Far Right Boogaloo Bois from Texas Are Who Set Fire to Police Precinct During George Floyd Protest in Minneapolis and Open Fired on Police

[lil devils x]

Wow, not one person addressed the substance of my post, ie the previous 4 indictments for arson. I also never defended the boogaloo boys. All in all, the responses here are pretty shocking. I find it odd that leftists are creaming themselves over a revelation that a boogaloo boy showed up to an arson as if that somehow negates the actions of hundreds of people.

"It’s not our fault we chanted 'burn it down' and then joined in burning down the precinct! The boogaloo boys made us do it when they showed up!"

The op is also incorrect that the boogaloo boy in question "opened fire on police." He opened fire on the precinct when it was already abandoned and being looted." That was a strange and incorrect way to phrase what the article actually said.

I don't think anyone said it negates the actions of the protests, we just already had multiple massive threads discussing those actions already. This was about the new revelations in the investigations. The fact that protesters did damage was already known. This was new information we were not aware of at the time. I was not aware that ANYONE here remotely thought protesters didn't do damage as well. It is just the shooting at police officers while they were in the building that these guys did + the fire that Trump said was why he needed to deploy the military and "dominate the streets". Trump blamed this on Antifa with no mention of the Boogs.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...ilitary-forces-to-deal-with-growing-protests/

How the president could invoke martial law

As we approach the 2020 election, some are concerned about martial law.

www.militarytimes.com

Trump tweet intimating military will fire on ‘looters’ in Minnesota sparks another warning from Twitter

Trump tweet over military involvement in Minnesota protests draws Twitter warning

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Trump, Barr tell governors to ‘dominate’ streets in response to unrest

President Donald Trump and Attorney General William Barr told governors in a conference call Monday that they should respond to unrest by 'dominating' the streets.

abcnews.go.com

 

[Revnak]

I don't think anyone said it negates the actions of the protests, we just already had multiple massive threads discussing those actions already. This was about the new revelations in the investigations. The fact that protesters did damage was already known. This was new information we were not aware of at the time. I was not aware that ANYONE here remotely thought protesters didn't do damage as well. It is just the shooting at police officers while they were in the building that these guys did + the fire that Trump said was why he needed to deploy the military and "dominate the streets"

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...ilitary-forces-to-deal-with-growing-protests/

How the president could invoke martial law

As we approach the 2020 election, some are concerned about martial law.

www.militarytimes.com

Trump tweet intimating military will fire on ‘looters’ in Minnesota sparks another warning from Twitter

Trump tweet over military involvement in Minnesota protests draws Twitter warning

www.militarytimes.com

I believe the original threads included explanations of who the Boogs were, that they were there, and ample speculation about which random figures may have actually been Boogs or right-wingers. The new information is just legal confirmation some of the acts were carried out by Boogs and the like, which would’ve been a reasonable assumption from day one.

 

[lil devils x]

I believe the original threads included explanations of who the Boogs were, that they were there, and ample speculation about which random figures may have actually been Boogs or right-wingers. The new information is just legal confirmation some of the acts were carried out by Boogs and the like, which would’ve been a reasonable assumption from day one.

There was speculation, this was just confirmation of rumors with exact details of what they did. They very well may have done more, had others there, we just find out for sure when those are confirmed by charges.

I don't take speculation for fact until I have actual evidence of such though. Trump, OTOH blamed the shooting and the fire on Antifa and said that was a reason to deploy the military with no mention of the Boogs.

 

[Revnak]

There was speculation, this was just confirmation of rumors with exact details of what they did. They very well may have done more, had others there, we just find out for sure when those are confirmed by charges.

I don't take speculation for fact until I have actual evidence of such though. Trump, OTOH blamed the shooting and the fire on Antifa and said that was a reason to deploy the military with no mention of the Boogs.

And some point you have to realize hypocrisy is a feature not a bug.

 

[lil devils x]

And some point you have to realize hypocrisy is a feature not a bug.

