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Matt Walsh has pointed to this Fox segment as divisive, corrosive, destructive and probably some other words I'm forgetting and wants it cancelled

Can you guess what the segment was about?


I really like the part where Walsh says Conservatives never want to hear this stuff. And it somehow targeting white men somehow

This segment has got to be some of the most inoffensive reporting I've ever seen
 

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Sounds awfully like a lazy excuse. So people can act abusive, or act in such a way as to cause demonstrable harm, but if they claim its not motivated by hate then they get a pass? Yeah, nah.

In fact, what you seem to be describing is the very essence of virtue signalling: judge me on what I say, not on what I do!
No, you're not supposed to even say that you feel that way, that's the point. This matter is inherently personal and private and should not be broadcast publicly in search of congratulatory reactions or to explain away combative communications. Of course people can lie and claim they feel this way. At the same time, you really can feel one way and act in ways that go against that, which constitutes a sacrifice. You can sacrifice something you value for a greater goal, which is not the same as not caring about something, and to take that away from someone cheapens the emotional weight of their actions, which is a terrible thing to do.

The bigger problem is the definitions of things as abusive and other such negative things. people jump the gun on those types of definitions too fast. It may just be because a lot of mindless trolling does take place in some of those bigger social medias, I dunno cause I never used facebook and mainly just lurk on twitter reading gaming and anime related news and what voice actors eat or what have you with minimal posting on my end, but either way I just don't jump into thinking someone's trying to actively bully me when they disagree or seem rude. Most of the time it's people from different cultural backgrounds who are cool with ripping on people and if you just stand your ground and talk shit back they just go on and engage in more meaningful discussions.

I think you've misinterpreted the 'average' person. Most of them have been attacked for being LBGT etc. They are constantly being attacked verbally and physically (see U-haul van.) And, as American movies have shown, you HAVE to attack bullies...

Social media accounts of big corporations who pretend they are being attacked... that's a different story

Me, if I'm going to say something negative, I try to put proviso up as much as I can think to make sure my words don't match up with anti-LBGT rhetoric

So...I get what you mean, I really do. At the same time I just don't think it's a reasonable burden to put on oneself. I think you're bending yourself into a pretzel so you can shield the feelings of people you (presumably) had no hand in hurting personally. I would legit just stop posting somewhere before compromising myself to that degree. But either way, it's a cool perspective to see.

Also I think most of this is just social media algorithms broadcasting to people all those hate events and that they wouldn't normally be seeing quite as much of it on average unless they live with like, hateful parents or something.






...so, I get the idea behind burning people for heresy.
Haha, this person has skipped sunday school or religious studies, whatever it is they do in the south. In the original ancient greek version of the bible there was a giant earthquake that shook the earth when he died on the cross. I assure you if you can cause earthquakes you can topple a couple roman legions. Alas, most people never cared for the lore in these stories.
 
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No, you're not supposed to even say that you feel that way, that's the point. This matter is inherently personal and private and should not be broadcast publicly in search of congratulatory reactions or to explain away combative communications.
So you want a situation where... People don't bother to explain their actions, but we also aren't allowed to judge them on those actions because they might secretly be pure-of-heart.

What a weird, stultifying vision for humanity. Fuck that, its just shutting down criticism and discussion for no good reason.

At the same time, you really can feel one way and act in ways that go against that, which constitutes a sacrifice. You can sacrifice something you value for a greater goal, which is not the same as not caring about something, and to take that away from someone cheapens the emotional weight of their actions, which is a terrible thing to do.
But you want them to not explain themselves when they take such actions.

So essentially, when someone does something harmful or damaging, you want us to... just assume they did it for a good reason, without any evidence or basis for that assumption.

This is all completely ludicrous.
 

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So you want a situation where... People don't bother to explain their actions, but we also aren't allowed to judge them on those actions because they might secretly be pure-of-heart.

What a weird, stultifying vision for humanity. Fuck that, its just shutting down criticism and discussion for no good reason.



But you want them to not explain themselves when they take such actions.

So essentially, when someone does something harmful or damaging, you want us to... just assume they did it for a good reason, without any evidence or basis for that assumption.

This is all completely ludicrous.
You can't know for sure either way since as we've established people can lie. What you wanna do is just remove any pretension of knowing because you at least rob people of the capacity to lie for some sort of gain, so a larger percentage of conduct will be actually in line with people's feelings.

Notice, the issue most pressing isn't harmful acts being committed by a conflicted hand, wavering with guilt. No, the issue is neutral-to-beneficial acts being carried out in a mercenary capacity by people seeking to self-promote but who do not actually care a lick about whatever they're championing.

