Ukraine

[Dalisclock]

No.
Problem: Ukrainian S-300 hit NATO country. They do it regularly. The solution is right.

So first off, that looks suspiciously like Russian Propaganda. Also, it doesn't change the fact Russia routinely fires missiles at Ukrainian civilian targets that in this case hit Poland and killed two people and might trigger a NATO article five.

Links to Russian Propaganda, Ignores Russian involvement in this while trying to deflect blame onto Ukraine.....this smells like Vatnik.

 

[Def]

So first off, that looks suspiciously like Russian Propaganda. Also, it doesn't change the fact Russia routinely fires missiles at Ukrainian civilian targets that in this case hit Poland and killed two people and might trigger a NATO article five.

Links to Russian Propaganda, Ignores Russian involvement in this while trying to deflect blame onto Ukraine.....this smells like Vatnik.

Sir, I didn't say how you smell. So, your identification the truth as russian propaganda is your own psychological problem.

 

[Dalisclock]

Sir, I didn't say how you smell. So, your identification the truth as russian propaganda is your own psychological problem.

I call them like I see them and you've yet to give me a reason to believe you're here for any other reason then to be a Putin/Russian Apologist.

Also, welcome to the "Ignore" filter. Clearly you have nothing to contribute here and I don't see that changing.

 

[Def]

I call them like I see them and you've yet to give me a reason to believe otherwise.

Also, welcome to the "Ignore" folder. Clearly you have nothing to contribute here and I don't see that changing.

Did Polish experts prove that those missiles were Russian?

 

[Def]

Also, welcome to the "Ignore" filter. Clearly you have nothing to contribute here and I don't see that changing.

When the time comes for concrete evidence, the demagogues leave. As always.

 

[thebobmaster]

Did Polish experts prove that those missiles were Russian?

Did Russian experts prove that those missiles were Ukranian?

 

[Def]

Did Russian experts prove that those missiles were Ukranian?

Russian experts do not have access to the wreckage.

 

[Thaluikhain]

How bout a compromise? Ukraine is banned from having those military assets in parts of Ukraine near Poland, and Russia is banned from having any military assets in or near Ukraine.

If you want, I'll add that Ukraine is not allowed to have military assets in Russia either, can't do fairer than that.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

How bout a compromise? Ukraine is banned from having those military assets in parts of Ukraine near Poland, and Russia is banned from having any military assets in or near Ukraine.

If you want, I'll add that Ukraine is not allowed to have military assets in Russia either, can't do fairer than that.

Does Igor have to give his Tor SAM launcher back?

 

[bluegate]

So first off, that looks suspiciously like Russian Propaganda. Also, it doesn't change the fact Russia routinely fires missiles at Ukrainian civilian targets that in this case hit Poland and killed two people and might trigger a NATO article five.

My bet would be that NATO is still too afraid of escalation to trigger Article 5 over a stray missile that killed "only" two civilians.

Russian tanks would have to roll up to Warsaw before anyone would dare say; "Maybe those Russians aren't here as tourists... Shall we ask them politely to leave?".

 

[Def]

Russian tanks would have to roll up to Warsaw

Russia-Poland war will be 101% nuclear

 

[Generals]

Sir, I didn't say how you smell. So, your identification the truth as russian propaganda is your own psychological problem.

No, the website you use is indeed Russian propaganda. No other sources corroborates that Ukraine shot down a Romanian fighter and the Romanian authorities have denied this.

 

[tstorm823]

No.
Problem: Ukrainian S-300 hit NATO country. They do it regularly. The solution is right.

Nobody here is going to fall for this.

 

[PsychedelicDiamond]

No.
Problem: Ukrainian S-300 hit NATO country. They do it regularly. The solution is right.

Da, cause for problems is resistance to glorious empire of Russia. Province of Ukraine needs submit to 100 year rule of his excellency Tsar Putin the Great.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Russian disinfo aside, it is admittedly seeming likely that Ukraine did fire those missiles.

Biden: 'Unlikely' missile that hit Poland fired from Russia

President Joe Biden says it was “unlikely” that a missile that killed two in NATO-ally Poland was fired from Russia

apnews.com

 

[Silvanus]

Russian disinfo aside, it is admittedly seeming likely that Ukraine did fire those missiles.

Biden: 'Unlikely' missile that hit Poland fired from Russia

President Joe Biden says it was “unlikely” that a missile that killed two in NATO-ally Poland was fired from Russia

apnews.com

Sort of. Biden said it's unlikely that the missile was fired from Russia according to trajectory data. But of course, the Russian military could also have fired it from occupied Ukrainian territory (or even from Belarus). Plus, the Polish government-- the authorities with the easiest access to the wreckage site-- has said it was "Russian-made" (though of course that also doesn't necessarily mean it was fired by Russia).

Analysts have said (based on wreckage photographs) that the remnants look quite similar to the S-300 munitions. Which are used by both Ukraine and Russia, frustratingly, so that doesn't help us hugely.

There's also the fact that it occurred when Russia launched over a hundred other missiles all over Ukraine, including into the West of the country. And the head of RT (which if of course state-sanctioned) gloated about it on Twitter.

But yeah. Far from certain. Could also be a Ukrainian air defence missile fired during the bombardment. Gotta wait for investigation.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Sort of. Biden said it's unlikely that the missile was fired from Russia according to trajectory data. But of course, the Russian military could also have fired it from occupied Ukrainian territory (or even from Belarus). Plus, the Polish government-- the authorities with the easiest access to the wreckage site-- has said it was "Russian-made" (though of course that also doesn't necessarily mean it was fired by Russia).

Analysts have said (based on wreckage photographs) that the remnants look quite similar to the S-300 munitions. Which are used by both Ukraine and Russia, frustratingly, so that doesn't help us hugely.

There's also the fact that it occurred when Russia launched over a hundred other missiles all over Ukraine, including into the West of the country. And the head of RT (which if of course state-sanctioned) gloated about it on Twitter.

But yeah. Far from certain. Could also be a Ukrainian air defence missile fired during the bombardment. Gotta wait for investigation.

Well they're "Russian made" in that they're Soviet made. Indeed we'll see if there's chicanery happening, but I mean Soviet equipment suffering malfunctions? 40 years later? Nahhhhh.

 

[Seanchaidh]

You guys are about twelve hours behind anti-NATO twitter on this one. Take your time catching up.

 

[Avnger]

You guys are about twelve hours behind anti-NATO twitter on this one. Take your time catching up.

The only thing "anti-NATO twitter" is ahead on is how far their heads are up their rears.

Remind me: What happened to the concerns about Russia invading Ukraine being "NATO fearmongering" again?

 

[Def]

The only thing "anti-NATO twitter" is ahead on is how far their heads are up their rears.

Remind me: What happened to the concerns about Russia invading Ukraine being "NATO fearmongering" again?

Anyone can easily predict an invasion if he provoked himself, provokes and will continue to provoke until the invasion actually begins. It works not only with Russia but also with China.