No one said it wasn't a feature. I have been saying Trump preemptively accuses everyone of doing what he himself is actually doing as a distraction this entire time. The crap he makes up about people isn't random, it is what he is worried he is about to be called out for that he just did. It often seems like all this crap he makes up is random, but it completely isn't when you find out what he actually did. It has nothing to actually do with anything his opponents really did however. It is really all just about him, like everything in his head.

 

[Gusphase]

I don't think anyone said it negates the actions of the protests, we just already had multiple massive threads discussing those actions already. This was about the new revelations in the investigations. The fact that protesters did damage was already known. This was new information we were not aware of at the time. I was not aware that ANYONE here remotely thought protesters didn't do damage as well. It is just the shooting at police officers while they were in the building that these guys did + the fire that Trump said was why he needed to deploy the military and "dominate the streets". Trump blamed this on Antifa with no mention of the Boogs.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...ilitary-forces-to-deal-with-growing-protests/

How the president could invoke martial law

As we approach the 2020 election, some are concerned about martial law.

www.militarytimes.com

Trump tweet intimating military will fire on ‘looters’ in Minnesota sparks another warning from Twitter

Trump tweet over military involvement in Minnesota protests draws Twitter warning

www.militarytimes.com

Trump, Barr tell governors to ‘dominate’ streets in response to unrest

President Donald Trump and Attorney General William Barr told governors in a conference call Monday that they should respond to unrest by 'dominating' the streets.

abcnews.go.com

First of all, "they" did not "shoot at police officers." One guy shot at a building that was being looted. The police were not in the building at the time. There were looters in the building at the time.

If it wasn't the intention of the op to imply that the destruction was primarily caused by boogaloos, that's fine, and I apologize for misinterpreting them. However, I'm seeing hundreds of people on Twitter and the comments sections of these articles acting as if NONE of the violence can be blamed on BLM, antifa, etc. And none of these articles are taking time to mention the earlier indictments, or to correct the comments under these articles.

I also don't really care about Trump, personally. That has nothing to do with what I was talking about.

There's no denying that the purpose of these articles, in the way they are written, is to push the idea that the violence and the destruction is at least mostly caused by "right wing agitators." Anytime somebody on Twitter brings up the violence and destruction at these protests, I see dozens of replies saying "my research shows that most or all of the violence is caused by outside agitators." Then they link to one of these articles.

The evidence has been clear for a while now that outside groups of all kinds have moved into these riots. That's what happens with riots. However, the vaaaaast majority of destruction has been caused by people who are at least sympathetic to the blm cause. Even Steven Carillo, the Hispanic boogaloo who killed cops, appears to be actually well aligned with the blm beliefs about police killings of black men. He even shows up to court with "Breanna Taylor" written on his face mask. There may be some white supremacist boogs, but every arrested boog appears to be anti white supremacy and pro blm. The two boogs arrested for trying to work with Hamas wrote about their plans to "kill some white supremacists." This is in court documents.

 

[Gusphase]

BTW, I decided to go back and check the op. You wrote this:

"So we heard a great deal about how the left was burning down the police station and that was why Trump should bring in the Military there in Minneapolis during the George Floyd Protests. Turns out it was not the left at all, but a far right Boogaloo Bois Member from Texas who was responsible as well as being responsible for opening fire on Police."

So you did say, "it wasn't the left, AT ALL"

 

[Gordon_4]

There was speculation, this was just confirmation of rumors with exact details of what they did. They very well may have done more, had others there, we just find out for sure when those are confirmed by charges.

I don't take speculation for fact until I have actual evidence of such though. Trump, OTOH blamed the shooting and the fire on Antifa and said that was a reason to deploy the military with no mention of the Boogs.

They really should just drop the pretence and start calling themselves Droogs.

 

[lil devils x]

First of all, "they" did not "shoot at police officers." One guy shot at a building that was being looted. The police were not in the building at the time. There were looters in the building at the time.

