Zero Punctuation: Webcomics

[edinflames]

Nice one Yahtzee, keep p*ssing off the fanboys, its what you do best.

Some of the defensive reactions to this latest vid are funnier to me (having never heard of CAD or Buckley) than the review itself (David_Cat, I'm looking at you). Really is worth finding the thread on CAD forums, I did so just so I could laugh at the fanboy RAGE.

I honestly don't understand why fans of various crap media products can't just admit that it is crap despite their adoration. For example, I (until the BBC dropped it and I got a job...) watched Neighbours (the shockingly cheesy Austrailian soap inport) every day. Its utter rubbish, but I liked it anyway, it took me away to an Austrialian fantasyland full of beautiful people where problems can be resolved through conversation with the chap/chapess next-door, for 25 minutes. Its crap and I like it.

So, henceforth, lets be honest with one another, Penny Arcade aside (perhaps even PA...), webcomics are generally sh*t. That is why they are on the internet and not a quality publication. That is why the authors/artists behind webcomics are not being *paid* by someone to do what they do, instead earning irregular sums of money through shoddy merchandise and click-advertising.

 

[The Sound Defense]

I am a fan of CAD and I thought the digs at it were funny.

Anyone else think that Buckley is going to retaliate in his comic? I sure hope so.

*grabs popcorn*

I doubt it. Tim is too mature

Wait; what?

Have you ever seen Tim attack Yahtzee?

I need to second this, as Yahtzee has indeed publicly announced his dislike of CAD in the past and I have yet to see Buckley retaliate.

This doesn't exactly make him mature. I think he wants to put on a facade of maturity in this way by not directly attacking his more popular detractors. But it's a well-known fact that anyone who criticizes his comic on his forums, even constructively, is lashed out at and often banned. He's not exactly mature.

Too right. Having a look at CAD over the years I kind of drew the conclusion that Buckley is anything but mature.

He just did a miscarriage storyline, and did it well. He is mature.

A single miscarriage storyline compared to years of jokes including Solid Snake attempting to have sex with Link from the Zelda series. Ah yes, very mature.

That doesn't make him immature.

And your single instance of mature behavior doesn't make him mature, especially when compared to years of acting like he does toward his detractors.

 

[SirCharliePrickingdale]

Great video as always Yahtzee this one I like more than usual because it reminded me of charlie brooker talking about tv editing.

 

[David_Cat]

I am a fan of CAD and I thought the digs at it were funny.

Anyone else think that Buckley is going to retaliate in his comic? I sure hope so.

*grabs popcorn*

I doubt it. Tim is too mature

Wait; what?

Have you ever seen Tim attack Yahtzee?

I need to second this, as Yahtzee has indeed publicly announced his dislike of CAD in the past and I have yet to see Buckley retaliate.

This doesn't exactly make him mature. I think he wants to put on a facade of maturity in this way by not directly attacking his more popular detractors. But it's a well-known fact that anyone who criticizes his comic on his forums, even constructively, is lashed out at and often banned. He's not exactly mature.

Too right. Having a look at CAD over the years I kind of drew the conclusion that Buckley is anything but mature.

He just did a miscarriage storyline, and did it well. He is mature.

A single miscarriage storyline compared to years of jokes including Solid Snake attempting to have sex with Link from the Zelda series. Ah yes, very mature.

That doesn't make him immature.

And your single instance of mature behavior doesn't make him mature, especially when compared to years of acting like he does toward his detractors.

Can you blame him for acting like that? Most of his detractors think they are being so witty by calling him Fuckley.

 

[Evilducks]

Can you blame him for acting like that? Most of his detractors think they are being so witty by calling him Fuckley.

That doesn't make it mature.

 

[The Sound Defense]

I am a fan of CAD and I thought the digs at it were funny.

Anyone else think that Buckley is going to retaliate in his comic? I sure hope so.

*grabs popcorn*

I doubt it. Tim is too mature

Wait; what?

Have you ever seen Tim attack Yahtzee?

I need to second this, as Yahtzee has indeed publicly announced his dislike of CAD in the past and I have yet to see Buckley retaliate.

This doesn't exactly make him mature. I think he wants to put on a facade of maturity in this way by not directly attacking his more popular detractors. But it's a well-known fact that anyone who criticizes his comic on his forums, even constructively, is lashed out at and often banned. He's not exactly mature.

Too right. Having a look at CAD over the years I kind of drew the conclusion that Buckley is anything but mature.

He just did a miscarriage storyline, and did it well. He is mature.

A single miscarriage storyline compared to years of jokes including Solid Snake attempting to have sex with Link from the Zelda series. Ah yes, very mature.

That doesn't make him immature.

And your single instance of mature behavior doesn't make him mature, especially when compared to years of acting like he does toward his detractors.

