Ah yes, the ultimate provocation of doing ... nothing? Or was it the Ukrainians who dared telling Russia they wouldn't be their puppet state? Is that the provocation?
But hey, feel free to move to great Russia or China and live the dream.
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But hey, feel free to move to great Russia or China and live the dream.
Missile that hit Poland likely came from Ukraine defences, say Warsaw and Nato
Poland says no evidence to suggest missile was launched by Russia – but Kyiv insists ‘it was not our rocket’
www.theguardian.com
Poland currently believes it was indeed Ukrainian defensive systems misfiring.
The time difference between US/UK and Russia probably accounts for a few of those hours. The troll farms had a head start!
Wait how is agreeing that Ukraine is an independent country a ''provocation'' towards Russia? Ukraine objectively IS an independent nation and has been since the end of the cold war. If anything its Russia insisting it should still own Ukraine which is the provocation here.
Every step in this conflict has been Russia provoking Ukraine and the west, and then escalating matters when these provocations backfired.
"He made me fear for my safety by hitting my fist with his face."
Independence comes with full responsibility for decisions. Oppositely, dependence is a way to lose responsibility. Finland haven't done antirussian politics since the end of WW2, that's why USSR and Russia never touched it. But Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, and especially Ukraine were antirussian since 1991.
The main Ukrainian provocation before the Russian invasion is the resumption of the war with the breakaway republics on October 29, 2021. Russia has repeatedly persuaded Kyiv to peace before October 29 and after. Protecting allies is a Russian mission. Kyiv understood what it was doing. Later came responsibility.
What do you actually mean by "antirussian" politics, though? They've not acted aggressively towards Russia in the first instance-- not attacked it, crossed its border illegally, etc. Russia, on the other hand, has constantly threatened Ukraine with annihilation; invaded it twice; illegally sent disguised troops over the border; sponsored an insurgency for 8 years; massacred its population. Ukrainian actions have been reactions to those events.
Those "breakaway republics" are Russian-run insurgencies on Ukrainian land. The "provocation" there was Russia creating and funding those insurgencies in the first place, and effectively seizing control of a chunk of Ukrainian land via puppets.
Countries have a right to defend their territory when hostile states create paramilitary forces to take it over.
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1. NATO is the main potential enemy of Russia. Joining NATO and deploying American military bases on their territory is an anti-Russian politics.
2. They sponsored and supplied Russian enemies with mercenaries in wars in the Caucasus 1994-1996, 1999-2000, 2008.
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Ukraine did not join NATO, and America has no military bases on Ukrainian land. The only foreign military bases on Ukrainian land before the invasion were Russian.
Well, let's investigate that in a bit more depth. Who're we talking about here? Given the dates, it would seem you're talking about the Chechen Wars. The far-right UNSO did indeed provide support to Chechen separatists, though the Ukrainian government did not.
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Maybe because Russia keeps conquering and torturing them. Perhaps if Russia actually tried being a decent neighbor rather than immediately responding with extreme violence whenever they get mildly annoyed their neighbors wouldn't seek protection against them.
Maybe the responsibility lies with Russia for creating those ''Republics'' to begin with. What you're doing is victim blaming Ukraine for trying to reclaim lands that are legitimately theirs and which are under hostile occupation. Russia could instantly solve the problem by just retreating back to their borders and give Ukraine their territory back.
Not really. Because Russia has proven that if one of their neighbors is not in NATO that they'll seek to dominate and eventually conquer that neighbor. Ukraine wanting to join NATO is a pro Ukraine policy rather than an anti Russia one. Because Russia has proven that they can't be trusted not to invade their neighbors.
Also this whole mess did not start over NATO membership. It started with a trade deal between Ukraine and the EU that Russia tried to forbid Ukraine from making.
We knew it was an S-300 at around noon or two o'clock Pacific Standard Time (which is to say 30 to 32 hours ago at this point), iirc
One of those benefits of treating Zelensky as the liar he is.
One of the hazards of continually lying is that people stop caring what you think even when you're right.
Speaking of lying, how much would you say the CIA paid Caleb Maupin's accusers to claim he pressured them into sex work? Are we talking five figures, six figures? Asking for a friend..
The United States builds military facilities on the territory of Ukraine. As example, Ochakiv. It is not an American military base right now but the trend is clear. They build centers for training and coordination according to NATO standards, NATO instructors are there. This step is not friendly to Russia and is one of the casus belli.
What's the point of being 'friendly' to an evil country?
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Video shows sledgehammer execution of Russian mercenary
Russia's Yevgeny Prigozhin, a close ally of President Vladimir Putin, said on Sunday that a former mercenary who was filmed being executed by a sledgehammer blow to the head after changing sides in the Ukraine war was a traitor.
www.reuters.com
Why so many of the Russian leader's enemies die strange and 'excruciating' deaths
Billionaire Roman Abramovich is just the latest in a long line of people who suspect they may be the target of a Kremlin poison plot. Russia is well-practised in the art of chemical assassinations, but carrying out a murder using poison is inherently risky.
www.abc.net.au
Russia 'lying' over role in flight MH17 being shot down, say families of 298 victims at murder trial
Flight MH17 was shot down over Ukraine in July 2014, by what has been determined to be a Russian-made missile launcher fired by Russian-backed rebels.
UN report details horrifying Ukrainian accounts of rape, torture and executions by Russian troops
In preparing the report, the commission conducted 191 interviews and traveled to 27 cities over five separate visits.
Your links are demonizations of Russia. Each country has a huge list of such links, except Sweden, Finland, New Zealand, Australia, Switzerland, Iceland, Ireland. Other side of that exceptions: they don't influence the World. Russia wants to influence because, in its ideology, a multipolar balance is safer than American hegemony.
Moscow politely asked another evil country to stop building military facilities near Russia and stop training not friendly armies but Moscow was not heard.
Irrelevant whataboutery about things that happened before most of us were even born.
The only reason NATO didn't get dissolved after the Cold War was that Russia continued too be a threat to its neighbors. And refused to build the same kind of peaceful coexistence that nearly every other former Warsaw Pact member achieved.
Most Western European nations have been very friendly and accommodating towards Russia for a long time. But that was not reciprocated at all. Instead we got lies and betrayals.
And that is why "The West pushed Russia to do this" is so laughable as argument.
The only reason NATO didn't get dissolved after the Cold War was that Russia continued too be a threat to its neighbors. And refused to build the same kind of peaceful coexistence that nearly every other former Warsaw Pact member achieved.
Most Western European nations have been very friendly and accommodating towards Russia for a long time. But that was not reciprocated at all. Instead we got lies and betrayals.
And that is why "The West pushed Russia to do this" is so laughable as argument.
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The S-300 is used by both Ukraine and Russia.
Not just "right now"-- Ochakiv has never acted as an American military base.
If you consider the presence of foreign military facilities to be a casus belli, then presumably you also consider the numerous full Russian military bases on Ukrainian land to be far more unacceptable.
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