If it wasn't the intention of the op to imply that the destruction was primarily caused by boogaloos, that's fine, and I apologize for misinterpreting them. However, I'm seeing hundreds of people on Twitter and the comments sections of these articles acting as if NONE of the violence can be blamed on BLM, antifa, etc. And none of these articles are taking time to mention the earlier indictments, or to correct the comments under these articles.

I also don't really care about Trump, personally. That has nothing to do with what I was talking about.

There's no denying that the purpose of these articles, in the way they are written, is to push the idea that the violence and the destruction is at least mostly caused by "right wing agitators." Anytime somebody on Twitter brings up the violence and destruction at these protests, I see dozens of replies saying "my research shows that most or all of the violence is caused by outside agitators." Then they link to one of these articles.

The evidence has been clear for a while now that outside groups of all kinds have moved into these riots. That's what happens with riots. However, the vaaaaast majority of destruction has been caused by people who are at least sympathetic to the blm cause. Even Steven Carillo, the Hispanic boogaloo who killed cops, appears to be actually well aligned with the blm beliefs about police killings of black men. He even shows up to court with "Breanna Taylor" written on his face mask. There may be some white supremacist boogs, but every arrested boog appears to be anti white supremacy and pro blm. The two boogs arrested for trying to work with Hamas wrote about their plans to "kill some white supremacists." This is in court documents.

"The US Attorney's Office in Minnesota has charged Mr Hunter with one count of travelling across state lines with the intent to participate in a riot. Prosecutors allege Mr Hunter had travelled from Boerne, Texas, in an effort to incite unrest with other members of the Boogaloo Bois group."

" Mr Hunter is accused of firing 13 rounds from an AK-47 style semiautomatic rifle into the police department on 28 May."

"Prosecutors say when he returned to Texas, Mr Hunter referenced participating in violence in Minneapolis on social media, allegedly messaging someone saying that he "set fire to that precinct with the black community".

"Mr Hunter had an online affiliation with Steven Carrillo, another Boogaloo Bois member accused of murdering a federal officer in California."

A statement from the Minnesota US Attorney's office said Mr Hunter was arrested on 21 October in San Antonio, Texas, and appeared in court on 22 October.
Some are capitalising on the protests to engage in acts of violence against authorities. Three Boogaloo members were charged with terrorism offences in Nevada in June for alleged attempts to "spark violence" in protests."

Other far-right groups have also been suspected of trying to foment violence at recent racial justice protests."

George Floyd protests: 'Boogaloo' member held in precinct attack

A member of an extremist group has been charged with rioting during the May George Floyd protests.

www.bbc.com

FBI finds no evidence so far of Antifa’s involvement in unrest

The FBI has found no evidence that the American militant anti-fascist movement Antifa was involved in violence that erupted during national protests over the death of George Floyd.

www.ajc.com

As Trump blames antifa, protest records show scant evidence

WASHINGTON (AP) — Scott Nichols, a balloon artist, was riding home on his scooter from the protests engulfing Minneapolis last weekend when he was struck by a rubber bullet fired from a cluster of police officers in riot gear.

apnews.com

Little evidence of antifa links in U.S. prosecutions of those charged in protest violence

By Sarah N. Lynch, Mark Hosenball, Mica Rosenberg and Brad Heath

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While I agree that protesters were violent, I am not seeing that they had all this evidence that it was Antifa as Trump declared. It just looks like Trump lied and made up the BS about Antifa just like he lied and made up the BS about the planes full of thugs and shadow people controlling the streets.

 

[Revnak]

The evidence has been clear for a while now that outside groups of all kinds have moved into these riots. That's what happens with riots. However, the vaaaaast majority of destruction has been caused by people who are at least sympathetic to the blm cause. Even Steven Carillo, the Hispanic boogaloo who killed cops, appears to be actually well aligned with the blm beliefs about police killings of black men. He even shows up to court with "Breanna Taylor" written on his face mask. There may be some white supremacist boogs, but every arrested boog appears to be anti white supremacy and pro blm. The two boogs arrested for trying to work with Hamas wrote about their plans to "kill some white supremacists." This is in court documents.

