Conflict between Palestine and Israel escalates
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EXCLUSIVE: US makes failed bid for Iran to allow 'symbolic strike' by Israel
Washington used diplomatic backchannels to ask Tehran not to retaliate to an Israeli strike, which would allow Tel Aviv to 'save face' following the massive retaliatory attack launched by Iran
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Iran did the most kid's gloves retaliation (seriously, with the warning Israel had of the drones and missiles, did a single one even get through?) and Israel is still gonna hissy fit their way into dragging everyone into Hell with them...EXCLUSIVE: US makes failed bid for Iran to allow 'symbolic strike' by Israel
Washington used diplomatic backchannels to ask Tehran not to retaliate to an Israeli strike, which would allow Tel Aviv to 'save face' following the massive retaliatory attack launched by Iran
Oct. 7th, and if you’ve been poking a wounded dog for seven decades to the tune of a 318 billion dollar stick and don’t expect to be bitten back at some point, then maybe it’s time to step outside the box and see things from a different perspective. Hamas was created by the U.S.’s blank check towards enabling Israel’s reckless aggression btw. Palestinians (men especially with their treatment of women) are far from saints, but to imply their people as a whole (especially women and kids) aren’t the bigger victims here is ludicrously shortsighted and/or misguided.
As far as I know, Iranian hypersonic missiles damaged two of the military bases that had been used to assassinate their people or attack their embassy.
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If palestinians would calm down for awhile then they would have their own state or a one state solution would have been seen as more viable. But they are constantly fighting israel and when there is a deal they back out of it. Violence hasn't worked for them for decades, there is no reason for them to think it will work now. Netanyahu was only elected the first time after a string of palistinian suicide bombings before the 1996 election.
"Why are Palestinians in such a tizzy when Israel comes in and beats people's skulls open during a funeral? Honestly, they're just so dramatic."
There is zero chance this is true. Israel was created explicitly to be a Jewish state, and reiterated its identity as exclusively Jewish in 2018. Fundamental to its founding principle is the idea that it should uniquely cater to one specific group. That's incompatible with a one-state solution that treats different religious & ethnic groups equally.
Likud has also shown zero willingness to entertain the idea of a two-stats solution. Netanyahu has been working against that steadily, including during peacetime, using both legal and clandestine means.
There is also no reason to think passivity would work. Israel's government blocks their power, water and food sources, builds illegal settlements on their land, and allows settlers to commit violent crimes against them with impunity regardless.
It is in situations like this-- where every democratic or legal route has been denied or suppressed-- that disenfranchised and desperate people begin to consider violence.
Netanyahu knows this, and considers the violence a price worth paying to deny the chance of a Palestinian state-- hence why Likud sponsored Hamas, helping it take over and rule Gaza instead of the moderates.
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Please Google "The Great March of Return" to see what happens when Palestinians try to peacefully protest.
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Except they also have arab citizens and even legislators. Over 20% of israel's population is not jewish. One state is unlikely as fuck, but its much much more possible then them getting what they want with violence.
All that came after palastinian violence against israel. This is a back and forth and israel has much more capacity to do violence, so why are the palastinians so determined to give them a reason to do it? Right now, what we are seeing in gaza, this is israel going off the cuff in response to violence. Without October 7th, this doesn't happen. If you think that the only path forwards is violence, then you are in favor of what is happening now, because this is what will occur.
You might want to google the great march of return. It wasn't as peaceful as you are making it out.
...there is nothing nice I can possibly say about someone who says "Some people were violent and therefore all those unarmed people deserved to be killed (and many MANY more kneecapped by Israeli snipers)" so y'all can deal with the "As long as it doesn't interrupt my brunch, do whatever you want #VBNMW" centrist.
Without Oct 7, this doesn't happen on this scale, this fast, you still get decades of slow burn ethnic cleansing.
And without decades of ethnic cleansing, you don't get Oct 7.
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You don't have a growing population with ethnic cleansing. Palestine has had pretty strong population growth. Just over the last 10 years they grew by just over 1 million people.
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You are so bad faith. I never said they deserved it, I said it was an expected outcome. You are the one is encouraging them to violence and who wants to dance on the graves of palestinians so you can point to twitter to say "I have the correct opinion."
Oh, a Shin Bet fan, all is explained.
It's a genocide, get over it.
It's a genocide, get over it.
War crimes are only something the defeated parties have to worry about because it’s the victors who do the prosecuting. Also I have a sneaking suspicion Israel is not a signatory to the ICC, so unless another nation decides to invade and conquer them after this whole thing is finished, they in no more danger of being prosecuted for anything than the Allies were for the firebombing of Tokyo, the atomic bombing of both Hiroshima and Nagasaki or the bombing of Dresden. All of which have been argued - after the fact - as war crimes. But the Allies won, and winners get to dictate terms.
Generally yes, though there's always the chance of trade sanctions and the like, though Israel doesn't have to worry about that.
THERE'S A TIRE ROLLING. THERE'S A TIRE ROLLING... CBDR! I REPEAT, THERE'S A TIRE ROLLING CBDR! ACTION STATIONS! SET DEFENSE CONDITION ONE THROUGHOUT THE FENCE
Well, how that works can be seen in the West bank -> no steps forever towards a Palestinian state, more and more Israeli land grabs, constant discrimination, theft and violence from "settlers". And don't forget the random killings and arrests. Non-Violence does not work for Palestinians either.
And when both don't work, then the violence does look more appealing because of justice. And because it gets international attention.
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So what? Countries have persecuted minorities. The majority of South Africa's population during apartheid wasn't white.
This is categorically untrue. Settler violence against the Palestinians dates to the 40s.
Depends. If by Palestinians you mean Hamas, then its because the disproportionate retaliation of Israel alienates their international backers, and loses them support. If you mean Palestinians as a whole-- they haven't been able to vote since 2006, and even then did not elect Hamas to rule them unilaterally. Most Palestinians alive today never had a chance to vote due to the low average age. Hamas took over from their coalition partners in a coup-- and again, a reminder that Hamas was sponsored by Likud to expel the moderates.
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