate and disrespect should not spread. I thought Yahtzee was smarter than that to join that gang.
You say 'hate' and 'disrespect', I see 'opinion' and 'criticism'. This is criticism at its most vitriolic, but nonetheless hateful or not, it is criticism and a projection of opinion.Whether the points made are valid or not is debatable, but it doesn't mean you can't enjoy something you like unless you have an unnatural need for everyone's approval on every thing you do.

anyad said:
And I take that no one watched Scrubs around here? It is indeed possible to mix drama with humour. Ever heard of tragic comedies?
Yes, but did Tim Buckley manage to pull that off well? That's also up for debate.
Personally, I didn't think so. Miscarriage is sad, yes, but it has been done in better. It wasn't heart-wrenching to me in the slightest and the whole arc walked into "blugh" territory for me. That's two steps below "meh" and one step below "bleh". Of course, I've generally felt that CAD was/is the essence of mediocrity that had some sense of wasted potential to be like Penny Arcade (a webcomic I usually go into with a "meh"), so I'm a biased elitist. Sorry, maybe I needed the emotional attachment for the characters, but I absolutely can't view them as anything else but the stereotypes presented by Yahtzee.
 

mush930

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Cafepress shirts... bah!

Zazzle.com is where its at... cheaper, better quality, 24hr. turnaround guaranteed~
 

Maingunprimed

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hes going the way of foamy the squirrel. initially he was interesting and humerous then his opinions on everything that lives under the sun get a bit tedious and so by insulting something popular he draws more attention to himself.
 

Piston Effesca

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No, seriously, CAD sucks

(And Tim Buckley's an arrogant jagoff)
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Tim_buckley
 

Lord_Seth

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sandswipe said:
The only time I've ever seen a humor comic turn to drama successfully was sluggy freelance. Some of the stories fall flat (most of those semi-annual Harry Potter parodies), but the characters genuinely grow over time, and even in the darkest storyline he manages to stick in some awesome one-liners that don't distract from the mood. The art is decent, and the wordy comics actually advance the story in subtle ways. Also, almost all of his dramatic comics are freaking huge.
Order of the Stick. That comic was the essence was well-executed Cerebus Syndrome (the term for the humor-to-drama). It added a more serious plot, fleshed out the characters, but perhaps most importantly, STAYED FUNNY. Actually, it may have become MORE funny after it added the DRAMA?. Also, it didn't jump into it in just one strip, but rather it was a gradual change. Managing to stay funny while adding DRAMA? is tricky, but is very possible. Order of the Stick is living proof.

Let's compare Ctrl+Alt+Del. Before the DRAMA? happened, it was a fairly lighthearted comic. Suddenly, something as gravely serious as a miscarriage is thrown in seemingly out of nowhere. This might have worked if not for the fact it went back to wacky gaming strips shortly afterward. The juxtaposition of a comic with a very serious story line with purely random comics doesn't work. THAT'S what ruined the miscarriage arc, before anything else: You can't have something as gravely serious as a miscarriage come out of nowhere and then get back to Dungeons & Dragons humor two strips later.

In the end, the biggest problem with the miscarriage is how out of place it felt. You can have curveballs like that if you've already established DRAMA? at least somewhat in your strip, but throwing in said curveballs out of nowhere constitutes a Wall Banger.

LazyAza said:
While I've never burst into uncontrollable laughter over cad its had its moments of humour in the past but sadly they're as rare as finding diamonds in your toilet. PA is genious, cad is like the newer simpsons eps, smart people know its shit but the morons are still going to love it.
I'm not certain why you write off its fans as "morons", but then again I have never understood the hatred towards the "new episodes" of The Simpsons. Sure, they're not as good as some of the older ones, but it's still funny and better than most of the stuff on TV.
 

666thHeretic

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At less than a minute in, it was clear this was about CAD. I'm not even done the video, and he's listed all the major characteristics of that abomination.
 

Saccha

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Out of gaming comics I really like Fanboys. It does follow the two-boys-one-girl-and-she's-the-mc's-girlfriend, but it still manages to feel more fresh then any of the other gaming comics I've read. First off, the main character is not based on the creator (though I guess he looks vaguely like him) and all of the other characters feel well-rounded and human.
The drama is light, and the characters like to flaunt their respective stereotype.
 

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LordMonty said:
What I like is Penny Arcade, PvPonline, The Adventures of Dr McNinja and Looking For Group
Except for PvP, I agree completely. Dr McNinja is the best thing ever. ("Yeah...you're adorable. You've inspired me. I'm gonna paint an adorable little bunny rabbit on the wall right now. With your adorable blood.")
 

KrabbiPatty

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I guess i'm the only one who finds it sad a grown man spent time to make a video to explain to everyone how much he hates a webcomic. But then again, i also find it sad that South Park is still on TV while Firefly was canceled after one season. Obviously there is no God nor is there an ounce of justice in the universe, thus explaining Yhatzee's popularity, South Park's continued existence and Sara Silverman being born, all at once.
 

KrabbiPatty

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Uh...yes?

I knew if i said i hated South Park someone would flame me. Well let me shock you again, i hate Penny Arcade too. It's about as funny as a kick to the head. But then i find 99% of all webcomics earthshatteringly unfunny.

VG Cats is hit or miss though, but i'm not a fan of it either.

Oh i guess my internet ego should be wounded. Wait let me find it...