“These guys whose entire ideology is a collection of chan memes and boomer militia culture gone awry aren’t extremely racist so really it’s the left who are to blame for them” is such a fucking hilarious take. I’m back to being a fan.

 

[Gusphase]

"The US Attorney's Office in Minnesota has charged Mr Hunter with one count of travelling across state lines with the intent to participate in a riot. Prosecutors allege Mr Hunter had travelled from Boerne, Texas, in an effort to incite unrest with other members of the Boogaloo Bois group."

" Mr Hunter is accused of firing 13 rounds from an AK-47 style semiautomatic rifle into the police department on 28 May."

"Prosecutors say when he returned to Texas, Mr Hunter referenced participating in violence in Minneapolis on social media, allegedly messaging someone saying that he "set fire to that precinct with the black community".

"Mr Hunter had an online affiliation with Steven Carrillo, another Boogaloo Bois member accused of murdering a federal officer in California."

A statement from the Minnesota US Attorney's office said Mr Hunter was arrested on 21 October in San Antonio, Texas, and appeared in court on 22 October.
Some are capitalising on the protests to engage in acts of violence against authorities. Three Boogaloo members were charged with terrorism offences in Nevada in June for alleged attempts to "spark violence" in protests."

Other far-right groups have also been suspected of trying to foment violence at recent racial justice protests."

George Floyd protests: 'Boogaloo' member held in precinct attack

A member of an extremist group has been charged with rioting during the May George Floyd protests.

www.bbc.com

FBI finds no evidence so far of Antifa’s involvement in unrest

The FBI has found no evidence that the American militant anti-fascist movement Antifa was involved in violence that erupted during national protests over the death of George Floyd.

www.ajc.com

As Trump blames antifa, protest records show scant evidence

WASHINGTON (AP) — Scott Nichols, a balloon artist, was riding home on his scooter from the protests engulfing Minneapolis last weekend when he was struck by a rubber bullet fired from a cluster of police officers in riot gear.

apnews.com

Little evidence of antifa links in U.S. prosecutions of those charged in protest violence

By Sarah N. Lynch, Mark Hosenball, Mica Rosenberg and Brad Heath

www.reuters.com

While I agree that protesters were violent, I am not seeing that they had all this evidence that it was Antifa as Trump declared. It just looks like Trump lied and made up the BS about Antifa just like he lied and made up the BS about the planes full of thugs and shadow people controlling the streets.

I directly said I'm not concerned with Trump. Nothing you posted dealt with what I said. You also didn't acknowledge your misstatement that "it wasn't the left, at all."

 

[Gusphase]

“These guys whose entire ideology is a collection of chan memes and boomer militia culture gone awry aren’t extremely racist so really it’s the left who are to blame for them” is such a fucking hilarious take. I’m back to being a fan.

Wait, when did I say that? I never said the left was "to blame" for the Boogaloo movement. My only statement was that, when you read the court documents on any of the arrested boogs, they clearly make anti police, anti racist, and pro blm statements. I'm not even really concerned with whether or not they are right wing or left wing.

 

[tstorm823]

I directly said I'm not concerned with Trump. Nothing you posted dealt with what I said. You also didn't acknowledge your misstatement that "it wasn't the left, at all."

There is little to gain in trying to pin rioters as "the left". Picking teams like that is how you push more people to senselessly defend criminals. In fairness, there's nothing to do about the communists here, they celebrate the violence regardless of who does it, but painting riots as a left wing thing does more to inspire support for the riots than it does to convince people to be less left wing.

 

[lil devils x]

I directly said I'm not concerned with Trump. Nothing you posted dealt with what I said. You also didn't acknowledge your misstatement that "it wasn't the left, at all."