When you have such a state of affairs, it tarnishes even the true believers who actually care about an issue, and mars them all with the mark of the opportunist. Also, any such support is hollow and will shift with the wind just like how homophobic and sexist companies of 10-20 years ago all promote politically correct causes now. Remember the softcore porn carl's jr. ads? Those weren't made by internet sexists, they were made by a corporation that now pretends to be for the pound me too movement.

When your cause is supported on a mercenary capacity, that support is only gonna be there for as long as its profitable. People are making the gamble that it's never NOT going to be profitable to be for modern SJW politics, but that's very much ignorant since these things swing one way and then the other like a pendulum. It is a lot more helpful to just have a consistent, true amount of support all the time, than to rely on this bloated bubble of support that will inevitably burst.


That all is much, much more pressing than being able to "get" people for being actually evil on the inside.
 
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So the "Queen of Canada" has decreed that all "her subjects" are free from debts and utility costs, and all companies are to submit invoices to the "Canada Account". Naturally, hordes of idiots have decided to stop paying their bills, and are pulling Surprised Pikachu Faces when their possessions are repossessed and utilities are shut off.

...oh, sorry, I made a mistake there. The "Queen of the World".
Ok, I've no great love for Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God Queen of Australia and Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth. But I think I'm obliged to defend my monarch against this usurper, and I'm ok with that this time. I think that's "off with her head" levels of treason.
 
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So you want a situation where... People don't bother to explain their actions, but we also aren't allowed to judge them on those actions because they might secretly be pure-of-heart.
That's got to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. This is why I have so many problems with Dreiko. He don't get shit, and acts surprised why people get upset with him or disagree with him.
 

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First right wingers make me want to support the Queen, next they make me want to support the police in Idaho.
 

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I really like the part where Walsh says Conservatives never want to hear this stuff. And it somehow targeting white men somehow
Fox News now serves the same function as the NRA: A bastion for scared white men who can't handle a world which no longer reveres them for being "smart" and "brave" for having been born as the most privileged class in the world. It pats their hand and tells them "there, there, we know how much better you are than those people; we'll put them back in their place, you just watch".
 

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You can't know for sure either way since as we've established people can lie. What you wanna do is just remove any pretension of knowing because you at least rob people of the capacity to lie for some sort of gain, so a larger percentage of conduct will be actually in line with people's feelings.

Notice, the issue most pressing isn't harmful acts being committed by a conflicted hand, wavering with guilt. No, the issue is neutral-to-beneficial acts being carried out in a mercenary capacity by people seeking to self-promote but who do not actually care a lick about whatever they're championing.

When you have such a state of affairs, it tarnishes even the true believers who actually care about an issue, and mars them all with the mark of the opportunist. Also, any such support is hollow and will shift with the wind just like how homophobic and sexist companies of 10-20 years ago all promote politically correct causes now. Remember the softcore porn carl's jr. ads? Those weren't made by internet sexists, they were made by a corporation that now pretends to be for the pound me too movement.

When your cause is supported on a mercenary capacity, that support is only gonna be there for as long as its profitable. People are making the gamble that it's never NOT going to be profitable to be for modern SJW politics, but that's very much ignorant since these things swing one way and then the other like a pendulum. It is a lot more helpful to just have a consistent, true amount of support all the time, than to rely on this bloated bubble of support that will inevitably burst.


That all is much, much more pressing than being able to "get" people for being actually evil on the inside.
Everything you've written here is functionally at odds with your suggested solution.

The only way to avoid getting taken in by performative, empty support is to judge people on their actions and impacts. But you specifically said we shouldn't do that. You essentially want us to judge on neither actions nor words, leaving us with just... no criticism at all, just meek acceptance of shitty behaviour.
 
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Another sigh masks another inner scream.

It’s primary season, but there was a special election in Texas on Tuesday in which Republican Mayra Flores defeated Democrat Dan Sanchez to secure a spot in Congress. The result is significant because the state’s 34th District had been blue, with Democrat Filemon Vega retiring this year to force the special election to carry out the remainder of his term. Flores’ victory in South Texas is another sign the party is losing ground with the state’s Hispanic population.

It’s also significant because Flores has promoted the QAnon conspiracy theory, which holds that the United States is run by a cabal of Satan-worshipping pedophiles who would — or still will — be brought to justice by Donald Trump. Media Matters points out that Flores frequently adds “#Q” and “#QAnon” to her social media posts, as well as “#wwg1wga,” shorthand for “Where We Go One, We Go All,” a QAnon slogan.

Flores has denied she believes in QAnon, telling the San Antonio Express-News that she’s “always been against any of that.”

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.), the most prominent QAnon supporter currently in Congress, has made similar denials. Her win in 2020 was alarming given the litany of outlandish conspiracy theories she’d pushed in the past, from the idea that 9/11 was staged, to the idea that California wildfires were started deliberately by Jews, to several theories revolving around Democrats and pedophilia. These types of ludicrous, unfounded claims have since worked their way into mainstream conservatism, and it’s no longer shocking for Republican congressional candidates to have pushed any number of unfounded conspiracy theories — including, of course, that the 2020 election was fraudulent.