Can you blame him for acting like that? Most of his detractors think they are being so witty by calling him Fuckley.

Do you even know anything about the discussion at hand? Have you ever tried to go on the CAD forums and make even a single instance of constructive criticism? BANNED. The guy has no tolerance for anything besides words of absolute praise. Tell me what the bloody hell is mature about that?

 

[David_Cat]

Can you blame him for acting like that? Most of his detractors think they are being so witty by calling him Fuckley.

That doesn't make it mature.

No, but it doesn't make it immature.

 

[David_Cat]

I am a fan of CAD and I thought the digs at it were funny.

Anyone else think that Buckley is going to retaliate in his comic? I sure hope so.

*grabs popcorn*

I doubt it. Tim is too mature

Wait; what?

Have you ever seen Tim attack Yahtzee?

I need to second this, as Yahtzee has indeed publicly announced his dislike of CAD in the past and I have yet to see Buckley retaliate.

This doesn't exactly make him mature. I think he wants to put on a facade of maturity in this way by not directly attacking his more popular detractors. But it's a well-known fact that anyone who criticizes his comic on his forums, even constructively, is lashed out at and often banned. He's not exactly mature.

Too right. Having a look at CAD over the years I kind of drew the conclusion that Buckley is anything but mature.

He just did a miscarriage storyline, and did it well. He is mature.

A single miscarriage storyline compared to years of jokes including Solid Snake attempting to have sex with Link from the Zelda series. Ah yes, very mature.

That doesn't make him immature.

And your single instance of mature behavior doesn't make him mature, especially when compared to years of acting like he does toward his detractors.

Can you blame him for acting like that? Most of his detractors think they are being so witty by calling him Fuckley.

Do you even know anything about the discussion at hand? Have you ever tried to go on the CAD forums and make even a single instance of constructive criticism? BANNED. The guy has no tolerance for anything besides words of absolute praise. Tell me what the bloody hell is mature about that?

If you can give me an example of this happening, then I may listen.

 

[mcderek3000]

In the interest of pointing out good webcomics, anyone yet mentioned Fanboys?

http://fanboys-online.com/

 

[Plowking]

He's immature, arrogant, and a total prick. He's stated in his newsposts how much he 'hates his fellow man' then thanks 'from the bottom of his heart' his fans for supporting his miscarriage. He's a one-sided self-important idiot who attempts to be fair through a guise of retoric in his posts.

His unfunny comics are all about someone stabbing another for not 'conforming' - read them and see...and this is how he acts in life (minus the stabbing of course )

 

[TheFunkeyGibbon]

It just goes to show how badly you can mis-read something then doesn't it? I haven't read CAD in ages - it got dull after about 3 weeks of reading (and reading and reading...).

My point, so you can 'get it' this time, it that this EP of ZP was FUCKING BORING. Ripping on comics is shooting fish in a barrel. At least with games you have to make some effort at deconstruction of their flaws. Webcomics aren't worthy of the Yahtzee treatment. So, yes it one sense I didn't like the the target - just like I wouldn't like it if Led Zep started doing boyband covers.

 

[spoonytrain]

How do you know someone is not mature if you don't actually know them?

And how does not responding to harsh bashing and locking posts make him immature? At least he's trying to stop his own rabid fanboys from attacking Yahtzee

 

[The Sound Defense]

It just goes to show how badly you can mis-read something then doesn't it? I haven't read CAD in ages - it got dull after about 3 weeks of reading (and reading and reading...).

My point, so you can 'get it' this time, it that this EP of ZP was FUCKING BORING. Ripping on comics is shooting fish in a barrel. At least with games you have to make some effort at deconstruction of their flaws. Webcomics aren't worthy of the Yahtzee treatment. So, yes it one sense I didn't like the the target - just like I wouldn't like it if Led Zep started doing boyband covers.

Well feel free to express yourself clearly next time. Rage withdrawn.

As for examples, I read about them here and there but never managed to hold onto any. Can anyone help me out?

 

[CodeChrono]

Ironically speaking, it was Yahtzee that got me into reading CAD. I can't remember where, but at some point he made a reference to how bad CAD was ( I think on FullyRambliotic), and I was entitled to read the web comic to see if it was justified. First off, let me say that I love reading CAD. I love the characters, I like the story, and I find the humor to be somewhat funny at times.

I, however, find myself agreeing with Yahtzee on this one. There is nothing more infuriating than what the author does to his own work. I have for so long desired to see some change in the art style, as well as a take back to where the story originally started out with. Currently the plot is irritating because it has taken a turn into a more “serious” plot as Yahtzee said. It's taking away from what is actually good about the comic.

However, I will still faithfully continue reading the comic. Why? Because I like that sort of webcomic. Although there are plenty of others out there.