I edited my OP to more accurately construe what I meant to " It wasn't Antifa" It does have to do with Trump, however, because he was the only one claiming it was Antifa in the first place when the FBI told us otherwise.

 

[lil devils x]

There is little to gain in trying to pin rioters as "the left". Picking teams like that is how you push more people to senselessly defend criminals. In fairness, there's nothing to do about the communists here, they celebrate the violence regardless of who does it, but painting riots as a left wing thing does more to inspire support for the riots than it does to convince people to be less left wing.

The issue was Trump was claiming it was Antifa, the FBI told us that was not the case, then the FBI tells us Boogs were involved.

We expect George Floyd protesters, we expect rioters and looters who take advantage, we expect people to be pissed off about the police violence, what we should not be forced to expect is the president making stuff up about Antifa and then it turns out to have been Boogs involved, not Antifa.

What has Trump said about Boogs at the Minneapolis protest yet instead of Antifa?

 

[Gusphase]

I edited my OP to more accurately construe what I meant to " It wasn't Antifa" It does have to do with Trump, however, because he was the only one claiming it was Antifa in the first place when the FBI told us otherwise.

But I never talked about Trump. And if I didn't point out what you originally said, it probably wouldn't have ever been changed. Will you at least admit that I was completely correct in that the portrayal of this latest indictment is being used to imply that the rioting and violence are entirely the fault of the right?

Also, you still say that he "opened fire on police." There is literally nobody reporting that. Also, you still imply that this one guy is the only person at fault. As I've said, there were already 4 people indicted for arson charges over this, none of whom have any connection to the boogaloos.

 

[tstorm823]

The issue was Trump was claiming it was Antifa, the FBI told us that was not the case, then the FBI tells us Boogs were involved.

We expect George Floyd protesters, we expect rioters and looters who take advantage, we expect people to be pissed off about the police violence, what we should not be forced to expect is the president making stuff up about Antifa and then it turns out to have been Boogs involved, not Antifa.

Why are you so determined to defend an ideology you argue against here vehemently?

 

[lil devils x]

But I never talked about Trump. And if I didn't point out what you originally said, it probably wouldn't have ever been changed. Will you at least admit that I was completely correct in that the portrayal of this latest indictment is being used to imply that the rioting and violence are entirely the fault of the right?

You said Antifa was involved. Trump was who claimed that. Of course you were not even remotely accurate in claiming that the protest, rioting and violence were ONLY the fault of the right. We made that pretty clear already here:

National Guard called into Minneapolis

https://www.fox9.com/news/minnesota-governor-activates-national-guard-to-restore-calm-amid-escalating-unrest-over-george-floyd-death After last night's riots burnt down parts of the city, the governor calls in the national guard to pick up the pieces and restore order.

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Police shoot (another) unarmed black man in the back 7 times

https://www.kenoshanews.com/news/local/watch-now-neighbors-man-shot-by-police-at-40th-street-and-28th-ave/article_f1adbd13-3a15-5cdd-bd4e-95113ca36de4.html In Kenosha Wisconsin, Jacob Blake had broken up a verbal altercation and was trying to leave in his car when police grabbed him and shot...

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Protest in Minneapolis

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/video/4566460-protesters-clash-with-minneapolis-police/ After 4 police officers killed a black man in the street, protesters took to the streets in Minneapolis in a BLM demonstration, with the cops coming in to crackdown on the protests, shooting them with tear...

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Ahmaud Arbery: Is this a strike against Citizen's Arrest, Gun Control, The Legal System, or All?

On February 23, 2020, a young man went on his usual run around his neighborhood. This neighborhood had a string of robberies, so when a ex police officer (Gregory McMichael) and his son (Travis McMichael) saw Arbery running, they grabbed their guns and jumped in their truck, chasing him down...

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Another Incident in Portland

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/30/us/portland-protest-fatal-shooting/index.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/ @Revnak Hey Rev! Are you ok? You have any local knowledge that could give us more context on this?