There’s no evidence Flores has articulated any of these views, but it’s nonetheless concerning that she doesn’t seem to have any problem aligning herself with QAnon. Her decision to do so is another reminder that the conspiracy theory and all of its tendrils aren’t only flourishing on the fringes. QAnon followers are now a core demographic many Republicans feel they need to court as they vie to win a seat in Congress. Flores will still have to win the general election in November to retain the seat beyond the remainder of Vega’s term, but for now, at least, conspiracy theorists can rest easy knowing they have one more ally in Washington.

 

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Directly connected to trump and Jan 6th, because of course.





Oh look, didn't fucking see this one coming 🙄



SANTA FE, N.M. — New Mexico’s secretary of state on Tuesday asked the state Supreme Court to order the Republican-led commission of rural Otero County to certify primary election results after it refused to do so over distrust of Dominion vote-tallying machines.

Democratic Secretary of State Maggie Toulouse Olive’s request came a day after the three-member Otero County commission, in its role as a county canvassing board, voted unanimously against certifying the results of the June 7 primary without raising specific concerns about discrepancies.

The commission’s members include Cowboys for Trump co-founder Couy Griffin, who ascribes to unsubstantiated claims that former President Donald Trump won the 2020 election. Griffin was convicted of illegally entering restricted U.S. Capitol grounds — though not the building — amid the riots on Jan. 6, 2021, and is scheduled for sentencing later this month. He acknowledged that the standoff over this primary could delay the outcome of local election races.

“I have huge concerns with these voting machines,” Otero County Commissioner Vickie Marquardt said Monday. “When I certify stuff that I don’t know is right, I feel like I’m being dishonest because in my heart I don’t know if it is right.”

The commission’s vote is the latest example of how conspiracy theories and misinformation are affecting the integrity of local elections across the U.S. Trump has continued to describe the 2020 election as “rigged” or “stolen,” despite a coalition of top government and industry officials calling it the “most secure in American history.”

Dominion’s systems also have been unjustifiably attacked since the 2020 election by people who embraced the false belief that the election was stolen from Trump. The company has filed defamation lawsuits in response to incorrect and outrageous claims made by high-profile Trump allies.

New Mexico’s Dominion machines have been disparaged repeatedly by David and Erin Clements of Las Cruces in their review of the 2020 election in Otero County and voter registration rolls at the request of the commission. The Clements are traveling advocates for “forensic” reviews of the 2020 election and offer their services as election experts and auditors to local governments. Election officials including County Clerk Robyn Holmes say the Clements are not certified auditors nor experts in election protocols.

The couple has highlighted problems during sporadic, hourslong presentations to the commission this year. Local election officials dispute many of the findings as mistaken or unfounded.

County canvassing boards have until June 17 to certify election results, prior to state certification and preparation of general election ballots.

Under state law, county canvass boards can call on a voting precinct board to address specific discrepancies, but no discrepancies were identified on Monday by the Otero commission.

“The post-election canvassing process is a key component of how we maintain our high levels of election integrity in New Mexico and the Otero County Commission is flaunting that process by appeasing unfounded conspiracy theories and potentially nullifying the votes of every Otero County voter who participated in the primary,” Toulouse Oliver said in a statement. She accused the commission of willful violations of the state election code.

New Mexico uses paper ballots that can be double-checked later in all elections, and also relies on tabulation machines to rapidly tally votes while minimizing human error. Election results also are audited by random samplings to verify levels of accuracy in the vote count.

The Otero County commission voted last week to recount ballots from the statewide primary election by hand, remove state-mandated ballot drop boxes that facilitate absentee voting and discontinue the use of Dominion vote tabulation machines in the general election.

On Monday, Holmes said those instructions from the county commissions conflict with state and federal election law, and that she would only recount the election by hand under a court order.

“The election law does not allow me to hand tally these ballots or to even form a board to do it. I just can’t,” said Holmes, a Republican. “And I’m going to follow the law.”

Holmes noted that the state-owned vote tabulation machines from Dominion are tested by Otero County officials in public view and that the machines also are independently certified in advance. Griffin said he and fellow commissioners don’t see the process as trustworthy.

“That’s a source that we don’t have any control or influence over,” he said.

Mario Jimenez of the progressive watchdog group Common Cause New Mexico said the public can view testing of vote-tallying machines prior to elections in every county, and that certification notices are posted on every machine where voters can see them.

“They have no basis — other than ‘we just don’t trust the machine’ — for not certifying the election,” Jimenez said of the Otero County commissioners.

Though Trump won nearly 62% of the vote in Otero County in 2020, county commissioners have said they are not satisfied with results of the state’s audit of the vote count nor assurances by their Republican county clerk that elections this year will be accurate.