I highly suggest Least I Could do for the 18+ audience, as it's a pretty good webcomic. Sure, it started off HORRIBLY, but as of late, its artstyle has changed for the better (much better!) and the plotline tends to be much more realistic.


Edit: I find it ironic that Yahtzee used a PS2 Controller scepter as a drum banger that looks identical to the one that the main character in CAD uses during the winter months.
Also, 8-Bit-Theatre for the fantasy RPG person in us all. :O

 

[edinflames]

It just goes to show how badly you can mis-read something then doesn't it? I haven't read CAD in ages - it got dull after about 3 weeks of reading (and reading and reading...).

My point, so you can 'get it' this time, it that this EP of ZP was FUCKING BORING. Ripping on comics is shooting fish in a barrel. At least with games you have to make some effort at deconstruction of their flaws. Webcomics aren't worthy of the Yahtzee treatment. So, yes it one sense I didn't like the the target - just like I wouldn't like it if Led Zep started doing boyband covers.

I wouldn't say boring, I too would rather see a game reviewed.

But you are correct, attacking webcomics for sh*ttyness is like accusing the grass of being green.

 

[Arbitrary13]

I remember when I first stumbled across Zero Punctuation when the BioShock review had recently gone up. I laughed so hard that I nearly passed out for lack of breathing. That's gone steadily downhill and, for the life of me, I cannot figure out why. Maybe the format of ZP has just become familiar enough that I don't laugh 'til I cry.

Either way, though, if this feature has already managed to jump the shark by completely ignoring its stated purpose to further an obsessive hatred with a webcomic, I guess that doesn't speak too well for the Escapist. Frankly, ZP is the only thing keeping the site afloat from what I can tell because there's precious little that can be tolerated beyond it.

Could this just go back to making fun of games instead of whining about the demands of forum-goers or bashing on something that is almost completely unrelated? I've read CAD for years and I see plenty of legitimacy in what is being said here, but I think the major point of contention ought to be that it hasn't been a "gaming" comic for ages. It's a sitcom (sitcomic?). That won't serve to convince anyone, of course.

I suspect someone ought to remind Mr Croshaw that calling attention to something tends to only work in its favor, whereas creating feuds will usually disrupt one's fanbase. In a twisted world, I could almost convince myself that this is a backhanded attempt to bring more publicity to what is, effectively, a bad Penny Arcade clone that jumped off that particular track years ago. It just hurts ZP to keep distracting from game reviewing like this, though. Sooner or later we'll have a video equivalent of Catsby and Twisp or Chef Brian or whatever abysmal non-sequitur nonsense web authors who lack appropriate editors churn out when they've scraped straight through the bottom of the barrel.

 

[Melaisis]

Your Webcomic Sucks did it first (and Yahtzee builds on almost all of the prior points the guys at YWS made originally) but kudos for the beginning and ending songs, though.

However, I am wondering why there hasn't been a mainstream video release being reviewed in a while (aside from MGS4 - which was pointless as The Escapist did a review of it anyway on the Monday?); perhaps publishers are getting wary of ZP's tremendous critique.

 

[SaneIntolerant]

I am a fan of CAD and I thought the digs at it were funny.

Anyone else think that Buckley is going to retaliate in his comic? I sure hope so.

*grabs popcorn*

I doubt it. Tim is too mature

Wait; what?

Have you ever seen Tim attack Yahtzee?

I need to second this, as Yahtzee has indeed publicly announced his dislike of CAD in the past and I have yet to see Buckley retaliate.

This doesn't exactly make him mature. I think he wants to put on a facade of maturity in this way by not directly attacking his more popular detractors. But it's a well-known fact that anyone who criticizes his comic on his forums, even constructively, is lashed out at and often banned. He's not exactly mature.

Too right. Having a look at CAD over the years I kind of drew the conclusion that Buckley is anything but mature.

He just did a miscarriage storyline, and did it well. He is mature.

A single miscarriage storyline compared to years of jokes including Solid Snake attempting to have sex with Link from the Zelda series. Ah yes, very mature.

That doesn't make him immature.

And your single instance of mature behavior doesn't make him mature, especially when compared to years of acting like he does toward his detractors.

Can you blame him for acting like that? Most of his detractors think they are being so witty by calling him Fuckley.

Apologies to the mods in advance, but this guy is pissing me off with his retardation.


STFU YOU LIKE A SHITTY WEBCOMIC, FACE THE MOTHERF*CKING TRUTH AND GET THE HELL OFF THIS THREAD.

just because YOU like it, doesnt mean it isn't SHIT.

If someone said the exact same thing about ZP, you'd deny it until the end of days, I'm sure.

 

[jeo suprima]

oww gosh, yatzhee you old meanie! now everybody knows that the truth can be the biggest insult!
keep up the good work!

 

[miller483]

I suppose would of found it more interesting and funny if i read web comics.

My sentiments exactly.

Agreed.