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Feds are reportedly abducting people in portland

It sounds like the feds are driving around in unmarked vans grabbing random protesters. So this is something going on in a country where it really shouldn't be happening. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/17/portland-protests-federal-arrests/ So that's fun.

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Armed civilian, 17, shoots 2 dead during Kenosha happening

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/26/jacob-blake-kenosha-police-protests/ https://www.wsj.com/articles/two-dead-in-kenosha-shooting-police-say-11598436656 I can provide youtube clips of the event, but it's raw and graphic. Ask in private and I can send them, if you can't find it...

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hundreds of people on Twitter and the comments sections of these articles acting as if NONE of the violence can be blamed on BLM, antifa, etc. And none of these articles are taking time to mention the earlier indictments, or to correct the comments under these articles.

As you can see, this has been discussed EXTENSIVELY.

 

[Houseman]

You said Antifa was involved.

No he didn't.

What he said was " However, I'm seeing hundreds of people on Twitter and the comments sections of these articles acting as if NONE of the violence can be blamed on BLM, antifa, etc. "

Of course you were not even remotely accurate in claiming that the protest, rioting and violence were the fault of the right.

He didn't claim that either.

What he said was " Will you at least admit that I was completely correct in that the portrayal of this latest indictment is being used to imply that the rioting and violence are entirely the fault of the right? "

 

[lil devils x]

Why are you so determined to defend an ideology you argue against here vehemently?

"Ideologically, antifa in the United States sees itself as the successor to anti-Nazi activists of the 1930s. European activist groups that originally organized to oppose World War II-era fascist dictatorships re-emerged in the 1970s and 1980s to oppose white supremacy and skinheads, eventually spreading to the United States.[78] "

Modern antifa politics can be traced to opposition to the infiltration of Britain's punk scene by white power skinheads in the 1970s and 1980s, and the emergence of neo-Nazism in Germany following the fall of the Berlin Wall.[35] In Germany, young leftists, including anarchists and punk fans, renewed the practice of street-level anti-fascism.[35] Columnist Peter Beinart writes that "in the late '80s, left-wing punk fans in the United States began following suit, though they initially called their groups Anti-Racist Action (ARA) on the theory that Americans would be more familiar with fighting racism than they would be with fighting fascism."[35]

"Dartmouth College historian Mark Bray, author of Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Handbook, credits the ARA as the precursor of modern antifa groups in the United States.[22] In the late 1980s and 1990s, ARA activists toured with popular punk rock and skinhead bands in order to prevent Klansmen, neo-Nazis and other assorted white supremacists from recruiting.[35][81][82] Their motto was "We go where they go" by which they meant that they would confront far-right activists in concerts and actively remove their materials from public places.[67] In 2002, the ARA disrupted a speech in Pennsylvania by Matthew F. Hale, the head of the white supremacist group World Church of the Creator, resulting in a fight and 25 arrests.[35] In 2007, Rose City Antifa, likely the first group to utilize the name antifa, was formed in Portland, Oregon.[11][21][83] Other antifa groups in the United States have other genealogies. In Minneapolis, Minnesota, a group called the Baldies was formed in 1987 with the intent to fight neo-Nazi groups directly.[56] In 2013, the "most radical" chapters of the ARA formed the Torch Antifa Network[84] which has chapters throughout the United States.[85] Other antifa groups are a part of different associations such as NYC Antifa or operate independently.[86]"

Antifa (United States) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

* rolls eyes* Antifa =\= anarchists even though they look the same wearing all black. Although there are some anarchists who agree with Antifa, Not all Antifa agree with Anarchists. Quit being that guy who says " all those people look the same so they must be the same" . Yes, some Antifa members are violent, but not all Antifa members are violent. Some Antifa just provide first aid and water and try to protect others at protests. They certainly are not a militia. They are anti Racists/ Anti Nazis for the most part. They do believe that it takes violence to stop the Nazis or Nazis will harm/ kill people and they are not wrong in that belief.