County commissioners could not immediately be reached for comment Tuesday.

Marquardt, the commissioner, laughed Monday at the suggestion that a court might intervene in the election dispute.

“And so then what? They’re going to send us to the pokey?” she said.
 
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Even the "Patriot double down" logo is stupid. Who the fuck doubles down on a hard 17?
Complete nutcases like this guy are part of the reason why the Founding Fathers specifically defined treason in the Constitution: So that people like him couldn't just scream "Treason!" and demand the deaths of people they don't like. (And the House Un-American Activities Committee was a complete farce which ruined the guy that ran it, so extra bonus nutcase points for wanting to bring that back. Where can we find someone to step up and say "at long last, have you no dignity"?)
 

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Everything you've written here is functionally at odds with your suggested solution.

The only way to avoid getting taken in by performative, empty support is to judge people on their actions and impacts. But you specifically said we shouldn't do that. You essentially want us to judge on neither actions nor words, leaving us with just... no criticism at all, just meek acceptance of shitty behaviour.
No see, you can judge the act, I'm not for lawlessness and anarchy. You just shouldn't attach a judgement of an act to a judgement of a person's soul or beliefs, cause you can't know that. If someone kills 10 people they killed 10 people, doesn't matter if they had some lofty goal in mind. At the same time, a lot of acts which aren't illegal get treated as though they breached some arbitrary social law that people believe is in place when it is not, simply cause they think it ought to be in place, and that stuff all needs to cease being nitpicked.


When you do an act, both good and bad, you should be judged on the literal effects of the act, not on what it indicates you would do in a different set of circumstances based on the subjective view of random internet denizens. They are not equipped to make that decision.
 

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No see, you can judge the act, I'm not for lawlessness and anarchy. You just shouldn't attach a judgement of an act to a judgement of a person's soul or beliefs, cause you can't know that. If someone kills 10 people they killed 10 people, doesn't matter if they had some lofty goal in mind. At the same time, a lot of acts which aren't illegal get treated as though they breached some arbitrary social law that people believe is in place when it is not, simply cause they think it ought to be in place, and that stuff all needs to cease being nitpicked.


When you do an act, both good and bad, you should be judged on the literal effects of the act, not on what it indicates you would do in a different set of circumstances based on the subjective view of random internet denizens. They are not equipped to make that decision.
This is a bit silly. Someone's actions provide the clearest indication of their guiding principles and beliefs, and therefore what they're likely to do in future.

I'll be honest: I get the impression you just don't like people being called mean words when they do shitty things.
 

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Even the "Patriot double down" logo is stupid. Who the fuck doubles down on a hard 17?

Complete nutcases like this guy are part of the reason why the Founding Fathers specifically defined treason in the Constitution: So that people like him couldn't just scream "Treason!" and demand the deaths of people they don't like. (And the House Un-American Activities Committee was a complete farce which ruined the guy that ran it, so extra bonus nutcase points for wanting to bring that back. Where can we find someone to step up and say "at long last, have you no dignity"?)
Democrats have been tripping over themselves to say "at long last, have you no dignity?"

It doesn't work if the person they're saying it and their supporters don't give a shit about being a hypocrite lusting for power
 
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So...I get what you mean, I really do. At the same time I just don't think it's a reasonable burden to put on oneself. I think you're bending yourself into a pretzel so you can shield the feelings of people you (presumably) had no hand in hurting personally. I would legit just stop posting somewhere before compromising myself to that degree. But either way, it's a cool perspective to see.
See, here's the rub. I usually have to spend a long time explaining how any of my ideas weren't ripped from Stalin. Because, of course, anything remotely that helps people is Communist and thus destructive to society and worthy of being genocided from existence.

This, apparently, is normal and is why socailised medicine is anathema in the US. You can see plenty of GOP members saying this. This was the basis of why slavery should be acceptable and why places like Haiti was treated as it was, so you know it's been this way for centuries. The only difference between now and then is that more people are allowed to speak at the table and some just use the same tactics against them

If you want this 'need to be nice' to be true, then it's true for everyone.
Also I think most of this is just social media algorithms broadcasting to people all those hate events and that they wouldn't normally be seeing quite as much of it on average unless they live with like, hateful parents or something
If you mean broadcasting hateful stuff like Matt Walsh, Sargon, Cernovich or Shapiro, I would give what you stated a somewhat pass. The algorithm taps into wants and desires of society and amplifies it. The biggest thing on YouTube is always overreacting conservatives screaming how evil lefties are. A normal conservative generally can't suceed because they aren't... overreacting. It why Queer as Folk and Transparent were only somewhat popular in those communities. They over dramatized and overreacted to gain popularity, not to be a stand in for the gay/trans community. Because we, as a soceity want drama, not real people